YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 13 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Love me some NUKE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) Found this interesting (disappointing) Edited January 28, 2019 by junior12thman92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, junior12thman92 said: Found this interesting (disappointing) He replaced him with a lower salary in Leonard Johnson and then even lower in taron Johnson. I really like NRC as a person but from a football/business standpoint I didn’t think it made a difference on the field. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris from Rochester Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He replaced him with a lower salary in Leonard Johnson and then even lower in taron Johnson. I really like NRC as a person but from a football/business standpoint I didn’t think it made a difference on the field. Completely agree, liked how he played here but don't think we lost much when he left. I wished the Rams well even before I knew they were playing NE in the Super Bowl because of him and Robert Woods 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 That’s friggin awesome. He’s playing for all of us on Sunday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) I never really understood why he was let go. Only thing I can think of is some sort of size preference by McDermott, as I thought he was the type of guy who simply 'buys in' to whatever he's asked to do. While he isn't exactly big, to say the least, he was rarely out of position, and often close to making a play on the football. (Ints) Imho, he's an unnecessary victim of 'cleaning house' as far as the Bills go. Fortunately, one of McDermott's (and Beane's) strengths, is finding DBs he can coach up, so NRC's loss, hasn't hurt us, but I still find it a somewhat bemusing decision. Edited January 28, 2019 by Buddo Typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Now he’ll look even dumberer when he gets torched sunday. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Buddo said: I never really understood why he was let go. Only thing I can think of is some sort of size preference by McDermott, as I thought he was the type of guy who simply 'buys in' to whatever he's asked to do. While he isn't exactly big, to say the least, he was rarely out of position, and often close to making a play on the football. (Ints) Imho, he's an unnecessary victim of 'cleaning house' as far as the Bills go. ortunately, one of McDermott's (and Beane's) strengths, is finding DBs he can coach up, so NRC's loss, hasn't hurt us, but I still find it a somewhat bemusing decision. I do think it was his lack of size/speed. Nothing to do with Process/not buying in -( no indication of that anyway) He was a Playmaker in Rex’s D in terms of turnovers but also wasn’t effective in spots. He’s a great guy for sure but replaceable in the new scheme. Wade runs a different defense than McDermott. NRC often looks like he can’t cover good WR without committing PI (he won’t get away with that vs Edelman). I hope he does though! I don’t think Bills fans should look at as an emotional decision - he’s a likable player but it’s a business. I will be rooting for him on Sunday! Edited January 28, 2019 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 A 5'8" guy trying to cover a zone makes the windows bigger for a QB to hit and is therefore less effective in this scheme we play. He is better suited for a man defense like Wade plays. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He replaced him with a lower salary in Leonard Johnson and then even lower in taron Johnson. I really like NRC as a person but from a football/business standpoint I didn’t think it made a difference on the field. It might not have made much difference, but IMO it's an example of creating a hole where there didn't need to be one, then needing to sign and draft guys to fill it. If Leonard Johnson were just the same as NRC only cheaper, does it really make sense he's on his 6th NFL team since 2015? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 33 minutes ago, junior12thman92 said: Found this interesting (disappointing) Nuke was small, but he was a playmaker who had a nose for the ball and came up big when it counted the most. Disagree with those saying we didn't lose much when he was let go. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It might not have made much difference, but IMO it's an example of creating a hole where there didn't need to be one, then needing to sign and draft guys to fill it. If Leonard Johnson were just the same as NRC only cheaper, does it really make sense he's on his 6th NFL team since 2015? I don’t think he saw him as a great scheme fit, I anticipated he would be replaced. As a UDFA I think he’s done well for himself. It was actually Marrone who recommended the signing. He had played usc while coaching at Syracuse and noticed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Really liked NRC while he was a Bill and hope the Rams knock off the Pats*** Sunday, but is anyone really arguing he would have been a difference maker on the D the Bills have trotted out the past two seasons (whose strength has been their secondary) and calling out McD for making a "mistake?" Come on, people. There's plenty to question McD about (Peterman, Peterman, Peterman) without just looking for stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 54 minutes ago, Chris from Rochester said: Completely agree, liked how he played here but don't think we lost much when he left. I wished the Rams well even before I knew they were playing NE in the Super Bowl because of him and Robert Woods I'm rooting for Wade Phillips. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 "he will slowly start to reveal himself"....the guy's in the league for 19 years LOL. genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzboy54 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I have completely given up on Brady ever being bad at football. He will play until he is 50. I have succumbed to my New England overlords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I would love to see Nickell on a corner blitz cause a sack/fumble in a big spot. Also Woods with a big day. They're going to need Donald to have a big day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: He replaced him with a lower salary in Leonard Johnson and then even lower in taron Johnson. I really like NRC as a person but from a football/business standpoint I didn’t think it made a difference on the field. Exactly. Similar production at a smaller price tag. Excellent move. Robey-Coleman is awesome, but both him and the Bills have moved on. 5 minutes ago, elroy16 said: I would love to see Nickell on a corner blitz cause a sack/fumble in a big spot. Also Woods with a big day. They're going to need Donald to have a big day. I still root for Woods every time I watch him since he left the Bills. He always stepped up and played well with limited targets and was a selfless blocker. There are some former Bills I root to fail and some, like Woods and Robey-Coleman, that I love to see succeed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcard Weekend Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 33 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said: I have completely given up on Brady ever being bad at football. He will play until he is 50. I have succumbed to my New England overlords At least we are roughly 2/3 the way through his career. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: That's basically all McBeane have done to this point. Created a bunch of unnecessary holes and are just starting to fill them back with their "own" guys. Reallt interested to see how this offseason unfolds. They really need an influx of talent after they've decimated the team of it. Big offseason for these two. Hope they do it right.?? Oh scottlaw! 2 hours ago, junior12thman92 said: Found this interesting (disappointing) We all appreciate nrc, but let’s face it, he wasn’t terribly missed...at least not until this tweet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) I wish all the best for NRC and will be rooting for him on Sunday - especially considering the personal tragedy he went through. With that being said, he talked a lot during the interview and I just hope he can back it up Edited January 28, 2019 by BillyWhiteShows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Weren't process guys... now playing in the Super Bowl. Suckers.? Totally Agree.. Rams likely don't even make the playoffs without those two.. and the Bills would be in the Super Bowl.. Great call! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Get the Ring, NRC. You and Robert...please get the Ring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: That's basically all McBeane have done to this point. Created a bunch of unnecessary holes and are just starting to fill them back with their "own" guys. Please, do tell, what are all of these "unnecessary holes" they created? Did they force Incognito's breakdown and Wood's retirement? Did they not obtain draft capital necessary to go and get their QB by trading Cordy? Did they not bring in both Poyer and Hyde who are one of the league's best safety tandems? Did they not draft Matt Milano and Tre White, among others? There is ONE -- that's right, ONE -- area in which a person could reasonably argue McD and Beane "created" a hole. Wide receiver. That's it. This mantra being repeated by you and others is simply false. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Players need to be in a scheme that amplifies their talents and hides their weaknesses. It's been said that Nickell Robey-Coleman is a better fit in man-coverage than zone (like we play). Our coaching staff also puts a premium on tackling from the slot-corner position, and NRC is a little bit undersized. Don't get me wrong. I wish that more coaches made the effort to build scheme around players, and not vice-versa. But at the same time, no coach (even Bill Belichick) is going to cater his defensive system to fit his nickel cornerback. No doubt that NRC was a good player in Ryan's scheme. But the new staff was clearly skeptical about whether he could be good enough in theirs. At least Beane/McDermott are smart enough to realize what pieces are necessary to make this system work. Unlike Whaley/Ryan who never seemed on the same page, and were always trying to shove square pieces into round holes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: Please, do tell, what are all of these "unnecessary holes" they created? Did they force Incognito's breakdown and Wood's retirement? Did they not obtain draft capital necessary to go and get their QB by trading Cordy? Did they not bring in both Poyer and Hyde who are one of the league's best safety tandems? Did they not draft Matt Milano and Tre White, among others? There is ONE -- that's right, ONE -- area in which a person could reasonably argue McD and Beane "created" a hole. Wide receiver. That's it. This mantra being repeated by you and others is simply false. Exactly.... also I am a big fan of Dunne and think he’s a great writer. But like some fans, he doesn’t seem to dump on McDermott quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 6 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: That’s friggin awesome. He’s playing for all of us on Sunday. I'll be rooting for him 2 hours ago, eball said: Please, do tell, what are all of these "unnecessary holes" they created? Did they force Incognito's breakdown and Wood's retirement? Did they not obtain draft capital necessary to go and get their QB by trading Cordy? Did they not bring in both Poyer and Hyde who are one of the league's best safety tandems? Did they not draft Matt Milano and Tre White, among others? There is ONE -- that's right, ONE -- area in which a person could reasonably argue McD and Beane "created" a hole. Wide receiver. That's it. This mantra being repeated by you and others is simply false. I agree... though they did contribute to Incognito's breakdown. Contribute, not create it nor are they the main culprit, Richie is. But to this day I don't get the salary cut to a guy that was THE money player in the run game. If you can't tell they missed him big time this year, I don't know what game you are watching. Ask Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 No one cares about that scrub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jerome007 said: I'll be rooting for him I agree... though they did contribute to Incognito's breakdown. Contribute, not create it nor are they the main culprit, Richie is. But to this day I don't get the salary cut to a guy that was THE money player in the run game. If you can't tell they missed him big time this year, I don't know what game you are watching. Ask Shady. OMG! People still try to blame the Bills for RI being a lunatic. The man is completely unstable and was a 35 year old player who had no leverage. This reminds me of another guy who no matter how crazy he shows he is, people continue to make excuses for him. The fact that the Bills keep him sane for a few years is a miracle. He owes the Bills more than they owe him. And I love NRC. Dude is a playmaker and he was a great find (Whaley sucks!). I have no idea why he is talking about Brady. Not smart! Edited January 29, 2019 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Jobot said: Totally Agree.. Rams likely don't even make the playoffs without those two.. and the Bills would be in the Super Bowl.. Great call! Everybody knows the cornerstone to an nfl dynasty is a decent nickel corner and a sure handed WR2/3. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Get the Ring, NRC. You and Robert...please get the Ring. For the love of all things living...get the ***** ring! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 9 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Now he’ll look even dumberer when he gets torched sunday. So he will look dumb playing in the SB.? 9 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: A 5'8" guy trying to cover a zone makes the windows bigger for a QB to hit and is therefore less effective in this scheme we play. He is better suited for a man defense like Wade plays. Which why Darby was traded also. 6 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Get the Ring, NRC. You and Robert...please get the Ring. Keep "The Precious" away from Tom "Smeagol" Brady. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Jobot said: Totally Agree.. Rams likely don't even make the playoffs without those two.. and the Bills would be in the Super Bowl.. Great call! Do they play Oline. I thought it was a WR and CB. No Wood not Woods would have made a huge difference.? 5 hours ago, eball said: Please, do tell, what are all of these "unnecessary holes" they created? Did they force Incognito's breakdown and Wood's retirement? Did they not obtain draft capital necessary to go and get their QB by trading Cordy? Did they not bring in both Poyer and Hyde who are one of the league's best safety tandems? Did they not draft Matt Milano and Tre White, among others? There is ONE -- that's right, ONE -- area in which a person could reasonably argue McD and Beane "created" a hole. Wide receiver. That's it. This mantra being repeated by you and others is simply false. If you meane they have filled them with better priced guys and younger guys and upgrades in spots yes I agree. They fix the Oline this offseason and we will have the best team weve had since 99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 NRC reminds me of the Happy Days episode where Richie hits a miracle shot at the buzzer to win the basketball game, spends a week acting like he's the man, and then gets torched in the next game. There is almost zero chance this ends well for NRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 11 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said: For the love of all things living...get the ***** ring! And you know what, dammit, in my opinion Wade is an all time great defensive coordinator. I would love to see him get another ring with another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 10 hours ago, ScottLaw said: McDermott decimated a top 7 scoring offense. Their offense has been a complete disaster since he's become head coach due to a lot of just plain dumb decisions on his part. Your making excuses for them. They created a massive hole by trading Dareus mid season at which teams proceeded to run at will on us the next 3 games without him. They then gave a pretty mediocre player in Star a similar contract They didnt NEED to trade Glenn. Incognito and Wood retired in January. They had all offseason to fix that need. If you don't think this team is void of talent, specifically offensively then I don't know what to tell you. Umm, they inherited an offense lacking anything special in the QB room and one that saw three WRs leave via free agency (Woods, Goodwin, Hogan). They took a gamble on playing a 5th round pick (Peterman) who was an abject failure -- but let's not forget that pre-draft many considered him the most "NFL-ready" QB out there. And they went 9-7 and broke the playoff drought! Anyone with half a brain knew this year would be a step back as they continued to fix the Whaley draft/cap disaster. They whiffed on Benjamin. Jury's still out on Zay (but trending upwards). Allen looks like a stud and they finally put veterans around him. They found and developed Foster. Croom has emerged as a potential impact player at TE. They got Teller a bunch of playing time late last season. "The offense has been a complete disaster..." -- that's largely a product of QB play, and I bet you didn't know that over the final seven games of last season the offense put up an average of 363 yards and 25 pts/game? Of course they need to add talent -- that doesn't mean they "created holes." The roster was pretty bleak when McDermott walked into the building. He and Beane built the defense and have started on the offense -- the offense has just been a slower project. You think they could "fix" the OL last offseason? They had no money! If anything, McD has been extremely proactive in attempting to fix the offense -- he didn't allow the Dennison experiment to continue and got rid of two coaches (OL and ST) all of us knew needed to go. I laughed out loud at your Dareus comment. Did McBeane make mistakes? Of course! It's their first time in these positions, in case you forgot. Of all the players McBeane have let go over the past two years there is only one -- Bobby Woods -- I wish was still in Buffalo. Dareus is a lost cause, Sammy is still Mr. Boo-Boo Foot, and Hogan is a product of Belichick/Brady. I guess Goodwin has done well but by the time he left Buffalo nobody thought he could stay healthy either. Let's talk about Cordy Glenn -- another guy who wasn't able to stay healthy. By trading him the Bills could go get their QB as well as Edmunds. Everyone thought Dawkins was capable of manning the LT spot and while he struggled last year he's still a young player with potential. Those of us who take a long view have seen this as a 3-year project from day one. This "created holes" nonsense is your typical pessimistic b.s. because you don't personally agree with the decisions they made. If you view the McBeane era as a "continuation" of the Bills since 2000 you're not very perceptive. You say you don't take this stuff personally but you are obviously so battered from watching the "bad" Bills you're incapable of stepping back and taking a wider view of what this new regime is trying to accomplish. Look at the situation this organization is in right now -- a QB who looks and smells like a franchise guy, a sturdy defense, a clearly defined culture, loads of cap space and ten draft picks. You can't get behind that without saying you need to "wait and see?" Really? You enjoy making fun of my "predictions" without realizing that I rarely "predict" anything -- I just look at things from an optimistic perspective until the facts dictate otherwise. If you look at my posts over the years they follow a pretty predictable pattern...optimistic and hopeful during the offseason and into the regular season, then critical when things go south. I call that being a fan, and I don't blindly support every decision nor do I "make excuses" for failure. You're predictable as well -- you parrot the most downtrodden viewpoint at any given moment and claim to be "keeping it real." By the way, I still remember your prediction of gloom and doom for the Bills by allowing Mike Gillislie to be "stolen" by the Pats*** -- that was gold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Robey was much like Searcy. You appreciated what he offered to the team and was a better player then his replacement but he costs a bit too much to justify his worth. That aside, we wasted money on worse wrt both players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 NRC on Edelman. Thats going to be a long game for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 NRC is a nice guy, he plays hard, just please don’t put him on Edelman. They need to move Talib inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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