YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 So we now know the Bills are willing to take a big swing on trading for a big time WR. The next two primo WRs who are ready to get paid (i.e. their teams need to determine if they are going to break the bank) are Julio Jones and Michael Thomas. I don’t think Thomas is an option because if the Saints can’t come to an agreement they can tag him next year. The Saints are also an immediate contender with a small window and won’t want to mess with Brees’ favorite target. Julio on the other hand wants a new contract and the Falcons are in a weird spot. Matt Ryan has a gigantic deal and the team hasn’t been good since they went to the SB. They also drafted a WR in the 1st last year. The trade comp would be higher than it would have been for AB because the Steelers had no leverage and he clearly tanked his value. Julio’s value is higher. So you are probably looking at a 1st. Let’s say we get Julio and a 4th from Atlanta for pick 9. But we also then need to make him the highest paid WR and beat the 30 mill gtd over the next 3 years that AB just got, total contract max 54 mill. He just turned 30 last month. Do you do it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 No. We are far from a contender , we need to keep our assets and work the draft and free agency. 9 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 I say yes btw. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 OL first , see more progress from Allen before a huge WR move (like Sammy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, ALF said: OL first , see more progress from Allen before a huge WR move (like Sammy) They can still build the OL. And I think this move aids the progress from Allen. The Bills appear to believe adding a proven WR would be beneficial, which is the basis for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Tough call. I was never that big of an AB fan even before all the drama, but I would love to have Julio. I’d have to agree with Barbarian, we’re at least a year away from making this kind of a move. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They can still build the OL. And I think this move aids the progress from Allen. The Bills appear to believe adding a proven WR would be beneficial, which is the basis for this. That is a most tantalizing idea. If the Bills were considering trading Brown, then why not go after Jones? You are right, the Bills can do this and still improve the O-Line. The thing that makes me pause would be the asking price. I love where the Bills are in the draft, and I think we could use all of the draft picks we have. If Beane were to make a move like this, I could live with it. I have a lot of faith in our front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I don’t see him leaving Atlanta. Julio is one of Arthur Blanks and Thomas Dimitrofs guys. The Julio trade was Dimitrofs first move as a GM. I could go either way. Julio is an amazing wide receiver. He has had some great games playing in the cold. He is the ultimate ‘throw it up and have him go get it’ receiver. The reasons not to do it- Julio is hurt a lot and misses a ton of practice time. This isn’t as big a deal when you have an established relationship and chemistry with your quarterback. In Buffalo it could prove a bigger issue. Julio has a very tough time in the red zone making touchdown catches. If Buffalo can make a ton of moves in FA and not need as much team building through draft, I would be ok with giving up a first for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 It's a deep year for WRs in the draft, draft 1 or 2 of them and consider getting one of the quality slot receivers in FA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Magox said: It's a deep year for WRs in the draft, draft 1 or 2 of them and consider getting one of the quality slot receivers in FA. They still need do draft one either way. I’m just not a fan of bringing in a rookie and expecting him to flourish right away with a young QB as the #1 WR. They need to get a vet somehow who knows what he’s doing and can step right in to help Allen. Edited March 10, 2019 by YoloinOhio 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Not for 9.. Maybe 40.. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: They still need do draft one either way. I’m just not a fan of bringing in a rookie and expecting him to flourish right away with a young QB as the #1 WR. They need to get a vet somehow who knows what he’s doing and can step right in to help Allen. I get it and I'm not opposed to trading for Julio but the #9 for a 30 year old? I'm not too keen on that. If I knew we could get 4 elite years of football then I would be for it, but its risky. Over the past month I have become very impressed with the receivers that are available via the draft and I think the Bill's should draft a couple of them in the first 4 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Not for 9.. Maybe 40.. That would be great. I’m not sure if that gets it done, though. They don’t have a reason to trade him but they could improve the team overall if they did. They aren’t a contender right now with that roster. Edited March 10, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 This is a hypothetical, yes? AFAIK, Jones has not demanded a trade. Anyway, while Jones is not a head case like Brown, I just don’t want to see the Bills in cap hell by shooting their load on a 30 year old player. If we were one player away from being a Superbowl contender, maybe. Otherwise, build thru the draft. JMO . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, The Senator said: This is a hypothetical, yes? AFAIK, Jones has not demanded a trade. Anyway, while Jones is not a head case like Brown, I just don’t want to see the Bills in cap hell by shooting their load on a 30 year old player. If we were one player away from being a Superbowl contender, maybe. Otherwise, build thru the draft. JMO . He hasn’t demanded a trade. He’s demanded a new contract. I would bring up AJ Green too, but he’s said he’s ok with his deal. Not as much reason for Cincy to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilmann Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I’m intrigued by the idea of it but I want to see how free agency unfolds first. Let’s say we do land Paradis and Saffold then I’d be a little more comfortable doing this but if free agency stinks then no since we need to protect Allen first and foremost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Can’t see how Julio would ever want to come to Buffalo. Leave Atlanta where he’s been his whole career to come to a rebuilding team with an unproven rookie QB? And we haven’t even discussed comfort of his dome versus playing outside in ice cold/snowy Buff. But I suppose money talks... AJ Green on the other hand... Buff is not a far departure from Cincy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I would. A proven top WR will help with Allen’s progress. Be good to have that big contract coming to an end in a few years when we gotta think about paying Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He hasn’t demanded a trade. He’s demanded a new contract. Atlanta should give him one. I’m not a big fan of players who don’t honor their contracts, but his stats prove he deserves more. He’s in the final year of the current one, yes? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Senator said: Atlanta should give him one. I’m not a big fan of players who don’t honor their contracts, but his stats prove he deserves more. He’s in the final year of the current one, yes? . He has 2 years left. He was already holding out last year when he had 3 years left because he was the 9th highest paid WR. This new AB deal is going to make it worse. Plus Tyreek Hill is about to get paid. The falcons moved some money around last year and converted some to signing bonus so he’d come to camp, and promised they would address a new deal this year. The question is where is this team and would they rather get a high pick in return and not pay him based on their performance the last couple years? They are going backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Senator said: Atlanta should give him one. I’m not a big fan of players who don’t honor their contracts, but his stats prove he deserves more. He’s in the final year of the current one, yes? He's got two years left but pry wants an extension that pays him an average salary on par with the top NFL WR's. They may not be able to afford it as they're only 6.7 million under the cap right now with Matt Ryan taking up a good chunk of cap space in the coming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, Magox said: I get it and I'm not opposed to trading for Julio but the #9 for a 30 year old? I'm not too keen on that. If I knew we could get 4 elite years of football then I would be for it, but its risky. Over the past month I have become very impressed with the receivers that are available via the draft and I think the Bill's should draft a couple of them in the first 4 rounds. We could still draft a decent WR in the 2nd/3rd round. Same goes for an o-lineman assuming we sign one in free agency. I wouldn't mind the move because of how much it would help Allen's development having a big and elite target to throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: He's got two years left but pry wants an extension that pays him an average salary on par with the top NFL WR's. They may not be able to afford it as they're only 6.7 million under the cap right now with Matt Ryan taking up a good chunk of cap space in the coming years. But, for now, it’s still a hypothetical. If Atlanta starts shopping him around, I guess we’ll see if Beane is interested. My opinion, and it’s just my opinion, is no. It’s a huge chunk of money to tie up on one player, and I’m not in favor of trading high draft picks for aging athletes. He’ll be 31 next February, and I’d fear that once he get’s that huge deal, his performance will begin to drop off. If we were just one player away, maybe. But I’m with Barbarian and Rico - we’re more than one player and one year away. JMO . Edited March 10, 2019 by The Senator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He has 2 years left. He was already holding out last year when he had 3 years left because he was the 9th highest paid WR. This new AB deal is going to make it worse. Plus Tyreek Hill is about to get paid. The falcons moved some money around last year and converted some to signing bonus so he’d come to camp, and promised they would address a new deal this year. The question is where is this team and would they rather get a high pick in return and not pay him based on their performance the last couple years? They are going backwards. Thanks Yolo - you obviously know more about the situation there than I do. If the Falcons start shopping him around, I guess we’ll see what Beane does. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, The Senator said: But, for now, it’s still a hypothetical. If Atlanta starts shopping him around, I guess we’ll see if Beane is interested. My opinion, and it’s just my opinion, is no. It’s a huge chunk of money to tie up on one player, and I’m not in favor of trading high draft picks for aging athletes. He’ll be 31 next February, and I’d fear that once he get’s that huge deal, his performance will begin to drop off. If we were just one player away, maybe. But I’m with Barbarian and Rico - we’re more than one player and one year away. JMO . Yes and no. They aren’t reported to be shopping him but there have been speculation he could be traded for the reasons mentioned. They don’t have incentive to trade him other than the contract piece but teams call and inquire about players every day who aren’t being shopped. There are some players who are untouchable, I don’t believe he’s in that category and that the Falcons would owe it to themselves to listen given the circumstances. I understand your opinion and won’t be mad if they don’t/can’t acquire a proven WR. But I don’t see it as “one player away” or anything. It wouldn’t preclude them from continuing to build the team elsewhere and he’s a proven commodity who would no doubt benefit this team unlike a rookie where you don’t know what you will get or how long it will take. I’m not really hung up on age, The Bills need talent, period. Not all rookies. 2 minutes ago, The Senator said: Thanks Yolo - you obviously know more about the situation there than I do. If the Falcons start shopping him around, I guess we’ll see what Beane does. . I think many feel the way you do, it makes sense and if they don’t do it I won’t be upset. I just hope it’s considered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 No, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I would love some like Julio that doesn't make waves but those guys generally don't make waves and change teams. I think Brown was an idiot for demanding a trade to leave Pittsburgh especially since the Raiders are not showing they are a strong contender. I personally want some stud from the draft to grow with Allen at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Senator said: But, for now, it’s still a hypothetical. If Atlanta starts shopping him around, I guess we’ll see if Beane is interested. My opinion, and it’s just my opinion, is no. It’s a huge chunk of money to tie up on one player, and I’m not in favor of trading high draft picks for aging athletes. He’ll be 31 next February, and I’d fear that once he get’s that huge deal, his performance will begin to drop off. If we were just one player away, maybe. But I’m with Barbarian and Rico - we’re more than one player and one year away.. I understand the concern but it's just one draft pick who may or may not work out. We need to give Josh Allen a reliable target to see if he's the answer. JP had Moulds and Evans. Edwards had Evans and Stevie. Manuel had Stevie (for a year), Watkins, and Woods. Plus, any WR we draft, sign or already on the roster will have the advantage of the opposing defense focusing on stopping Julio. If all works out we'll be able to extend players like Allen and Edmunds in three years without having to worry about saving cap space for the 2019 first round pick. It also tells the rest of the team that we're expected to win NOW. Plus, it may help us sign other free agents. Edited March 10, 2019 by Doc Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: I would love some like Julio that doesn't make waves but those guys generally don't make waves and change teams. I think Brown was an idiot for demanding a trade to leave Pittsburgh especially since the Raiders are not showing they are a strong contender. I personally want some stud from the draft to grow with Allen at this point. He's clearly all about the money and in this case he succeeded. Winning and a legacy doesn't seem to be on his list of top priorities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 hours ago, ALF said: OL first , see more progress from Allen before a huge WR move (like Sammy) How would this work exactly? He’s already a dynamic playmaker with an otherworldly arm. A bona fide WR group is the only way I see he would improve. Do his handoffs not measure up? Is his awareness and pocket presence still a work in progress? Does he not study hard and correctly enough? Get the lad some decent Receivers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: No. We are far from a contender , we need to keep our assets and work the draft and free agency. ^^^This. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Not for 9.. Maybe 40.. Agreed Aussie Joe, this would be more palatable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Yes. There's no WR in FA that worth it neither a rookie, besides with OL and TE additions the move will make sense (as long the price is next year's first round) draft a DL in first WR and OL in 2nd. and 3rd. to develop and the rest of draft and free agency for deep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I would definitely trade a 3 and 5 and make him the highest paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) No I don't want them to trade for a 30 year old WR...if they were going to do it trade of OBJ who is still in his prime for several more years Edited March 10, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The price would not have to be a 1st round pick. 3rd and 5th for AB set the market to some extent. I have no issues paying JJ if comp we would send to ATL is a 3rd this and next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said: I would love some like Julio that doesn't make waves but those guys generally don't make waves and change teams. I think Brown was an idiot for demanding a trade to leave Pittsburgh especially since the Raiders are not showing they are a strong contender. I personally want some stud from the draft to grow with Allen at this point. Lol I hope Carr gets injured and Brown ends up with Peterman at QB? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane nelson Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Nope, we need to acquire building blocks not high priced finishing touches. Way too many gaps at this stage of the "process" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, matter2003 said: No I don't want them to trade for a 30 year old WR...if they were going to do it trade of OBJ who is still in his prime for several more years I’m 99.9 percent sure he’s off the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I would trade a 3rd and a 5th for a top 5 WR and make him the highest paid player at the position..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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