TheBeaneBandit Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 12 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I think I might be leaning towards Risner before Hockenson...but it is still early I love Risners attitude and approach, but the truth is he is a late 1st early 2nd round talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I would like it. He could be Allen’s Greg Olsen. I wonder if they wouldn’t go after the more athletic Fant, but I think they’d prefer a guy like Hockenson. Could see them trying to move down in order to add some picks in order to do so as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 9 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Just watched three games on Hockenson and to be honest I am a little surprised by all the Gronk and Kelce comparisons going on. He is definitely willing to do it all. But aside from having really good hands he doesnt stand out as an elite top ten talent. He is a good blocker, but he is also streaky at times, especially in the Penn State and Mississippi State games I watched (that Mississippi State defense was fast and nasty). He has some size but wouldnt say he plays big, in fact he comes across as a smaller H-Back despite being 6'5. I will be curious about the speed but he doesnt look like a 4.4 or 4.5 guy on film. I also didnt see crisp route running. I saw a guy who would sneak off an initial block and get wide open rather than getting open using route running skills. Three games doesnt tell the entire story, but I would be against the Bills taking him in the top ten. I think there are a lot of fair points here. As you alluded to, I think a lot is going to come down to his combine workout. I mean if he runs a 4.81, and measured 6-3, he won't be a top ten pick, but if he blows it up, or at least puts up respectable numbers, I think you are getting a pretty special guy. I am very interested in how he measures, height, weight, wing span, hands, things of that nature. I don't want an H back. We also have to keep in mind that the guy is a redshirt sophomore, so there is a still a lot of growth to be had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Measured in nicely today at the combine 6-4 6/8 and 251 pounds. I thought he was coming in at 6'3. Positional value matters and he's not explosive any way but he's just so good and is a devastating blocker as well. Definitely in play at #9 along with Jonah Williams, Ed Oliver and D.K. Metcalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Trade back to 15 so the skins can get a QB, then take this guy. Big weopon foe allen who also makes the run game better from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Measured in nicely today at the combine 6-4 6/8 and 251 pounds. I thought he was coming in at 6'3. Positional value matters and he's not explosive any way but he's just so good and is a devastating blocker as well. Definitely in play at #9 along with Jonah Williams, Ed Oliver and D.K. Metcalf. That 6-4 kind of bothers me. It's not a big deal as we are talking fractions of an inch, but I'm a big measurements guy and not sure I love that. Eager to see how he runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 16 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: That 6-4 kind of bothers me. It's not a big deal as we are talking fractions of an inch, but I'm a big measurements guy and not sure I love that. Eager to see how he runs. He's practically 6'5 lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 It's been mentioned already in this thread, I think, but Hockenson's blocking ability on day 1 makes him a high floor player that can contribute immediately. Even if the receiving side of his game takes a couple years to get cooking (which I'm not necessarily convinced it will, any way), his immediate contributions in the blocking game would be a great boon to the Bills offense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 His height is almost 6'5 and weight is good at 251. His hand size is average and arm length is a little shorter than I would like but still longer than Ertz measured in at. No red flags from the measurements so interested to see how he tests out athletically on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: He's practically 6'5 lol I know. It's dumb, but it's one of those things that just bothers me. I'm glad I am not a scout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: I know. It's dumb, but it's one of those things that just bothers me. I'm glad I am not a scout. It's funny because this sorta thing used to bother me a lot. I think I got over the fraction stuff sometime last year LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: It's funny because this sorta thing used to bother me a lot. I think I got over the fraction stuff sometime last year LOL! I need to do the same thing! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I need to do the same thing! lol I didn't know I'd ever get here so I believe in you lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 When people watch Hockensons tape you have to remember the guy is 21 years old. He's still young. I went back and watched tape of Travis Kelce at Cincinnati and he was a lumberer he didn't look like a freak athlete either. I will say Kelce did look a hell of a lot more filled out in the upper body in college. Its very hard to compare Hockenson to guys like him and Gronk and Ertz who have filled out their bodies and have been in the league awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 7 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: I know. It's dumb, but it's one of those things that just bothers me. I'm glad I am not a scout. The average across the league is 6' 5" so he is 2 "8ths" from being right in the sweet spot. For a frame of reference out of the 21 TE's at the combine Hockenson is in the top 5 in height. He is taller than Fant, and Bama's Irv Smith Jr is the shortest at 6'2" and 3/8. The other TE I like is Josh Oliver he came in at 6'4" and change, but had the largest hands measured 10.75. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 I wouldn't be disappointed if this happened: Mock Draft R1 Hockeson R2 Little R3 whathisname-Arcega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, TPS said: I wouldn't be disappointed if this happened: Mock Draft R1 Hockeson R2 Little R3 whathisname-Arcega Just call him JAWS... I didn’t make this up it a name I’ve heard thrown around JJ Arcega-Whiteside 1 hour ago, TPS said: I wouldn't be disappointed if this happened: Mock Draft R1 Hockeson R2 Little R3 whathisname-Arcega I see a trade back into the late first Hockenson Bradbury? Ford? Risner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Disappointing 40 time for him. Probably drops him out of the top 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Still want him with that 40 time. Rare combination of a guy who can block, run a good route, and catch anything. Great safety outlet for Allen for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 It’s a still no from me at 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: It’s a still no from me at 9 Who do you want at 9, if they don't trade down? Ed Oliver DT is my hope, if they don't trade down. Would love to be able to get Oliver, Bradbury, and Risner, a RB, TE, and a few WRs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Still want him with that 40 time. Rare combination of a guy who can block, run a good route, and catch anything. Great safety outlet for Allen for years to come. What was his time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Just now, JaCrispy said: What was his time? 4.7’s. For both runs. Not super explosive. But has shown good route running ability. Ertz also ran 4.7’s so I’m not that concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: What was his time? 4.70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, PIZ said: Who do you want at 9, if they don't trade down? Ed Oliver DT is my hope, if they don't trade down. Would love to be able to get Oliver, Bradbury, and Risner, a RB, TE, and a few WRs. I am also in the Ed Oliver camp. Hopefully available at 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 40 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: 4.7’s. For both runs. Not super explosive. But has shown good route running ability. Ertz also ran 4.7’s so I’m not that concerned. I love hockenson. He’s not an Uber athletic tight end like Kelce. But he’s fluid, athletic and great hands who can block. Reminds me a ton of Heath Miller and for me, totally worth the 9th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) Something about the idea of taking Hockenson at 9 is irksome. The three best TE's(Ertz, Gronk, Kelce) were all taken in the 2nd/3rd round. I feel like the Bills would be giving up a lot of capital in the hopes that becomes as good as guys that were taken much later. I like Hock quite a bit. I don't like Hock at 9. Edited March 2, 2019 by BillsSB2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: I love hockenson. He’s not an Uber athletic tight end like Kelce. But he’s fluid, athletic and great hands who can block. Reminds me a ton of Heath Miller and for me, totally worth the 9th pick. Great Hands, good route runner, great blocker, physical etc His 3 cone was quicker than 95% of the RBs. It was fast than Deebo Samuels and Andy Isabella. But for some reason I just feel he’ll have the work ethic, drive and heart as well. Im all about Hockenson at 9. He improves our run game and passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Bills2ref said: 4.7’s. For both runs. Not super explosive. But has shown good route running ability. Ertz also ran 4.7’s so I’m not that concerned. Ertz would be a good comparison for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I think people want a TE for the Bills so badly, that they are overrating this guy. I think he will be successful, but not really anything special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Ive said it before and i will continue to say it, Hockenson is the only player in the draft with one pick we upgrade both the oline and receiving group with one pick 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Ok, so as opposed as I have been to the thought of drafting a TE at #9, I have to admit that todays performance with the videos I have seen of Hockenson have me a bit intrigued. If we get the OL fixed in FA, and I mean really fixed with proven quality starters at positions of need, then I would be good with Hockenson in the 1st and Boykin in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, H2o said: Ok, so as opposed as I have been to the thought of drafting a TE at #9, I have to admit that todays performance with the videos I have seen of Hockenson have me a bit intrigued. If we get the OL fixed in FA, and I mean really fixed with proven quality starters at positions of need, then I would be good with Hockenson in the 1st and Boykin in the 2nd. There’s a chance Hockenson goes 7 or 8. Boykin just doesn’t fit this scheme, neither does Harry or Butler. Im thinking AJ Brown, Parris Campbell, Riley Ridley, Deebo Samuels. All those WRs are multi role guys. Slot, split out, great route runners, great hands, shifty and tough to bring down. Right now I’m.... 9. Hockenson 40. AJ Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 minute ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: There’s a chance Hockenson goes 7 or 8. Boykin just doesn’t fit this scheme, neither does Harry or Butler. Im thinking AJ Brown, Parris Campbell, Riley Ridley, Deebo Samuels. All those WRs are multi role guys. Slot, split out, great route runners, great hands, shifty and tough to bring down. Right now I’m.... 9. Hockenson 40. AJ Brown We do this we better be VERY aggressive in fa on the offensive line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: We do this we better be VERY aggressive in fa on the offensive line Still a long way to go, but I would be very bullish that one of the first two picks this year will be OL.., Some people seem very optimistic in how Free Agency is going to turn out for the Bills.., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Great Hands, good route runner, great blocker, physical etc His 3 cone was quicker than 95% of the RBs. It was fast than Deebo Samuels and Andy Isabella. But for some reason I just feel he’ll have the work ethic, drive and heart as well. Im all about Hockenson at 9. He improves our run game and passing game. I’m glad to hear about his 3 cone, I was a little disappointed by his 40 time. I was hoping he was a 4.6 guy. If we come out of round 1 with Taylor, Metcalf, or Hockenson I will be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 He ran in the 4.7s. Late first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: He ran in the 4.7s. Late first. 4.7 flat is still above average for tight ends. Long speed isn't that important for a tight end. How often are they running a go route compared to working the short or intermediate areas of the field or staying home to block? His 3 cone drill, 20 yard shuttle and 60 yard shuttle (change of direction/agility) results were very good. As were his vertical and broad jump results (lower body strength/explosiveness). His bench press was disappointing IMO, but upper body strength is relatively easy to develop from NCAA to pro, especially for someone with a good athletic profile. Highlighting the drills above with his percentile against other TE (big thanks to MockDraftable.com which is an invaluable resource this time of year) : 40 yard dash: 4.70 (68th) Vertical: 37.5 (90th) Broad Jump: 123" (91st) 3-Cone drill: 7.02 (77th) 20 yard shuttle: 4.18 (85th) 60 yard shuttle: 11.55 (84th) Bench Press: 17 reps (21st) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 He will not be a Bill unless we trade down. First, I love Hock. But there’s way too much value to be had at 9. Metcalf, Oliver, Jonah Williams. I like Hock at 20-25, but not at 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Why not his teammate Noah fant? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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