If we stay at 9, the only player I’d really be happy with is...

[NewEra]

Ed Oliver. We could line him up anywhere along the DL and let him wreak havoc.  Impact player.  

 

No chance Bosa, Q Williams or Josh Allen will be there.  

 

Anyone else isnt worth not trading down for ino.  The tackle options are solid, yet wouldn’t be BPA imo.  The DTs other than Oliver are good but not spectacular in my current opinion.  Ferrell could be the only other guy I could get excited about but would still rather trade down.  Devin Bush or Devin White?  Great player but plays a position I think we may be set in.  Unless they wanted the luxury of playing Edmunds at SLB and Bush/white ILB, Milano WLB.  Ehhh. 

 

Is there just ONE guy that you’re focusing on and hope that we get?  

Edited January 28, 2019 by NewEra

[LSHMEAB]

Reverse Ferrell and Oliver for me, but if we stay at 9, I'd love to see either one these guys be the pick.

[OldTimer1960]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ed Oliver. We could line him up anywhere along the DL and let him wreak havoc.  Impact player.  

 

No chance Bosa, Q Williams or Josh Allen will be there.  

 

Anyone else isnt worth not trading down for ino.  The tackle options are solid, yet wouldn’t be BPA imo.  The DTs other than Oliver are good but not spectacular in my current opinion.  Ferrell could be the only other guy I could get excited about but would still rather trade down.  Devin Bush or Devin White?  Great player but plays a position I think we may be set in.  Unless they wanted the luxury of playing Edmunds at SLB and Bush/white ILB, Milano WLB.  Ehhh. 

 

Is there just ONE guy that you’re focusing on and hope that we get?  

I’m a little concerned about Oliver’s (under) size.  A DT at his size HAS to be dynamic and you have to realize that your run D is likely to suffer if you are playing a 280lb DT.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I’m a little concerned about Oliver’s (under) size.  A DT at his size HAS to be dynamic and you have to realize that your run D is likely to suffer if you are playing a 280lb DT.

Agree, and Gary is also small at 280.

[Cripple Creek]

4 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I’m a little concerned about Oliver’s (under) size.  A DT at his size HAS to be dynamic and you have to realize that your run D is likely to suffer if you are playing a 280lb DT.

Not comparing talent, only weight...Aaron Donald has made a nice living moving up and down the d-line at around 280 lbs.

[C.Biscuit97]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ed Oliver. We could line him up anywhere along the DL and let him wreak havoc.  Impact player.  

 

No chance Bosa, Q Williams or Josh Allen will be there.  

 

Anyone else isnt worth not trading down for ino.  The tackle options are solid, yet wouldn’t be BPA imo.  The DTs other than Oliver are good but not spectacular in my current opinion.  Ferrell could be the only other guy I could get excited about but would still rather trade down.  Devin Bush or Devin White?  Great player but plays a position I think we may be set in.  Unless they wanted the luxury of playing Edmunds at SLB and Bush/white ILB, Milano WLB.  Ehhh. 

 

Is there just ONE guy that you’re focusing on and hope that we get?  

But he was wearing a jacket on the sideline!!!

 

i agree that he is the player at 9 who has a chance to be the best player in the draft.  I would prefer a trade down but I could definitely live with him.

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I’m a little concerned about Oliver’s (under) size.  A DT at his size HAS to be dynamic and you have to realize that your run D is likely to suffer if you are playing a 280lb DT.

I realize it.  And I’m ok with it because of his potential as a pass rusher.  4th best player in the draft imo.  Wearing a jacket is his biggest con and will hopefully be the reason he’s a Bill.   I feel he can move around the line and play multiple techniques.  

[wagne591]

HOF DT John Randle played at 287lbs....in order for Oliver to play like a beast he needs a bigger motor and mor3driv3 imo.  

[CEN-CAL17]

Gary is intriguing. I can’t wait to see his combine #s.  I feel like he’s got untapped potential.... Otherwise he’ll be on a different team after 4 years.

 

I also like Jeffery Simmons.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, wagne591 said:

HOF DT John Randle played at 287lbs....in order for Oliver to play like a beast he needs a bigger motor and mor3driv3 imo.  

It’s also a much different nfl.  In 2010, there were 8 guys with 300 attempts (MJD had 299).  This year, there was 1.  One thing I worried about SM is he seems stuck in the past.  

[formerlyofCtown]

BPA

[EasternOHBillsFan]

NO... at this point, it's who I DON'T WANT... and that's Oliver. I did not like his childish stunt on the sideline over a jacket, combined with the fact we don't need to draft a DL so damn high. Anyone but that guy...

[formerlyofCtown]

44 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I’m a little concerned about Oliver’s (under) size.  A DT at his size HAS to be dynamic and you have to realize that your run D is likely to suffer if you are playing a 280lb DT.

Aaron Donald is 6'1" 280.  What type of 280 is it.  Is he riped.

Just now, EasternOHBillsFan said:

NO... at this point, it's who I DON'T WANT... and that's Oliver. I did not like his childish stunt on the sideline over a jacket, combined with the fact we don't need to draft a DL so damn high. Anyone but that guy...

Sorry but that doesnt bother me much.  I want Suh not McCargo.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

NO... at this point, it's who I DON'T WANT... and that's Oliver. I did not like his childish stunt on the sideline over a jacket, combined with the fact we don't need to draft a DL so damn high. Anyone but that guy...

Funny, Houston fired the coach.  

 

If a jacket bothers you that much, don’t dig too deep on past Bills teams.  There was a lot worse than hacker blowups.

[NoSaint]

Ultimately you win throwing the ball or effecting the passer. It’s got to either be a weapon for Allen or someone that is going to rush the passer.

 

as offensive lineman are slower to develop with limited contact in practice - give me vets to protect and snag a receiver or pass rusher top 10

[Alphadawg7]

48 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ed Oliver. We could line him up anywhere along the DL and let him wreak havoc.  Impact player.  

 

No chance Bosa, Q Williams or Josh Allen will be there.  

 

Anyone else isnt worth not trading down for ino.  The tackle options are solid, yet wouldn’t be BPA imo.  The DTs other than Oliver are good but not spectacular in my current opinion.  Ferrell could be the only other guy I could get excited about but would still rather trade down.  Devin Bush or Devin White?  Great player but plays a position I think we may be set in.  Unless they wanted the luxury of playing Edmunds at SLB and Bush/white ILB, Milano WLB.  Ehhh. 

 

There are quite a few I would be happy with at 9.  If a team identifies a player as one they covet, there is no wrong spot to take them.  Trade downs are great, but the reality is there are several factors when considering a trade to get the same player you would take at (in this scenario) #9.  

1. Is there anyone who wants to trade up to our spot?
2. Would we still be able to get one of our coveted players at the new draft spot if we trade down or are they expected to be gone before that pick?
3. If we trade down, is there someone else likely to try and leap frog us and draft the player we covet?

Now, there are a number of things working in our favor this year for a potential trade down

• Defensively top heavy, meaning our spot should be a good spot to nab a QB.
• Washington has a bad prognosis on Alex Smith, so we could be a perfect trade partner.
  • Additionally, Redskis are at 15 and if we covet a WR, there are no teams between 10 and 14 expected to draft a WR, so we should have our pick of one at 15.  
  • Furthermore, this is a deep WR class with the top 7 WRs all closely bunched up, so not likely someone will trade UP for one into picks 10-14 to leap frog us.  There isn't huge gaps between any of the grades of the top 7 WRs or so.  So less incentive to move up for one.  

So I am actually mocking the Bills to trade down with the Redskins at 15 and I think the pick will be a WR, and my choice (before the combines) right now is N'Keal Harry.  

[LSHMEAB]

11 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

NO... at this point, it's who I DON'T WANT... and that's Oliver. I did not like his childish stunt on the sideline over a jacket, combined with the fact we don't need to draft a DL so damn high. Anyone but that guy...

Really? I find it ridiculous that the coach went at him like that. The guy is presumably 22 years old. This is a terrible reason to avoid him IMO.

 

Not saying Oliver was totally in the right; just seems rather petty.

Edited January 29, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[CookieG]

49 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Not comparing talent, only weight...Aaron Donald has made a nice living moving up and down the d-line at around 280 lbs.

Aaron Donald also dominated in college. His last year at Pitt, he had over 2 dozen TFL's and about a dozen sacks.   And afterward, he showed up at the Senior Bowl and proved impossible to block.

 

There's a lot of 6' 2", 265 DE's...but that doesn't make them Bruce.

 

As a final note, Donald played very well since he came in the league. He's been a PB;er, or All Pro, since his 2nd year. And he's played on some good D's.

 

But they never had a winning record until they got their offense working.  

 

Fix the problem.

[Cripple Creek]

12 minutes ago, CookieG said:

Aaron Donald also dominated in college. His last year at Pitt, he had over 2 dozen TFL's and about a dozen sacks.   And afterward, he showed up at the Senior Bowl and proved impossible to block.

 

There's a lot of 6' 2", 265 DE's...but that doesn't make them Bruce.

 

As a final note, Donald played very well since he came in the league. He's been a PB;er, or All Pro, since his 2nd year. And he's played on some good D's.

 

But they never had a winning record until they got their offense working.  

 

Fix the problem.

Did you miss my first sentence?

 

And, Donald was chosen where? Your hindsight is blurring your vision.  If everyone knew he was superman like you did wouldn't he have been drafted higher.

[wppete]

Josh Allen

Rashan Gary

Ed Oliver

 

I can’t FN wait for the draft!!!!!!!!!

[CookieG]

4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Did you miss my first sentence?

 

And, Donald was chosen where? Your hindsight is blurring your vision.  If everyone knew he was superman like you did wouldn't he have been drafted higher.

Im not blinded by anything...

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/aaron-donald-1.html

 

2013

 

28 TFL

11 sacks.

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316422/article/pittsburghs-aaron-donald-looks-dominant-in-senior-bowl-drills

 

 

 

 

[buffaloaggie]

22 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

 

I can’t FN wait for the draft!!!!!!!!!

I say this way too often as a Bills fan...lol

[C.Biscuit97]

41 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Really? I find it ridiculous that the coach went at him like that. The guy is presumably 22 years old. This is a terrible reason to avoid him IMO.

 

Not saying Oliver was totally in the right; just seems rather petty.

It’s sad but some fans always blame the player. The coach was trying to rip his jacket off because he wasn’t playing.  He easily could have pulled himself or had anothe coach talk to him.  He was looking to embarrass him on national tv.

 

given all the things some players do, it seems little a petty think to knock a guy for when I don’t think he has ever had any other issues.

[Buffalo716]

I think Oliver is a good football player. I don’t think he’s Aaron Donald who was my #1 player in the draft 

 

he is versatile and athletically a freak, but will struggle against the run and it’s to be seen how he will hold up against nfl double teams 

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, CookieG said:

Im not blinded by anything...

 

 

No, you just ignore. And he was drafted where?

 

You still haven't acknowledged the first sentence in my OP of this thread.

[CommonCents]

Eric Metcalf’s cousin. 

[TigerJ]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Agree, and Gary is also small at 280.

My understanding is that Oliver actually played at abouyt 280 and is not as strong as Aaron Donald, the player to whom he has sometimes been compared.  Rashan Gary also played at 280, but is a couple inches taller.  Might he be able to carry an extra 20 lbs if he plays inside?  Speculation is that Oliver is maxed out as far as his playing weight is concerned.  The combine will tell a lot.

2 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Gary is intriguing. I can’t wait to see his combine #s.  I feel like he’s got untapped potential.... Otherwise he’ll be on a different team after 4 years.

 

I also like Jeffery Simmons.

I think some people under value Jeffery Simmons.  

[Nextmanup]

...the player we take at a pick lower than 9 because we traded down.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

20 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

My understanding is that Oliver actually played at abouyt 280 and is not as strong as Aaron Donald, the player to whom he has sometimes been compared.  Rashan Gary also played at 280, but is a couple inches taller.  Might he be able to carry an extra 20 lbs if he plays inside?  Speculation is that Oliver is maxed out as far as his playing weight is concerned.  The combine will tell a lot.

I think some people under value Jeffery Simmons.  

Because Simmons beats women.  But for the nfl, that really isn’t a red flag.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

No thanks.  No need for a DT. They need a pass rusher and almost every spot on offense over a DT.  Trade down. Get an OLB in the first round, and then take WR, TE, and OLx2.  Then just add some fillers - MLB, S, DB, P, and RB.

[TigerJ]

18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because Simmons beats women.  But for the nfl, that really isn’t a red flag.

The video was of a high school incident, actually, after he graduated, but before he made it to Mississippi State.  I don't condone it, but I also don't believe in taking away a guy's whole life because he did something stupid when he was a kid.  In the same incident, the girl was arrested for disturbing the peace, and Simmons has been a choir boy during his college career.  He was known for his volunteer work.

 

https://mississippitoday.org/2018/11/28/jeffery-simmons-a-story-of-redemption/

Edited January 29, 2019 by TigerJ

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

The video was of a high school incident.  I don't condone it, but I also don't believe in taking away a guy's whole life because he did something stupid when he was a kid.  In the same incident, the girl was arrested for disturbing the peace, and Simmons has been a choir boy during his college career.  He was known for his volunteer work.

Some things, I can’t overlook. That video is awful if he is a midget.  He is a monster beating a women.  It makes me sick that Joe Mixon is in the league.  The nfl’s priorities are so jacked up.

 

i don’t care about the Bills winning that badly where I can root for a guy like that.  Don’t worry, the Cowboys will give him a chance. 

[Misterbluesky]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Ed Oliver. We could line him up anywhere along the DL and let him wreak havoc.  Impact player.  

 

No chance Bosa, Q Williams or Josh Allen will be there.  

 

Anyone else isnt worth not trading down for ino.  The tackle options are solid, yet wouldn’t be BPA imo.  The DTs other than Oliver are good but not spectacular in my current opinion.  Ferrell could be the only other guy I could get excited about but would still rather trade down.  Devin Bush or Devin White?  Great player but plays a position I think we may be set in.  Unless they wanted the luxury of playing Edmunds at SLB and Bush/white ILB, Milano WLB.  Ehhh. 

 

Is there just ONE guy that you’re focusing on and hope that we get?  

The chances of the Beane Counter staying put are slim and none.The 85 million he has in savings will help,but remember what he said when he came here..

 "You have to build from the draft".

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

we should trade up for Josh Allen, just to confuse the *&%$ out of the announcers

[CookieG]

2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

No, you just ignore. And he was drafted where?

 

You still haven't acknowledged the first sentence in my OP of this thread.

I acknowledged it in my first post...I just gave it a  "so what"?

 

2 280 lb. guys who together didn't produce what Aaron Donald did in college.

But you're basing similarities because they all weigh 280lbs?

mmmkay

 

To answer your second question, Donald was drafted around 12th in 2014

 

Again, so what?

 

Is there a point here? If we draft either Gary or Oliver at 9, either one becomes Aaron Donald?

 

Because whoever it is..he'd weigh about the same and would actually be drafted higher?

 

I'm not seeing an actual point here.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Some things, I can’t overlook. That video is awful if he is a midget.  He is a monster beating a women.  It makes me sick that Joe Mixon is in the league.  The nfl’s priorities are so jacked up.

 

i don’t care about the Bills winning that badly where I can root for a guy like that.  Don’t worry, the Cowboys will give him a chance. 

So the Bills acquiring Kareem Hunt is a big NO???

[BruceVilanch]

6 hours ago, buffaloaggie said:

I say this way too often as a Bills fan...lol

Yeah I start getting excited around November most years.

[GunnerBill]

Ed Oliver is still the #2 player on my board with a potential elite grade. If he is there at #9 I'd turn the card in inside the first 30 seconds. 

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, CookieG said:

I acknowledged it in my first post...I just gave it a  "so what"?

 

2 280 lb. guys who together didn't produce what Aaron Donald did in college.

But you're basing similarities because they all weigh 280lbs?

mmmkay

 

To answer your second question, Donald was drafted around 12th in 2014

 

Again, so what?

 

Is there a point here? If we draft either Gary or Oliver at 9, either one becomes Aaron Donald?

 

Because whoever it is..he'd weigh about the same and would actually be drafted higher?

 

I'm not seeing an actual point here.

 

 

I think you're still missing it. His words were, "Not comparing talent, only weight".

 

And you immediately started talking about Donald's talent and production. And have continued to do so ever since, when he clearly was only trying to say that being effective at DT at 280 is very much possible.

 

Kyle Williams played very well at 303 and these days Oliver is listed at 295. Jay Ratliff was a four-time Pro Bowler and one-time All-Pro DT who played very well at many weights from 287 - 303 and just retired after the 2015 season.

Edited January 29, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Big Turk]

Unless some other guy is drafted and plays at a pro bowl or all-pro level and then you'd be happy with him.