Just Joshin' Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 53 minutes ago, PIZ said: I am going to reserve judgement until after I see what our new OL coach can do with him and any other guy the Bills bring in. At least they are not sitting on their hands. So you don't want to know over react until there is more info? Makes too much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I hope this is an approach to firm up the guard position. As a center, one of the skill sets is to snap the ball consistently. He does not do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, dpberr said: I hope this is an approach to firm up the guard position. As a center, one of the skill sets is to snap the ball consistently. He does not do this. The coaches shouldn’t have let him play C with broken fingers even if he was cleared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 He is by far better than most of our OL on the roster and you need solid depth. He is fairly cheap and can play both G and C, this changes no plans. There seem to be some good Cs in this draft and don't count out us going after a good FA Center Like Morse. He may be an adeqaute starting G for us as well. I really don't see us blowing tons of cash on a full new FA OL. I expect 1 or 2 bigger signings on the OL and a bunch of moves like this while we wait for rookies or our 1 yr players to develop more. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: Great signing. He is better than Miller, Groy and Bodine. Looks like an improvement over what we have, and gives us flexibility. I read we had the lowest paid group of OLine players last year. This signing might indicate to available players that we are willing to pay for better play. The real question is whether our new OLine coaches are any good................ Their thoughts were undoubtedly included in the decision to sign Long. Now the coaches need to produce ................ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 109 now it sounds like work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: FWIW, The reports on Paradis were resoundingly debunked: https://www.milehighreport.com/2019/2/8/18217442/teammates-former-teammates-and-insiders-respond-to-false-accusations-made-against-matt-paradis Yep none of it seems true. I just wonder who the source was, and I'm guessing it was Elway. Smear the guy if you know you are going to lose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I thought free agency didn't start until March? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, Watkins90 said: I thought free agency didn't start until March? He was released so free to sign anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, dpberr said: I hope this is an approach to firm up the guard position. As a center, one of the skill sets is to snap the ball consistently. He does not do this. Last year. With a finger injury. Was a respected Center in Washinton and is an upgrade over Bodine but I have a feeling we shouldn't rule him out at RG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: He was released so free to sign anywhere. I'm assuming it is only players whose contracts expire in 2018 that can't sign until March. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, One Buffalo said: I was and still am hoping we go for Paradis. This is a good add for competition and depth at least I guess. Definitely worth a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 A starting olineman that won't count in the draft pick compensation formula is nice. $4-5 million per season isn't horrible either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Yet another free agent signing gone awry. Spencer Long was always solid on the interior for the Redskins after he was third-round pick back in 2014. So far in New York, however, he’s been disastrous. His 14 pressures allowed are more than he gave up in either of the past two seasons, and his 45.5 run-blocking grade doesn’t look much better. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-9 You have to wonder why he dropped off. Scheme is one reason why. Playing through injury is another. I hope that’s it is one of those and that he’s healthy and a better fit here. It also happens when players stop using PEDs or just get lazy. I’m not insinuating it’s either of those, only that they round out the top reasons for a drop off this early in a career. Here’s hoping we got some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Solid pickup considering the state of the Bills OL. Grab 2 more FA OL. Draft another 2. Focus on skill position in the draft. I'm all in for trading down and grabbing TJ Hockenson and Deebo Samuels in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Watkins90 said: I'm assuming it is only players whose contracts expire in 2018 that can't sign until March. Yes or any player released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, billspro said: I would expect Ducasse to be cut following this move. Same, I think Bobby Johnson will want his own guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, Captain Murica said: Same, I think Bobby Johnson will want his own guys. Remember the name LaAdrian Waddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said: For what it’s worth, he was graded as “below average” by PFF. The #37 center. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/spencer-long/8713 Very odd?? Why sign a guy for 3 years who basically has identical pff ratings as Groy. Groy is #36, Long #37. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Dawkins-Teller/Draft Pick-New Center-Long-New Tackle Getting better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, N.Y. Orangeman said: Dawkins-Teller/Draft Pick-New Center-Long-New Tackle Getting better... I feel that if you find a way to get Morse and Daryl Williams the unit would be improved immensely. Then you can draft depth and competition for Teller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Very odd?? Why sign a guy for 3 years who basically has identical pff ratings as Groy. Groy is #36, Long #37. Might just be to lock him up for a bit if he returns to form. If they didn’t give him much in the way of a signing bonus or guaranteed money then the three years are not a problem if they cut him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I feel like Elgton Jenkins from MS State is going to be an animal. Probably better off drafting him in the early second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Remember the name LaAdrian Waddle. I wouldn’t get your hopes up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Very odd?? Why sign a guy for 3 years who basically has identical pff ratings as Groy. Groy is #36, Long #37. Pro scouts don’t make personnel decisions using PFF as the main criteria 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, ducej11 said: From my buddy who is a Jets fan... "When the Jets got him, my friend who is a Redskins fan told me I would hate him more and more every week. He wasn't wrong. He was the first guy I wanted cut after the season ended." So, you’re sayin’ there’s a chance.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, CaptnCoke11 said: I wouldn’t get your hopes up As pointed out elsewhere, he has ties to DaBoll and Johnson. He started at RT for the Lions as was okay. At least he'd be good depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: Dawkins-Teller/Draft Pick-New Center-Long-New Tackle Getting better... Not really. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: As pointed out elsewhere, he has ties to DaBoll and Johnson. He started at RT for the Lions as was okay. At least he'd be good depth. I'm not familiar - do you know what type of blocking scheme Johnson uses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said: For what it’s worth, he was graded as “below average” by PFF. The #37 center. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/spencer-long/8713 Allen must be thrilled!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: He plays LG too. May be where he lands. i am hoping that is where Dawkins lands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: i am hoping that is where Dawkins lands. I’m hoping Dawkins stays at LT and has a quality LG next to him like he did his rookie year. No fault of anyone but Richie, but imo losing RI next to him had a big impact on Dawkins play year 2. Edited February 12, 2019 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacoy38 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Think this is more of a Groy replacement as an interior swing man. Think they still go after Paradis or Morse or draft someone day 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I may be in the minority, but I think his pay rate indicates that he IS being looked at as a probable starter. I also think the fact that the Bills list him as a C/G and not just as a G means that they think he has a shot to win the starting center job. Recall Beane's recent comment about "sleeping better at night" if you have a veteran C. For those counting on the Bills ALSO getting Paradis or Morse: with the signing of Long, I sincerely doubt that's gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFan4 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He was also pretty good in 2016. He was ranked #9 in pass protection by PFF, and finished with an overall rank of 29 out of 72 ranked centers. The main thing that worries me about long are his run blocking grades. It looks like he’s been pretty good in pass protection for most of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Has experience at Guard and Center - if we were to swing and miss at some of the top targets for Center i think they wanted a fall back plan because bodine wasn't great and our guards were all pretty lousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Another factor to consider with regard to his drop in level of play last year? His offensive line coach, none other than Rick Dennison, he of the zone blocking scheme. Here's hoping a scheme and scenery change and a return to full health will pay dividends for Long. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I think the other point on this is that we likely have every intention of drafting interior OL high in the draft, but can't be dependent upon them in 2019. I'll be shocked if this guy is getting a huge signing bonus, so the risk is limited if things either go south with his play or go really well with our potential rookie IOL class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Allen is doomed 2 hours ago, sunshynman said: As long as it's cheap and a depth move, OK. Surprised its a 3 year. Would have thought it would be a prove it type 1 year. Almost 5 million a year for this clown ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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