Would you want the Bills to trade a high pick for Julio Jones and make him the highest paid WR?

[formerlyofCtown]

2 minutes ago, shane nelson said:

Nope, we need to acquire building blocks not high priced finishing touches.  Way too many gaps at this stage of the "process" 

I dont think so.  I dont think McBeane feels totally that way either.  I suspect they already have an idea of who they can get and apperantly the outlook on FA and the draft is good for all needs other than what they would like at WR.

 

Teams cant talk to players or their agents, but the NFL cant tell the players not to hang out and talk.

[CuddyDark]

No. I'd rather we not allow Beane to trade for any receiver given he was offering twice what the Raiders paid for AB.

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, HansLanda said:

The price would not have to be a 1st round pick. 3rd and 5th for AB set the market to some extent. I have no issues paying JJ if comp we would send to ATL is a 3rd this and next year. 

Nope. It only set the market for a WR who quit on his team, didn’t show up for meetings, and publically trashed his QB and GM not to mention various off field stuff.  Most importantly one who is  coming from a team with zero leverage in negotiations where the other team knows they need to get rid of him and had few options. Very different situation here.

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

No. I'd rather we not allow Beane to trade for any receiver given he was offering twice what the Raiders paid for AB.

Where did you see what he offered? I’ve only seen speculation so far. 

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

So we now know the Bills are willing to take a big swing on trading for a big time WR. The next two primo WRs who are ready to get paid (i.e. their teams need to determine if they are going to break the bank) are Julio Jones and Michael Thomas. I don’t think Thomas is an option because if the Saints can’t come to an agreement they can tag him next year. The Saints are also an immediate contender with a small window and won’t want to mess with Brees’ favorite target. 

 

Julio on the other hand wants a new contract and the Falcons are in a weird spot. Matt Ryan has a gigantic deal and the team hasn’t been good since they went to the SB. They also drafted a WR in the 1st last year. The trade comp would be higher than it would have been for AB because the Steelers had  no leverage and he clearly tanked his value. Julio’s value is higher. So you are probably looking at a 1st. Let’s say we get Julio and a 4th from Atlanta for pick 9. But we also then need to make him the highest paid WR and beat the 30 mill gtd over the next 3 years that AB just got, total contract max 54 mill. 

 

He just turned 30 last month. Do you do it? 

They were good in 2017, besting the Rams in LA in the postseason and just falling one play short in Philly from making it to the NFC championship game. 

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Nope. It only set the market for a WR who quit on his team, didn’t show up for meetings, and publically trashed his QB and GM not to mention various off field stuff.  Most importantly one who is  coming from a team with zero leverage in negotiations where the other team knows they need to get rid of him and had few options. Very different situation here.

Where did you see what he offered? I’ve only seen speculation so far. 

Call it what you will but Beane was offering a trade of firsts (moving from 9 to 20) and a 3rd. It's the dumbest trade in history and we got lucky AB didn't want to play for us.

[SoCal Deek]

My concern is whether AB ‘not wanting to play for us’ will have an impact on other free agents. If a WR isn’t in the cards, that means we’re down to shopping in the O Line aisle of the store. Better hope there’s some product still left on the shelves when we get there.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

So we now know the Bills are willing to take a big swing on trading for a big time WR. The next two primo WRs who are ready to get paid (i.e. their teams need to determine if they are going to break the bank) are Julio Jones and Michael Thomas. I don’t think Thomas is an option because if the Saints can’t come to an agreement they can tag him next year. The Saints are also an immediate contender with a small window and won’t want to mess with Brees’ favorite target. 

 

Julio on the other hand wants a new contract and the Falcons are in a weird spot. Matt Ryan has a gigantic deal and the team hasn’t been good since they went to the SB. They also drafted a WR in the 1st last year. The trade comp would be higher than it would have been for AB because the Steelers had  no leverage and he clearly tanked his value. Julio’s value is higher. So you are probably looking at a 1st. Let’s say we get Julio and a 4th from Atlanta for pick 9. But we also then need to make him the highest paid WR and beat the 30 mill gtd over the next 3 years that AB just got, total contract max 54 mill. 

 

He just turned 30 last month. Do you do it? 

 

 

Absolutely.

 

And Atlanta should do it.

 

The model is what New Orleans has done.

 

The Saints got rid of big name pass catchers in Graham and Cooks because the super-experienced Drew Brees didn't need an arsenal of weapons at WR to pick apart defenses anymore.    It was overkill and they could apply that dough elsewhere.

 

Ryan is entering that age/experience range.     And Jones is definitely overkill because the best part of Julio's game is the deep ball and Ryan can't get the ball deep to him anymore.

 

Sure, Julio can do it all so he lead the NFL in receiving yardage anyhow......... but could Ryan put up similar production with Ridley as his #1 and a cast of lesser players the way Brees has?   I think so and in the process that would save them $17M in cap space because Julio is GOING to get paid this offseason or he will sit out.

 

On the flip side.........a young QB NEEDS those weapons.    It allows them to produce at a high level even if they don't have the savvy and field vision/understanding that vets like Brees and Brady have.    Allen and Jones would be a great match.    And Julio is all-process.  He'd be great in Buffalo, IMO.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Call it what you will but Beane was offering a trade of firsts (moving from 9 to 20) and a 3rd. It's the dumbest trade in history and we got lucky AB didn't want to play for us.

 

Source?

 

I have not heard that.  Anywhere

 

[CuddyDark]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Source?

 

I have not heard that.  Anywhere

 

The Steelers leaked the entire trade. People here believe what they want. Whatever makes them happy. Fine. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

The Steelers leaked the entire trade. People here believe what they want. Whatever makes them happy. Fine. 

 

Here's my source from that leak.  " According to NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, the Bills had been “closing in on a deal” to acquire Brown for unspecified compensation, filling an obvious team need for receiving help. "

What is your source sharing that "leak" of the compensation? 

 

It's not a question of "people can believe what they want", it's a question of what you heard where.  Back it up please.

 

 

[Marv's Neighbor]

NO!  Lead us not into Salary Cap Hell again.

[CuddyDark]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Here's my source from that leak.  " According to NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, the Bills had been “closing in on a deal” to acquire Brown for unspecified compensation, filling an obvious team need for receiving help. "

What is your source sharing that "leak" of the compensation? 

 

It's not a question of "people can believe what they want", it's a question of what you heard where.  Back it up please.

 

 

Keep digging.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Keep digging.

 

Do not post gouge and then tell people who ask for your source that THEY can keep digging.  If you can post the rumor, you can post the source.

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloFan68]

I would rather build through the draft.  If we pass on Metcalf & Harry in the first & go O-line or TE, I see us grabbing a WR like Riley Ridley or Whiteside.  The more I look at Whiteside the more Like him.  Anthony Johnson - Buffalo would be another WR for later.  

 

Let’s Go Buffalo!!!!!

Edited March 10, 2019 by BuffaloFan68
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[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do not post gouge and then tell people who ask for your source that THEY can keep digging.  If you can post the rumor, you can post the source.

 

 

 

 

 

I can post whatever I want. Just because you don't like what I post doesn't mean I can't post it. If you want the source search for it. It's not hard to find.

[stuvian]

Jones is a great player and it's very exciting to hear big names and big $ thrown around. Still we should be able to draft a very good WR who can grow with Allen his whole career

[DasNootz]

We are more than one player away.  He’s also had durability issues. I’d rather roll the dice with a draft pick and keep the money for a known OL, than put both money and draft pick into WR (albeit a very good one). 

[aceman_16]

I wouldn't do it. I think Buffalo needs to slide all their chips in for the best OL possible. I also think that an amazing OL makes for a better WR corps, better running game as well as better QB play.

 

PS I know these two things are not mutually exclusive....I just wouldn't trade an high costed asset for a 30+ year old expensive WR.

Edited March 10, 2019 by aceman_16

[CuddyDark]

Just now, aceman_16 said:

I wouldn't do it. I think Buffalo needs to slide all their chips in for the best OL possible. I also think that an amazing OL makes for a better QR corps, better running game as well as better QB play.

 

PS I know these two things are not mutually exclusive....I just wouldn't trade an high costed asset for a 30+ year old expensive WR.

They just need to draft better overall. Develop their own talent. I haven't seen many teams cheat their way to the top by signing a bunch of FA. That is not how you win.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Sabres way of slow playing things seems to be the way to go.?

 

Yes tanking went so well. We went from a team that was average to a team that is terrible.

 

This offseason is going to show how stupid your comment is.

 

 

[The_Dude]

Trade for a dude on the wrong side of 30 and give extra cheddar? Naw. No. Hell no. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

I can post whatever I want. Just because you don't like what I post doesn't mean I can't post it. If you want the source search for it. It's not hard to find.

 

Um......

[NewEra]

No

[BarleyNY]

The only thing that would prevent me from making the proposed trade is Julio’s age.  If he was 27 I’d be all for it.  As it stands, no.

[vorpma]

48 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Source?

 

I have not heard that.  Anywhere

 

Great response - man we have some you know what getting thrown around regarding this "story!"

41 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Keep digging.

Go away!

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, stuvian said:

Jones is a great player and it's very exciting to hear big names and big $ thrown around. Still we should be able to draft a very good WR who can grow with Allen his whole career

 

Already got one of those!

 

Zay Jones.   Dude was amazing at the Senior Bowl....tested well in the draft process........and caught 200 passes per year in college.?

 

Every year there are 20 WR in the draft who looked good in college and great on paper leading up to the draft.  

 

But there is a reason why there are only a handful of receivers at the elite level of Julio and AB. 

 

The clock is ticking for McBeane.

 

Even if The Pegs decide to continue into a year 4 or 5 with them "The Process" still has to sell in the locker room to work and more mediocrity this year would be a kick in the nutz to processing.

[vorpma]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Already got one of those!

 

Zay Jones.   Dude was amazing at the Senior Bowl....tested well in the draft process........and caught 200 passes per year in college.?

 

Every year there are 20 WR in the draft who looked good in college and great on paper leading up to the draft.  

 

But there is a reason why there are only a handful of receivers at the elite level of Julio and AB. 

 

The clock is ticking for McBeane.

 

Even if The Pegs decide to continue into a year 4 or 5 with them "The Process" still has to sell in the locker room to work and more mediocrity this year would be a kick in the nutz to processing.

Typical response!

[McBean]

100% yes.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Typical response!

 

 

I know, I know.........2019 is ONLY the 20th anniversary of the last time the Bills were a contender in the AFC........but I'm impatient and dammit I am strongly considering writing the front office a letter to express my disappointment if it doesn't go well this year.     

[Thurman#1]

I could easily be wrong on this, but Jones seems to take a lot more punishment than Brown. 

 

I think he's going to start wearing out. Soon.

 

No thanks.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I would trade for Jones or AJ Green. Absolutely. No question about it. I would have also loved it had the Brown deal gone through.

[Thurman#1]

51 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

I can post whatever I want. Just because you don't like what I post doesn't mean I can't post it. If you want the source search for it. It's not hard to find.

 

 

He's a mod. And he's right, you're in the wrong here.

 

If you want your posts believed, back them up. If you can't, they generally won't be believed.

 

It's not our job to check your (or anyone's) unsubstantiated rumors. "Check it yourself" is a common dodge for people who can't back things up. If I were to check every post where people say that and won't back it up, probably around 20% would turn out to be correct.

Edited March 10, 2019 by Thurman#1

[vorpma]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I know, I know.........2019 is ONLY the 20th anniversary of the last time the Bills were a contender in the AFC........but I'm impatient and dammit I am strongly considering writing the front office a letter to express my disappointment if it doesn't go well this year.     

So you are holding the 20 year failure of the Buffalo Bills organization on the last two years? You are all over it and the fan of the year! 

Just now, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

He's a mod. And he's right, you're in the wrong here.

 

If you want your posts believed, back them up. If you can't, they generally won't be believed.

Right on, but facts will never play a role in many posts seen on TBD!

[thurst44]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

No. We are far from a contender , we need to keep our assets and work the draft and free agency.

 

 

Frankly, I'm a bit tired of this mentality. They had almost the #1 defense last year, a lot of people at key positions heading towards their prime, and a lot of money to spend in free agency. If they get sign three good o-linemen, trade for Julio, and sign a pass rusher (this is before the draft -- where at worse we gave up a pick), why can't they be a contender this year? Teams make fast jumps all the time in this league.

6 hours ago, ALF said:

OL first ,  see more progress from Allen before a huge WR move (like Sammy)

I'd argue that a great WR could help Allen progress. They can pay Julio and still easily have enough cap space to pick up linemen (and probably a few more players), and still have money going forward to extend White, Milano, Edmunds, Allen, etc. if/when the times come.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Source?

 

I have not heard that.  Anywhere

 

 

 

It was on here, as a rumor. Someone credited it to Aditi Kinkhabwala's twitter, but when I checked her feed yesterday, nothing remotely like that was there. It was probably started on here. But CuddyDark has added a third-rounder to what was talked about on these boards. What was reported (sourcelessly) on the thread I was reading yesterday was only a switch of the 1sts.

 

There's never even been a legitimate source saying they came to final terms, so it looks like another baseless rumor.

 

Edited March 10, 2019 by Thurman#1

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

contract. age. no.

 

I'm sure they can find a younger and more affordable wr through either the draft or fa this off season.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

There is no way Julio Jones nets a 1st because the only team stupid enough to do that just got Antonio Brown, maybe they also shell over a 1st and do that deal also but if AB only nets a 3rd and 5th being the true best WR in football I can't see Jones going for more just because of leverage no way. If the deal was not the exact same as AB I'm letting someone else take that bait, he's a great player but does not put up nearly the numbers that Brown does and rarely puts up double digit TD but that's just my opinion.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

1 hour ago, CuddyDark said:

I can post whatever I want. Just because you don't like what I post doesn't mean I can't post it. If you want the source search for it. It's not hard to find.

 

45 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Um......

 

17 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

He's a mod. And he's right, you're in the wrong here.

 

If you want your posts believed, back them up. If you can't, they generally won't be believed.

 

A link to a rumor is not proof of anything.

 

As for the moderator thing.........not linking is not a fine-able offense per TOS........99% of what is said on here is in fact just one persons opinion and worth about as much as anything Jason LaCanfora says............though it bears note that moderators can also overstep TOS boundaries and penalize or ban people for disagreeing with their takes so proceed with caution Cuddy.  

[Orlando Tim]

6 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I don’t see him leaving Atlanta. Julio is one of Arthur Blanks and Thomas Dimitrofs  guys. The Julio trade was Dimitrofs first move as a GM.  I could go either way. Julio is an amazing wide receiver. He has had some great games playing in the cold. He is the ultimate ‘throw it up and have him go get it’ receiver. 

The reasons not to do it-

Julio is hurt a lot and misses a ton of practice time. This isn’t as big a deal when you have an established relationship and chemistry with your quarterback. In Buffalo it could prove a bigger issue.

Julio has a very tough time in the red zone making touchdown catches.

If Buffalo can make a ton of moves in FA and not need as much team building through draft, I would be ok with giving up a first for him. 

All of this is so true so i do not think making him highest paid on a 4 year deal makes sense. If he could do 4 years 48 million maybe but i think he gets more now

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

 

A link to a rumor is not proof of anything.

 

As for the moderator thing.........not linking is not a fine-able offense per TOS........99% of what is said on here is in fact just one persons opinion and worth about as much as anything Jason LaCanfora says............though it bears note that moderators can also overstep TOS boundaries and penalize or ban people for disagreeing with their takes so proceed with caution Cuddy.  

 

 

It's "not a fineable offense"? Yeah, which offenses are fineable? I've yet to be charged a penny for anything here.

 

And yeah, a link to a rumor is not proof of anything. On the other hand, a link to a journalist with a source has some value.

 

But an inability to link to anything ....

 

People's opinions here are worth as much as LaCanfora? Yeah, um, right.

 

When people on here say they have facts and can't back it up and that goes on and on it all becomes a game of chinese whispers. Don't back up your rumor and you won't be believed, and reasonably so. Don't have anything to back it up? Own that. It raises the level of the discussions here vastly when things are backed up with links.