Would you want the Bills to trade a high pick for Julio Jones and make him the highest paid WR?

[Pete]

We do not need to wreck our salary cap and blow draft picks for a 30 year old WR.  If we were on cusp of winning Super Bowl, sure.  Instead you trade down from 9, draft DK, and draft WR with additional selection(deebo, Harmon, Harry, Isabella, etc), add 2 starting WR

and be set next 5 years with rookie contracts on books.  If they perform great- comp picks if we don’t re-sign

[Marv's Neighbor]

Doug Whaley would approve of this.  We're just now finally in position where we have some cap flexibility.  Don't want to go back to where we were.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I hear what some are saying about cap flexibility. But, if you can get this guy for something like Brown went for you should do it. This is a guy who has averaged over 100 yds a game for the last 5 yrs. Just think of how many games would have been impacted positively this past season with this guy in tow. For Allen sake do it if possible.

[DefenseWins]

If we were willing to swap 1st rd picks with Pittsburgh for AB, why not make a similar offer to Cinci for Green. Assuming at #9 only two QB's are off the board. With Green becoming a FA in 2020 anyway, how likely are they to wanna have to negotiate a new contract with Green when he is 31? This could be their chance to draft the successor to Dalton. Maybe swap 1st's with an extra 3rd to Cinci for Green and we renegotiate Green's contract now?

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/a.j.-green-7719/market-value/

 

 

Edited March 10, 2019 by DefenseWins

[BillsFanForever19]

In a vacuum - probably not. However given:

 

- The amount of money that they have that must be used.

 

- The glaring need for at least one stud WR.

 

- The large amount of Offensive Lineman worth taking at #9 in the First Round vs. the small amount (maybe 1?) of WR's worth taking at #9.

 

- The large amount of decent FA Offensive Lineman that could be had with no compensation vs. almost no WR's.

 

A trade is almost neccessary to upgrade our WR core in a substantial way. In this case, it lines up in a way that if it were to ever happen - now would be the time.

Edited March 10, 2019 by BillsFanForever19

[Tcali]

JJ is too old for the Bills situation.If Allen was a proven commodity and we were on the verge of contending I would say yes for a 2-3 yr deal .

I still think the Bills are a mess...and that money would be thrown down the toilet with our mediocre O line and no solid proof that Allen can be consistently accurate.

But little Danny will likely give him a deal.

[RaoulDuke79]

I'd prefer a younger receiver like JuJu at this point or even Michel Thomas. If we were a piece or two away from making a legitimate run I'd say sure to Julio, but again I think by the time we're there he'll be in the waning stage of his career.

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I'd prefer a younger receiver like JuJu at this point or even Michel Thomas. If we were a piece or two away from making a legitimate run I'd say sure to Julio, but again I think by the time we're there he'll be in the waning stage of his career.

Obviously but those guys wouldn’t be available. I only provided Julio as a reference as to why he could be. It’s been rumored for awhile. 

11 minutes ago, Tcali said:

JJ is too old for the Bills situation.If Allen was a proven commodity and we were on the verge of contending I would say yes for a 2-3 yr deal .

I still think the Bills are a mess...and that money would be thrown down the toilet with our mediocre O line and no solid proof that Allen can be consistently accurate.

But little Danny will likely give him a deal.

To me it doesn’t matter how close they are to contending. We truly do not know how close they are. It’s not like I’m suggesting it’s either this OR upgrade the OL. They would not be “wrecking the cap” either. Its one big contract for an offensive weapon. I guess it’s the chicken-egg thing. I believe Julio would help Josh develop. I definitely don’t believe we would need to wait until he develops to invest in WR. 

Edited March 10, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[IgotBILLStopay]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

So we now know the Bills are willing to take a big swing on trading for a big time WR. The next two primo WRs who are ready to get paid (i.e. their teams need to determine if they are going to break the bank) are Julio Jones and Michael Thomas. I don’t think Thomas is an option because if the Saints can’t come to an agreement they can tag him next year. The Saints are also an immediate contender with a small window and won’t want to mess with Brees’ favorite target. 

 

Julio on the other hand wants a new contract and the Falcons are in a weird spot. Matt Ryan has a gigantic deal and the team hasn’t been good since they went to the SB. They also drafted a WR in the 1st last year. The trade comp would be higher than it would have been for AB because the Steelers had  no leverage and he clearly tanked his value. Julio’s value is higher. So you are probably looking at a 1st. Let’s say we get Julio and a 4th from Atlanta for pick 9. But we also then need to make him the highest paid WR and beat the 30 mill gtd over the next 3 years that AB just got, total contract max 54 mill. 

 

He just turned 30 last month. Do you do it? 

I would do it for our 2nd rounder instead of first ( and not get a pick back). 

[C.Biscuit97]

34 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

Doug Whaley would approve of this.  We're just now finally in position where we have some cap flexibility.  Don't want to go back to where we were.

Yeah, it’s crazy.  When you have talented football players, they cost money.  Crazy. 

 

Now, some fans are praising Beane for not making a trade. Our standards are so low.

 

also, why would Atlanta make this trade unless they think Jones is washed?

Edited March 10, 2019 by C.Biscuit97

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, it’s crazy.  When you have talented football players, they cost money.  Crazy. 

 

Now, some fans are praising Beane for not making a trade. Our standards are so low.

 

also, why would Atlanta make this trade unless they think Jones is washed?

 

Why would the Steelers make this trade then?

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Why would the Steelers make this trade then?

Are you being serious Doc? You are smarter than this.  AB is a nut job and was trying to single handedly blow up the Steelers. Jones is a low key dude who wants to get paid by the Falcons.  They couldn’t be more different. 

[Wayne Cubed]

13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, it’s crazy.  When you have talented football players, they cost money.  Crazy. 

 

Now, some fans are praising Beane for not making a trade. Our standards are so low.

 

also, why would Atlanta make this trade unless they think Jones is washed?

 

I think Atlanta makes this trade because they just drafted Ridley, who has looked pretty good. Also they realize Ryan has only a few years left and they need to reload. Draft picks would help that. I mean look what Oakland did.... Cooper, a 3rd and a 5th for Brown and a 1st. Not bad for Oakland and they would have ended up paying Cooper just about what they are going to pay Brown.

 

I'm not sure why some fans think this will "wreck" the salary cap. They have a QB on the cheap for 4 more years. The biggest salary on the books is Star. They have to spend the money, just drafting players won't do that.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

I think Atlanta makes this trade because they just drafted Ridley, who has looked pretty good. Also they realize Ryan has only a few years left and they need to reload. Draft picks would help that. I mean look what Oakland did.... Cooper, a 3rd and a 5th for Brown and a 1st. Not bad for Oakland and they would have ended up paying Cooper just about what they are going to pay Brown.

 

I'm not sure why some fans think this will "wreck" the salary cap. They have a QB on the cheap for 4 more years. The biggest salary on the books is Star. They have to spend the money, just drafting players won't do that.

The Bills have like $120M of space in 2020 with only Hughes and Shady up I think. They should be overspending at this point while they have Allen on a rookie deal. This is the time to spend freely. 

[Wayne Cubed]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Bills have like $120M of space in 2020 with only Hughes and Shady up I think. They should be overspending at this point while they have Allen on a rookie deal. This is the time to spend freely. 

 

Exactly, this is the time to over spend. Like the Rams are doing. Like the Bears are doing. You load up and make runs while you've got a cheap QB.

[Tcali]

35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Obviously but those guys wouldn’t be available. I only provided Julio as a reference as to why he could be. It’s been rumored for awhile. 

To me it doesn’t matter how close they are to contending. We truly do not know how close they are. It’s not like I’m suggesting it’s either this OR upgrade the OL. They would not be “wrecking the cap” either. Its one big contract for an offensive weapon. I guess it’s the chicken-egg thing. I believe Julio would help Josh develop. I definitely don’t believe we would need to wait until he develops to invest in WR. 

OK.You do make good points there.-

[quinnearlysghost88]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Unlike Brown, I'd do a deal for Julio.  As good as if not better player and infinitely better person. 

 

Likewise for Hopkins.

Julio went to Alabamaa and plays 9 games in a dome and two games in the south every single year. Idk how he stacks up as a cold-weather wr. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Exactly, this is the time to over spend. Like the Rams are doing. Like the Bears are doing. You load up and make runs while you've got a cheap QB.

It is irresponsible not to overspend at the moment. I know people won’t like hearing it but it’s the truth. When Tre, Allen, etc... start getting market value contracts you can’t do it. Now is when you try to overpay to build up your talent. It is exactly like those teams that you allude to.

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Are you being serious Doc? You are smarter than this.  AB is a nut job and was trying to single handedly blow up the Steelers. Jones is a low key dude who wants to get paid by the Falcons.  They couldn’t be more different. 

LOL!  I don't think you realize what you just did.

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

I think Atlanta makes this trade because they just drafted Ridley, who has looked pretty good. Also they realize Ryan has only a few years left and they need to reload. Draft picks would help that. I mean look what Oakland did.... Cooper, a 3rd and a 5th for Brown and a 1st. Not bad for Oakland and they would have ended up paying Cooper just about what they are going to pay Brown.

 

I'm not sure why some fans think this will "wreck" the salary cap. They have a QB on the cheap for 4 more years. The biggest salary on the books is Star. They have to spend the money, just drafting players won't do that.

Sorry Wayne, but this makes no sense.  Ridley looks good because the Falcons have one of the best receivers across from hkm who draws a ton of coverage.  Also, Ryan has shown he is an elite QB who can just carry a team single handedly.  How would it makes sense to trade the best player on the team at the end of Ryan’s prime?  I would riot if I was a Falcons fan.

 

but yes, if the Falcons were dumb enough to make this move, I would take Julio and pay him a new contract.  He makes everything on your offense better simply with his presence. 

[Doc]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

It is irresponsible not to overspend at the moment. I know people won’t like hearing it but it’s the truth. When Tre, Allen, etc... start getting market value contracts you can’t do it. Now is when you try to overpay to build up your talent. It is exactly like those teams that you allude to.

 

Sure, overspend.  But not on nut jobs who try to single handedly blow up one of the best franchises.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Julio went to Alabamaa and plays 9 games in a dome and two games in the south every single year. Idk how he stacks up as a cold-weather wr. 

What is a cold weather WR? I’m not trying to be rude I just don’t see the elements effecting them. He’s a big bodied guy with a massive catch radius. I’m not sure how he will be a different guy over the 3 cold games a year?

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Sure, overspend.  But not on nut jobs who try to single handedly blow up one of the best franchises.

Totally fair

 

I’m not even suggesting particular players. I’m more responding to the people that are concerned about spending too much on someone. I’m suggesting the opposite. If you like a guy do what it takes to get him. You have no concerns about the cap.

[Marv's Neighbor]

30 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, it’s crazy.  When you have talented football players, they cost money.  Crazy. 

 

Now, some fans are praising Beane for not making a trade. Our standards are so low.

 

also, why would Atlanta make this trade unless they think Jones is washed?

Jones has a $13 mil + cap number.   likely just a numbers casualty.  Still not saying we should go for him.

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Julio went to Alabamaa and plays 9 games in a dome and two games in the south every single year. Idk how he stacks up as a cold-weather wr. 

Is this a thing? I’ve never heard anyone referred to as a cold or warm weather WR. Either you can play the position or you can’t. And the Bills play plenty of warm weather games even if it was a thing. 

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Sorry Wayne, but this makes no sense.  Ridley looks good because the Falcons have one of the best receivers across from hkm who draws a ton of coverage.  Also, Ryan has shown he is an elite QB who can just carry a team single handedly.  How would it makes sense to trade the best player on the team at the end of Ryan’s prime?  I would riot if I was a Falcons fan.

 

but yes, if the Falcons were dumb enough to make this move, I would take Julio and pay him a new contract.  He makes everything on your offense better simply with his presence. 

 

I just don't think the Falcons are ready to pay what Julio wants, he's already sat out last season and he's the 9th highest paid WR. Not with Ryan on the books with a huge contract as well. With the Bills cap situation they should be overpaying for players, they need to. What Brown has just done has raised the price tag for Julio for the Falcons. If they could get another 1st and improve that team, it wouldn't be a ridiculous thing to do as much as Falcon fans would hate it. He's nearly through his prime and WR isn't a cornerstone of a franchise.

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It is irresponsible not to overspend at the moment. I know people won’t like hearing it but it’s the truth. When Tre, Allen, etc... start getting market value contracts you can’t do it. Now is when you try to overpay to build up your talent. It is exactly like those teams that you allude to.

I don’t think some fans understand how football windows work.  When you have a qb on a rookie deal, it’s your time to load up.  Then if your qb is good to get a big deal, you hope he is good enough to carry the team because you are going to have to unload talent.

 

i still have a ton questions about Allen but you need to load now because this is thecwindow for 2-3 years.  That’s why you need to make decisions on qbs being the long term answer after a few years.  It’s kinda crazy but that’s the business. Hard to be patient. 

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Sure, overspend.  But not on nut jobs who try to single handedly blow up one of the best franchises.

Yet, they tried and and the Bills/ Buffalo look like idiots.  I never wanted AB and it was stupid to even entertain it. So much for character!!!

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t think some fans understand how football windows work.  When you have a qb on a rookie deal, it’s your time to load up.  Then if your qb is good to get a big deal, you hope he is good enough to carry the team because you are going to have to unload talent.

 

i still have a ton questions about Allen but you need to load now because this is thecwindow for 2-3 years.  That’s why you need to make decisions on qbs being the long term answer after a few years.  It’s kinda crazy but that’s the business. Hard to be patient. 

Yet, they tried and and the Bills/ Buffalo look like idiots.  I never wanted AB and it was stupid to even entertain it. So much for character!!!

I think that Jameis and Mariota are the best current examples. What should those teams do? They can go the Dalton/Tannehill route or they can let them walk and hope to not draft the next Bortles. It’s tricky

[LABILLBACKER]

As much as I like Julio and his positive attitude I think it's more important to "stay the course" and keep building this offense with young players. Use your FA capability on OL and find a WR/TE in this draft. This looks like a loaded draft for this strategy. If Julio was 26-27 I'd say yes, but that ship has sailed. 

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that Jameis and Mariota are the best current examples. What should those teams do? They can go the Dalton/Tannehill route or they can let them walk and hope to not draft the next Bortles. It’s tricky

I know it’s kinda crazy.  You almost are better off if your qb looks like a stud or total bust.  If Allen looks like a Tannehill type, you have to draft a qb high before his 5th year option.

[Nextmanup]

You can bring in a huge name at WR, but if the guy throwing the ball is Josh Allen, your success is going to be limited.

 

As exhibit A, I submit trading up to get Sammy Watkins at a time when the QB of the team was EJ Manuel.

 

That didn't work either.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You can bring in a huge name at WR, but if the guy throwing the ball is Josh Allen, your success is going to be limited.

 

As exhibit A, I submit trading up to get Sammy Watkins at a time when the QB of the team was EJ Manuel.

 

That didn't work either.

 

 

Sammy did have 100 yard game from EJ though!

[BillsSB2020]

18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that Jameis and Mariota are the best current examples. What should those teams do? They can go the Dalton/Tannehill route or they can let them walk and hope to not draft the next Bortles. It’s tricky

I think Arians is gonna resurrect Jameis, but Vrabel is not gonna stake his claim to Mariota. I see them moving on from him. JMO.

 

The Dalton/Tannehill model is really the worst; guys that are good enough to not dump but not good enough to get over the hump.

 

That's why I want to surround JA with talent ASAP so we know what we have.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, BillsSB2020 said:

I think Arians is gonna resurrect Jameis, but Vrabel is not gonna stake his claim to Mariota. I see them moving on from him. JMO.

 

The Dalton/Tannehill model is really the worst; guys that are good enough to not dump but not good enough to get over the hump.

 

That's why I want to surround JA with talent ASAP so we know what we have.

It’s an insult to Dalton to compare him to RT.  Dalton has been much more successful than RT.

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You can bring in a huge name at WR, but if the guy throwing the ball is Josh Allen, your success is going to be limited.

 

As exhibit A, I submit trading up to get Sammy Watkins at a time when the QB of the team was EJ Manuel.

 

That didn't work either.

 

 

I’m not sure that’s an apt comparison. They gave up more for Watkins and most importantly he was a rookie. The whole point of this is to bring in a proven, top notch WR as the #1 and not to make a rookie absorb that role with a young QB. I do realize that your post is suggesting that you don’t think Josh will improve regardless of what is around him, which is something that no one knows (but I’d certainly like to see if he does, instead of surrounding him with crap). I’m pretty sure the team doesn’t share your opinion though otherwise they wouldn’t have drafted him. No one knows what he will be, yet. 

Edited March 10, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[BillsSB2020]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s an insult to Dalton to compare him to RT.  Dalton has been much more successful than RT.

This is true. I was just riffing off a post that I liked.

[LABILLBACKER]

32 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t think some fans understand how football windows work.  When you have a qb on a rookie deal, it’s your time to load up.  Then if your qb is good to get a big deal, you hope he is good enough to carry the team because you are going to have to unload talent.

 

i still have a ton questions about Allen but you need to load now because this is thecwindow for 2-3 years.  That’s why you need to make decisions on qbs being the long term answer after a few years.  It’s kinda crazy but that’s the business. Hard to be patient. 

Yet, they tried and and the Bills/ Buffalo look like idiots.  I never wanted AB and it was stupid to even entertain it. So much for character!!!

Well said and 100% accurate on both points. We're on the clock and we have 4 full seasons left to make a run before cap room becomes an issue. Going after someone who's personality would not allow him to be seen in Buffalo should've been obvious to Beane & Co.

[Doc]

16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yet, they tried and and the Bills/ Buffalo look like idiots.  I never wanted AB and it was stupid to even entertain it. So much for character!!!

 

We'll agree to disagree.  I have no problem with them exploring things and then backing out of a bad deal.  Again the problem was the premature report by Rapoport.  As for the Bills looking like idiots, like I told BIG BOY, grow a pair.

 

27 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You can bring in a huge name at WR, but if the guy throwing the ball is Josh Allen, your success is going to be limited.

 

As exhibit A, I submit trading up to get Sammy Watkins at a time when the QB of the team was EJ Manuel.

 

That didn't work either.

 

Foster wasn't limited by Allen.

[KGun12TD]

NO! Why would we want one of the best WRs in the league?

[whatdrought]

His injury history concerns me, but I would trade for him. I wouldn’t give a first though. I’d probably offer a swap of firsts and a second this year or sormthing along those lines.

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

His injury history concerns me, but I would trade for him. I wouldn’t give a first though. I’d probably offer a swap of firsts and a second this year or sormthing along those lines.

Well, then you’re not going to get him.