Patriot Killa Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) Jets need a Center too. Hope we get him or Morse. Actually very surprised that he might get to see FA but I guess considering a season ending injury and being 29..they don’t wanna pay him what he’s wanting. He’s still one of the best in the game and you go out and get him if you can. Part of what makes a Center valuable is the ability to recognize what the DL is doing and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage and Paradis is great at that. It’s what made Nick Mangold one of, if not, the best Center in the league for some years there. From Feb 7th where they low balled him^ an hour ago^ Edited February 14, 2019 by Patriot Killa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I would literally back up the truck. Let him name his price. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. Edit: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-today-how-buffalo-impressed-recent-free-agent-signee-spencer-long Quote Long said he’s been told he’ll compete for the starting center role, presumably with veteran Russell Bodine, who made 10 starts at center for the Bills last season. Long has also been told he will compete for a starting position. Doubt Long will compete for a starting spot with a Morse or a Paradis. So maybe the Bills have moved on from Morse / Paradis. But, based on the fact that only $1.2 mill of Long's contract is guaranteed - the Bills may still be looking for another Center. Mixed signals. Edited February 15, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I hope the Bills at least try to bring him in for a visit. There’s no guarantee he will be interested, but I feel like you have to at least kick tires on him. He could be a big help to Allen identifying coverages and setting protections. I think Allen needs that. You could see how it helped Allen when Bodine took over for Groy. Bodine was better at identifying coverages than Groy, and as Patriot Killa said, Paradis is one of the better C’s in the NFL in that regard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, IgotBILLStopay said: Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. I don’t think the Long signing precludes them from going after Paradis. Long plays guard and center (and IMO is probably better as a guard). They could easily slide him over to G. For all we know, that’s what they signed him to play... (and/or to compete with Bodine in case they strike out on a clear C upgrade). Plus, Groy, Mills and Miller are all free agents. The Bills still need to sign at least a couple starting linemen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 My thing is the Broncos seem to be so unaware of the fact that most NFL teams are so OL hungry that the moment Paradis is let go to test FA and come back with a price...they aren’t getting him back. The Bills, Jets, Cardinals, Texans and every other team under the sun is going to be bidding on him. It’s absolutely over with for the Broncos if they are seriously going to do this lol. Elway trying to outsmart everyone again...reminiscent of Paxton Lynch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I don’t think the long signing has any bearing on who they may target. Long was just available and they wanted to make sure they got someone ASAP. He’s versatile and can start in the pinch. I would guess buffalo signed him as depth or a temporary starter. Paradis and Morse should still be big targets if they hit the market. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I don’t think the long signing has any bearing on who they may target. Long was just available and they wanted to make sure they got someone ASAP. He’s versatile and can start in the pinch. I would guess buffalo signed him as depth or a temporary starter. Paradis and Morse should still be big targets if they hit the market. Spencer Long should in no way affect that. Despite being a starter for the majority of his career, he is just another guy and with targets like Mitch Morse and Paradis getting ready to hit FA..you cannot let Spencer Long out of all people hold you back lol. Edited February 14, 2019 by Patriot Killa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just curious: where are you hearing Matt Paradis will be allowed to test FA? You got a Denver insider? Please dish something if you want some credibility here. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. Long is a safe signing for right now. There is no gaurentee of signing any player that you want once free agency opens, even if you offer them top dollar. I don't think that signing Long has much to do with the players they target in free agency. Bring in as many oline upgrades as possible and let them all battle for the top spots. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFan4 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: My thing is the Broncos seem to be so unaware of the fact that most NFL teams are so OL hungry that the moment Paradis is let go to test FA and come back with a price...they aren’t getting him back. The Bills, Jets, Cardinals, Texans and every other team under the sun is going to be bidding on him. It’s absolutely over with for the Broncos if they are seriously going to do this lol. Elway trying to outsmart everyone again...reminiscent of Paxton Lynch I would be surprised if the Jets aren’t one of the bidders for Paradis. Whether he picks NY or not, I do not know. But I fully expect them to make an offer (and probably a pretty big one). Same with Antonio Brown. I think the Jets will be one of the teams that try to trade for him. At least that’s my guess. I just get the impression that Maccagnan kind of likes to big game hunt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. If signing Spencer Long prevents the Bills from signing Paradis or Morse, then we have bigger problems than we think when it comes to the talent evaluators at OBD. This is like saying the Bills signed Adam Lingner, so they have no need to bring in Kent Hull. 3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I would be surprised if the Jets aren’t one of the bidders for Paradis. Whether he picks NY or not, I do not know. But I fully expect them to make an offer (and probably a pretty big one). Same with Antonio Brown. I think the Jets will be one of the teams that try to trade for him. At least that’s my guess. I just get the impression that Maccagnan kind of likes to big game hunt. The Jets are desperately dumb. I can totally see them trading the 3rd overall pick for AB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: My thing is the Broncos seem to be so unaware of the fact that most NFL teams are so OL hungry that the moment Paradis is let go to test FA and come back with a price...they aren’t getting him back. The Bills, Jets, Cardinals, Texans and every other team under the sun is going to be bidding on him. It’s absolutely over with for the Broncos if they are seriously going to do this lol. Elway trying to outsmart everyone again...reminiscent of Paxton Lynch It’s a great time to be Paradis!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 36 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. Unless Long plays Guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I would be surprised if the Jets aren’t one of the bidders for Paradis. Whether he picks NY or not, I do not know. But I fully expect them to make an offer (and probably a pretty big one). Same with Antonio Brown. I think the Jets will be one of the teams that try to trade for him. At least that’s my guess. I just get the impression that Maccagnan kind of likes to big game hunt. I too believe we will be competing with the Jets for the services of Paradis. There's a good possiblity Long was signed to play guard or could do so if we're able to land Matthew. As much as I love what's going on, I'm gonna be a tad disappointed in OBD if we can't lure him to our fair city. Edited February 14, 2019 by BillsSB2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I would be surprised if the Jets aren’t one of the bidders for Paradis. Whether he picks NY or not, I do not know. But I fully expect them to make an offer (and probably a pretty big one). Same with Antonio Brown. I think the Jets will be one of the teams that try to trade for him. At least that’s my guess. I just get the impression that Maccagnan kind of likes to big game hunt. I’m nearly positive that they will offer Paradis a big contract. OL in general is such a huge need and especially Center. Antonio Brown I’m not too sure about though. Maccagnan hates to give up draft picks and he doesn’t love diva’s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Good. More volume in the market means a better chance of getting a starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: I too believe we will be competing with the Jets for the services of Paradis. As much as I love what's going on, I'm gonna be a tad disappointed in OBD if we can't lure him to our fair city. Yeah, Paradis or Mitch Morse. Ryan Kalil would be ok too (and Beane is obviously familiar with him). And I want Daryl Williams at T (another carolina guy Beane is familiar with) But I don’t really have my hopes up. Im not sure how many real big names buffalo will go after, and even if they do buffalo isn’t exactly a free agent destination (yet...?). Im hoping this new, state of the art $18M training facility will help their recruiting. It’s supposed to be one of the top 3 in the NFL when finished. That’s pretty damn cool for a small market team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 49 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. SL can play guard. Ok hearing here this goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said: Yeah, Paradis or Mitch Morse. Ryan Kalil would be ok too (and Beane is obviously familiar with him). And I want Daryl Williams at T (another carolina guy Beane is familiar with) But I don’t really have my hopes up. Im not sure how many real big names buffalo will go after, and even if they do buffalo isn’t exactly a free agent destination (yet...?). Im hoping this new, state of the art $18M training facility will help their recruiting. It’s supposed to be one of the top 3 in the NFL when finished. That’s pretty damn cool for a small market team. I think there may be something of a ripple effect if we can land a bigtime player like Paradis early in the process. Crossing my fingers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 If he is a zone guy and the Bills are moving to man, is he a good signing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 52 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. Long plays LG, C, and RG. How would signing Paradis be a mistake? Two veterans leading our interior. Paradis and Long would be immediate upgrades. Dawkins-Teller-Paradis-Long-high draft pick has good potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. To be a guard and a good "problem" to have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Overpay to get the linemen you need. If they pick the right guys, nobody's going to care about the extra $1-2M they're getting per year. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Did anyone mention Long might play guard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Bills2ref said: I would literally back up the truck. Let him name his price. Certainly don't let the Jets get him... I think Paradis is the key FA signing for the Bills in 2019 IMO 4 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 5 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. OMG! I finally figured it out! I thought it was a clever -if getting old- shtick, but you’re in Stage 3 concussion protocol, aren’t you? Has to be. Otherwise, THIS makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 My guess is, if in the end he's not a Bill, it won't be because they don't try... I think he's our #1 target in Free Agency and they are going to offer him a BIG deal...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: My guess is, if in the end he's not a Bill, it won't be because they don't try... I think he's our #1 target in Free Agency and they are going to offer him a BIG deal...? I think they’ll try as well, but Morse is 5 years younger. 1, 1a, imo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I think they’ll try as well, but Morse is 5 years younger. 1, 1a, imo. Well...It's more like 2.5 yrs...10/12/89 to 4/21/92... But agreed... Either or...I think Morse will get similar money too...I just think they'll like Paradis more because he's been a better run blocker... We'll see...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I'm really surprised by this if true, he is one of the best interior offensive lineman in the league, I get his late injury unless it's a bigger issue than initially thought to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I'm really surprised by this if true, he is one of the best interior offensive lineman in the league, I get his late injury unless it's a bigger issue than initially thought to be? Maybe they already know they can’t come up with the dollars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, KOKBILLS said: Well...It's more like 2.5 yrs...10/12/89 to 4/21/92... But agreed... Either or...I think Morse will get similar money too...I just think they'll like Paradis more because he's been a better run blocker... We'll see...? I guess my wishful thinking is a Kelly/Hull thing. Both started and finished their careers on the same day, 10 years apart. If Paradis and Morse are as good as advertised, I’d love to see Josh and a Center do the same or damn near. Paradis doesn’t make this grade and is already wounded.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) Great now that the Bills signed their future HOFer in Long.? Edited February 16, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense. It’s possible that could be true. We just don’t know what their plans are for Long, position-wise. I’m not convinced they plan to pursue Paradis, regardless. He’s going to be 30 and is coming off of double hip surgery and a broken fibula. For the value I’d personally let him get paid elsewhere. Edited February 14, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I don’t think the long signing has any bearing on who they may target. Long was just available and they wanted to make sure they got someone ASAP. He’s versatile and can start in the pinch. I would guess buffalo signed him as depth or a temporary starter. Paradis and Morse should still be big targets if they hit the market. My assumption and hope as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elltrain22 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 A few observations/predictions.... If this report is true (which I believe it is), he'll most def have a better offer via FA then what Denver is offering. As much as he wants to remain in Denver, I think if he is blown away he'll sign elsewhere. I believe he is either the Bills #1 or #2 target. The Spencer Long signing is nothing other than a replacement for Ryan Groy, and a better swing OL who could start or fill in if needed. We will have to wow him, not just with $$$, b/c we will bidding against NYJ, and probably 2-3 other teams that all want him bad. At 29 years old, and coming off an injury, if we get outbid or he choses elsewhere, Mitch More is a GREAT fallback option! Go Bills!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Yes, it appears only 1.2 mill of Long's 13 mill deal is guaranteed. No wonder the Bills signed him early. To lock him up with just 1.2 mill in a position of absolute need - that has the potential to go down as one of the best off-season signings. That also means a top flight center (FA or Draft)is still very much in play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) It wouldn't surprise me if Bean & company at the very least talk to him but i don't see them getting in a bidding war for him or as some here said to back up the truck & pay him what ever he wants after all the guy is 29 which isn't old but what is the longevity of a center in the NFL ? I know a good one can make or break a offense as was seen this yr with the loss of E Wood ! I i guess if they could get him for around the same contract that they gave E Wood that wouldn't be bad because they thought they would be paying that out any way . The Spencer Long signing would be good for a back up at the position & he could be a better guard than he was a center, the O line needs all the help it can get to be better than it has been !! Edited February 14, 2019 by T master 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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