Kirby Jackson Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I completely disagree. One of Allen's best throws is the seam and he can hit curl routes in the middle of the field as well as anyone. A top flight TE woiuld be huge for us. I guess that we will agree to disagree. I know Clay wasn’t very good last year but his production fell off a cliff. I don’t think a TE is that important with Allen. I’d still like one but would rather spend the same money on John Brown if you had to pick one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, dwight in philly said: WOW! Joe Walsh! if you partied with Joe Walsh , it doesnt get any better! That Man , at least back in those days was was synonymous with "Party" He was very nice, and wasted ha. Went on stage with an inspection ready, set of Marine Cammies- cover and all cuz he was outside- other Marines would understand. That day he was annointed a Marine for a day ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: He lost his license, now he dont drive ?♂️. Joe is still makin’ records, his fans cant wait ? He should have let you drive it...life's been good to him so far. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: He lost his license, now he dont drive ?♂️. Joe is still makin’ records, his fans cant wait ? Not sure about the status of the other members of the James Gang... but a reunion of sorts would not be too bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Just now, Turk71 said: Joe Walsh played the free Woodstock anniversary show in 94 at Yasgurs Farm. It was warm and raining, Joe played til around 3 in the morning while I stood in front of the stage sunk halfway to my knees in the cow pasture. He kept tossing me Iron City beers from the stage whenever I asked?. Every once in a while he looked out at the crowd and said: "it was just like this"! What a funny, super talented, goodnatured guy ; when it was over and I tried to leave my shoes came off and are buried at Yasgurs farm to this day. Wow! What a great memory to have!!! He is amazing live and yeah, just a super down to earth guy! Alot dont know, but he gave the Eagles their edge when they moved away from Southern Rock i.e. Hotel California, Life in the Fast Lane etc.... 1 minute ago, dwight in philly said: Not sure about the status of the other members of the James Gang... but a reunion of sorts would not be too bad! I would so be there! 3 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: He should have let you drive it...life's been good to him so far. If I smashed it, his accountants would pay for it all! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Not sure about the status of the other members of the James Gang... but a reunion of sorts would not be too bad! Given the title and subject of this thread, this is a clever and topically appropriate response. Nice job, sir. ? ? 4 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: If I smashed it, his accountants would pay for it all! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: I completely disagree. One of Allen's best throws is the seam and he can hit curl routes in the middle of the field as well as anyone. A top flight TE woiuld be huge for us. You're correct about this. And the Bill's are moving from big play to more of a ball control offense. TE Sean and curl routes are important to ball control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Am i missing something with this guy? 25th ranked TE. not even the best TE on Pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: He lost his license, now he dont drive ?♂️. Joe is still makin’ records, his fans cant wait ? Aside from last season, the Bills haven't been to the playoffs in "Decades".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBorBust2018 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: Am i missing something with this guy? 25th ranked TE. not even the best TE on Pit. Nope. Steeler fans are happy to see him go. They weren’t even happy with James as their back up. Then we have bills fans clamoring from him. Not an upgrade over Clay. Not an upgrade over Croom. Guy is an average back up. Not an average starter ! wake up people This is why the bills suck every year. We have fans applauding the potential interest in James. Let’s settle for some more mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: You're correct about this. And the Bill's are moving from big play to more of a ball control offense. TE Sean and curl routes are important to ball control. I don’t see how (or why) they’d move to a more ball controlled offense? That’s not who Allen is. That’s Alex Smith. Allen is a guy that makes big plays and throws with a lot of air yards. I don’t see the Bills throwing a lot of curls. They try to pick up chunks at a time. I haven’t read anywhere that they plan to change that and would be surprised to see if I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t see how (or why) they’d move to a more ball controlled offense? That’s not who Allen is. That’s Alex Smith. Allen is a guy that makes big plays and throws with a lot of air yards. I don’t see the Bills throwing a lot of curls. They try to pick up chunks at a time. I haven’t read anywhere that they plan to change that and would be surprised to see if I did. They actually moved away from a ball controlled offense as the season went on. So many QBs to adjust to throughout the season but once Allen was back for the duration, Daboll basically said ***** it and just played to his strengths. Edited February 22, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, I'm Spartacus said: Aside from last season, the Bills haven't been to the playoffs in "Decades".... 2 seasons ago, but whose keepin’ track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They actually moved away from a ball controlled offense as the season went on. So many QBs to adjust to throughout the season but once Allen was back for the duration, Daboll basically said ***** it and just played to his strengths. Other than throwing deep, which we can't do on every play, I think Allen's best area of the field is the intermediate middle of the field. Like those dig routes to Foster. He seems confident throwing into the middle and the arm allows him to get it there. We don't have anyone who really excels in the middle though. The best we have is Zay Jones who is a JAG and unreliable. Someone who can really flourish in the middle of the field I think would help Josh out a ton and stress the defense, helping to open up the deep stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 As someone who lives in Pittsburgh, James is the real deal. Great all-around TE. Was great at PSU also. Can perform all TE functions at an above-average level. Has great hands and will help with the intermediate routes. Can block well. And will fit in with the Bills, as someone who got screwed by the refs against the Pats****. 1 hour ago, QBorBust2018 said: Nope. Steeler fans are happy to see him go. They weren’t even happy with James as their back up. Then we have bills fans clamoring from him. Not an upgrade over Clay. Not an upgrade over Croom. Guy is an average back up. Not an average starter ! wake up people This is why the bills suck every year. We have fans applauding the potential interest in James. Let’s settle for some more mediocrity. I'm not sure what, if any, Steeler fans are happy for him to go??? The Steelers are going to miss his all-around ability. He filled-in after Heath Miller retired. Their other TE is a pure pass catcher. James is a huge upgrade over Clay and Croom. A combo of James and Croom is a legit combo. Also allows us to draft a TE in round 3 (since it's a deep TE draft). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 45 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t see how (or why) they’d move to a more ball controlled offense? That’s not who Allen is. That’s Alex Smith. Allen is a guy that makes big plays and throws with a lot of air yards. I don’t see the Bills throwing a lot of curls. They try to pick up chunks at a time. I haven’t read anywhere that they plan to change that and would be surprised to see if I did. Well, I don't know how McD would characterize it, because I agree that this offense seemed to be evolving to an offense that could get chunk yards. But the message has been very clear that Allen needs to stop being so aggressively after those plays when a very high percentage short-throw is available. Call it checking down or whatever, that's what they want more of from Allen They want it, I think, NOT because they want to go all west coast on anyone and win with what's a disguised running game. They want it because when they take the high percentage check down regularly and effectively, it draws the defense in and the mid and long range passing game opens up. It's not ball control in the sense that we want to hold on to the ball and keep the score low. It's ball control so we can keep it and score whenever and wherever the opportunity occurs. I'm convinced the Bills want a high percentage of POSITIVE PLAYS than we saw last year. They don't want any plays that go for zero yards or less, and incomplete passes do that. I think McDermott's philosophy is to make the throw that has a 90% chance of being completed for five instead of the throw that has a 50% chance of gaining 30. I'll be amazed if Allen's completion percentage doesn't go into the low 60s next season. It will happen because he'll check down more often. I think of that as ball control. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I guess that we will agree to disagree. I know Clay wasn’t very good last year but his production fell off a cliff. I don’t think a TE is that important with Allen. I’d still like one but would rather spend the same money on John Brown if you had to pick one or the other. I think a TE like James is important because he can be counted upon to block and make the short, 5-15 yard plays that move the chains on a consistent basis. We don't have anyone who can do that. Also, I want John Brown. Him and Foster would be an amazing combo. Get both!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: 2 seasons ago, but whose keepin’ track? That was more for the Joe Walsh references.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 23 hours ago, BeefCurtns said: I'm your huckleberry. Beef- One if my favorite movies. “Play for blood” “I was just kiddin”, “I wasn’t”. Alright Longer. “ C’mon. Good call. I’d rather not get this guy. I would much rather grab two O Lineman, preferably Saffold and Paradis, and two WR, in Tate, and either Funches, or J Brown. Then draft Jonah Williams at 9 and even if we have to bundle a 2 nd and 3rd, get the Iowa TE. Now that is one helluva off-season, and BPA after in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Speculation .. move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said: That was more for the Joe Walsh references.... See what happens when I start happy hour early??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/21/2019 at 3:40 PM, Freddie's Dead said: I can't forgive him for what he did to Sandra Bullock. Too funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 17 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: Don’t show up after 3 months and think I have a spot in my giant heart for you. Dumbledore: “After all this time?” Snape: “Always.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 21 hours ago, QBorBust2018 said: Jesse James is clearly a back up tight end. The guy looks like he has the 40 time of an offensive lineman. I live in Pittsburgh and watch the Steelers games every week while streaming the bills. Jesse James was given every opportunity to beat out Vance Mcdonald and couldn’t even do that. Guy is not athletic whatsoever. He is a poor mans scott chandler. I would rather have Max Williams from Baltimore as a back up. Jesse James is awful Thank you. That's what I saw while watching his "highlight" reel. Looked very slow. I think he would be on par with Chandler. Big, strong, good hands, but slow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 5 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: Wow! What a great memory to have!!! He is amazing live and yeah, just a super down to earth guy! Alot dont know, but he gave the Eagles their edge when they moved away from Southern Rock i.e. Hotel California, Life in the Fast Lane etc.... I would so be there! If I smashed it, his accountants would pay for it all! Im pretty certain every Eagles fan knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I guess that we will agree to disagree. I know Clay wasn’t very good last year but his production fell off a cliff. I don’t think a TE is that important with Allen. I’d still like one but would rather spend the same money on John Brown if you had to pick one or the other. ....if they respect his arm for the deep ball, why not have options underneath?....nothing like having a mumblin', grumblin', stumblin' 250+ lb TE down the seam....opposition has killed us for years with that simple recipe IMO...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: Im pretty certain every Eagles fan knows this. Alot dont- but your welcome to your opinion too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Maybe I haven’t seen enough of James, but I always get the impression he has no run after the catch ability ala Metzelaars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....if they respect his arm for the deep ball, why not have options underneath?....nothing like having a mumblin', grumblin', stumblin' 250+ lb TE down the seam....opposition has killed us for years with that simple recipe IMO...... I’m not saying “don’t” have it. I am saying that the best part of Allen’s game is his big play ability. We should do everything possible to surround him with people to help in that. That, to me, is OL help and speed. Play to your strengths and be elite at something not okay at a bunch of things. Also, to me it is more about the player. James is a guy imo. We need people like that but he’s not moving the needle. That makes me totally indifferent on him. If the price is right, sure. If not, find someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I think he is an improvement on what we had and have at TE. Smart move. These really should be the type of moves made on offense. Outside of a trade or going after Bell, Buffalo needs to find solid contributors for offense on their 2nd contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not saying “don’t” have it. I am saying that the best part of Allen’s game is his big play ability. We should do everything possible to surround him with people to help in that. That, to me, is OL help and speed. Play to your strengths and be elite at something not okay at a bunch of things. Also, to me it is more about the player. James is a guy imo. We need people like that but he’s not moving the needle. That makes me totally indifferent on him. If the price is right, sure. If not, find someone else. A TE that can exploit matchups on a team with a big arm QB where the safeties have to fear the deep ball can be lethal. Its why Kelce went from very good to nearly unstoppable this year. He was wide open everywhere because they had to contend with the serious threat of the deep ball on every play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....if they respect his arm for the deep ball, why not have options underneath?....nothing like having a mumblin', grumblin', stumblin' 250+ lb TE down the seam....opposition has killed us for years with that simple recipe IMO...... As long as he’s looking touchdowns first is rather spend on that read. As he picks up the underneath spend there. I recall many a thread with myself included saying clay would be the key to Tyrod throwing inside the hashes. Get weapons for what what guys do well and lean on naturally and let the rest be serviceable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t see how (or why) they’d move to a more ball controlled offense? That’s not who Allen is. That’s Alex Smith. Allen is a guy that makes big plays and throws with a lot of air yards. I don’t see the Bills throwing a lot of curls. They try to pick up chunks at a time. I haven’t read anywhere that they plan to change that and would be surprised to see if I did. I think ball control and taking the easy throw is going to be a huge focus for Daboll and Allen this year. There was an interview with Phoebe Schecter the other day on the locked on Bills podcast, she's the female coaching intern that joined the team last year. It was actually a great interview if you get a chance to listen to it, it endeared me to McDermott a lot. But Joe Marino asked her about Allen and she basically said he always wants to take the big throw even when the RB is running wide open, and once he learns to take that throw he will be special. I was surprised to hear her say it like that but it made me think that's the coaching staff's goal with Allen. She said the messaging to the team and to the coaches is always very clear, and the messaging about Allen appears to be "take the easy throw." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I didn’t realize that. That changes everything. He’s a top 5 guy now (just behind Lee Smith). If you read my post I said that I'd rank him 15th-20th so your sarcasm makes zero sense in this situation. James is not a prolific reciever... He is the old school classic TE that still make solid starters. You can't just look at recieving numbers... But whole body of work. Especially with a player who had to compete for touches with guys like Leveon Bell and Antonio Brown and JuJu Smith Schuster. He is also only 24 and has improved. He increased his yard per catch from 8 to 14 this year which is huge sign of improvement. And a reason to be optimistic that he can still develop into a good receiving TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: Alot dont- but your welcome to your opinion too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Haha perfect my friend!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/21/2019 at 3:40 PM, HappyDays said: Makes sense as a stopgap. Joe Marino talked about him on the locked on Bills podcast the other day and said he's not particularly athletic, but he's reliable and would definitely be an improvement. I expect us to draft a TE on day 1 or 2 regardless. Whats up breh. Is thete a link to this? I always respected Marino when i learned the game of football beyond being a child fan. One of the best QBs to never win a SB. I wouldve wanted Marino, Kosar, McNabb, and Warren Moon to win rings. Felt like McNabb shouldve made it to more superbowls.wats ur take breh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: I think ball control and taking the easy throw is going to be a huge focus for Daboll and Allen this year. There was an interview with Phoebe Schecter the other day on the locked on Bills podcast, she's the female coaching intern that joined the team last year. It was actually a great interview if you get a chance to listen to it, it endeared me to McDermott a lot. But Joe Marino asked her about Allen and she basically said he always wants to take the big throw even when the RB is running wide open, and once he learns to take that throw he will be special. I was surprised to hear her say it like that but it made me think that's the coaching staff's goal with Allen. She said the messaging to the team and to the coaches is always very clear, and the messaging about Allen appears to be "take the easy throw." Thanks for this. I didn't hear the interview. Some coaches were very clear about this at the end of the season. It seemed like the single most important thing they want is to get Allen to take the easy completion. I don't know specifics, but I said in some post a day or two ago that they want Allen to throw the ball that has a 90% likelihood of being completed for 5 yards rather than than a ball that's 50% that could go for 30. It seems counter-intuitive, but the metrics guys seem to have figured out that completions are more important than yards. Now, getting Allen to complete 65% of his passes by taking a half dozen easy throws a game doesn't necessarily equate to what we old timers called a ball control offense, unless all you mean is that ball control is opposite of quick strike. And ball control doesn't necessarily mean conservative, either. I think McDermott certainly is smart enough to recognize that he has an amazing weapon hanging off Allen's right shoulder, and he's smart enough to know that it would be foolish of him not to take advantage of it. I think what they're telling Allen is that every time he has a guy open deep, take it. But if the guy is covered, so you have only a 50-60% chance of completing it, don't go there. I think it's not ball control, which is the phrase I used, so much as a philosophy that says make every play positive. On 10 throws, 8 completions is better than 5 completions, even if the 5 go for more yards than the 8. Make every play positive. I'd guess they're telling Allen that the only balls they want incomplete are intentional throw aways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 44 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Thanks for this. I didn't hear the interview. You can listen to it here: https://player.fm/series/locked-on-bills/locked-on-bills-22119-phoebe-schecter-interview There's a lot of fluff about how she got into the NFL, but the nuggets she offers about McDermott, Allen, and Edmunds are very interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Very slow. Hopefully that would not be the final move at Tight End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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