njbuff Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Would you want him and signing him makes Lawson a super sub? I don't think he will command the mega-contract that he was seeking last off season. But what do I know. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, njbuff said: Would you want him and signing him makes Lawson a super sub? I don't think he will command the mega-contract that he was seeking last off season. But what do I know. What do you think? I would totally be for a 3 year deal......3 yrs, 30 M. Its one of those deals you can do on the rookie QB timeline....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Hasn’t his play dropped off and doesn’t he have injury issues? Im not against it, but he feels like a lot like our signing of Star last year. More name than recent production. But also haven’t followed him closely lately, so not sure how accurate my impression of him is at this moment. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Hasn’t his play dropped off and doesn’t he have injury issues? Im not against it, but he feels like a lot like our signing of Star last year. More name than recent production. But also haven’t followed him closely lately, so not sure how accurate my impression of him is at this moment. That's why I am saying he will not command a huge contract. As long as it's not a big pay day. That's all I mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I would not personally want him. Might get flamed for it but I’d rather just keep Trent Murphy. Same player to me only ziggy would cost a lot more 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBacks Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Sign Clay Matthews on the cheap and move him back outside where he is most. Sign for a pass rusher and depth 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, Rc2catch said: I would not personally want him. Might get flamed for it but I’d rather just keep Trent Murphy. Same player to me only ziggy would cost a lot more I actually didn’t understand some of the Murphy hate. He had some injuries slow him down, but he wasn’t that bad when he was healthy and made some contributions. I am fine if he is on the roster this year personally. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 This was 2017.... There are questions about his true age. Not sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I don't believe he's the Ansah. I think our edge player is going to come in the first round of the draft and the rest of the resources will be spent on offense. 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Hmm 30 years old in May and has only played a full 16-game schedule twice in his career. He's a tremendous talent but keeping him on the field is a lottery ticket. I'd love to see him on the team at a reasonable salary but I think some team is going to break the bank for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 No I’ll pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I actually didn’t understand some of the Murphy hate. He had some injuries slow him down, but he wasn’t that bad when he was healthy and made some contributions. I am fine if he is on the roster this year personally. I agree I thought he played quite well. When healthy which wasn’t much this season he had good pressures consistently 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 ASJ... Ziggy Ansah... It's like everyone I wanted the Bills to draft is becoming a free agent. They already grabbed Matt Barkley. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 6 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: I don't believe he's the Ansah. I think our edge player is going to come in the first round of the draft and the rest of the resources will be spent on offense. I was thinking the same thing, but then I think about the available edge rushers in this draft. Cielen Ferrell. Ehhh. I’m scared of the Clemson Edge rushers. Rashaan Gary? His best fit in a 4-3 is 3 technique Polite? Ehhh...... I’d feel better about drafting him if we trade down. Sweat? Ditto, Ehhhhhh. Don’t see him BPA. I wouldn’t take any of those over Oliver. If Bosa or Josh Allen were in play I’d grab a DE. I don’t know if any of the other ends are worth the 9th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Isn’t this Lawson’s 4th year, aka picking up the 5th year option for a 1st rounder? He’s made good strides the last couple seasons, but if he’s deemed worthy of top 10 $$ for DE (which he isn’t), there’s little to nothing left to spend adding a FA of value here, imo. I think he knows his play is underwhelming, but it’s not his fault Rex’s kid was his college roommate and he’ll be getting a nice 2nd contract from somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I'm absolutely open to a pass rusher, but there's too many other good ones out there to toss big money at Ziggy. Just not consistent enough for me. If I'm going pass rusher in FA, I'm looking at Clowney, Lawrence, Graham, etc. That said, I think this is a great year to be drafting pass rushers in round 1 (interior or EDGE). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 11 hours ago, njbuff said: Would you want him and signing him makes Lawson a super sub? I don't think he will command the mega-contract that he was seeking last off season. But what do I know. What do you think? I'd rather try to make a run at DeMarcus Lawrence. Will probably be more expensive though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 11 hours ago, njbuff said: Would you want him and signing him makes Lawson a super sub? I don't think he will command the mega-contract that he was seeking last off season. But what do I know. What do you think? No question he can help us. But at what price? He is not worth perennial pro bowl money but would be a steal at 10 mill per year. He is an elite 4-3 End when healthy. Last year Detroit did a Rex Ryan switch on him from 4-3 to "multiple" and that did mess him up some. So he will be a better fit in our 4-3. In summary, he is a huge talent and is a perfect fit for our defense. But there are some health concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Isn’t this Lawson’s 4th year, aka picking up the 5th year option for a 1st rounder? He’s made good strides the last couple seasons, but if he’s deemed worthy of top 10 $$ for DE (which he isn’t), there’s little to nothing left to spend adding a FA of value here, imo. I think he knows his play is underwhelming, but it’s not his fault Rex’s kid was his college roommate and he’ll be getting a nice 2nd contract from somebody. I'm somewhat close to agreeing with your overall premise, but that whole "Rex's kid was his college roommate" thing is not really fair as it, with ample snark, implies he was ridiculously overdrafted, when in truth, unless the prognosticators were waaaaay off base compared to the scouts here, he actually came off the board late. I remember watching that draft from early on in the night; it took place in Chicago, who held the 11th pick, and the announcers noted the fans were chanting for him, so he wasn't exactly a mystery or even a dark horse. Awhile back, when I was getting a bit annoyed at this revisionism, I looked back at about a dozen mock drafts and the lowest he went in any of them was 19. I definitely would have reservations about them picking up his option, but could also see them doing it as McD seems to have taken to him and they might feel as it's worth the risk considering all the cap space, and worst case scenario he's off the books in 2021. That said, his value would seem to be more vs. the run and in containment, while, if he hits his peak, being an overall Lorax-style pain in the neck for an opposing offense. Adding an above average pass rusher might take this defense from above average to elite, and pass rushers might be the best value in both the FA open market and first round to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 He is done as a player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I actually didn’t understand some of the Murphy hate. He had some injuries slow him down, but he wasn’t that bad when he was healthy and made some contributions. I am fine if he is on the roster this year personally. People got over hyped on him. Many people pumped up the signing talking about what a great pass rusher he is, so a lot of fans expected 12 or more sacks out of him. I got blasted by a couple posters for telling them that he is only an average pass rusher and we shouldn't expect him to be this dominant force that they talked about. But I still think he is an effective pass rusher and can get some hurries. I think he'll stay, I just know we need more of a pass rush so want to sign somebody else too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly’sFinest Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Not a fan on paying for guys who have shown the inability to stay on the field. I’d rather spend more on a guy who you can count on 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 13 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: I don't believe he's the Ansah. I think our edge player is going to come in the first round of the draft and the rest of the resources will be spent on offense. i agree. i think they should look to do the best they can with picking an edge in the draft.....or if they hit on a penetrating dt high then look for a gem edge later. i think we'll be fine at end with rotating shaq / murphy and lorax. i also like yarbourgh in rotation with jerry. i think vast improvement can be made by being more creative.....but frazier's an old dog so hopefully mcd instills some more influence in that area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 7 hours ago, NewEra said: I was thinking the same thing, but then I think about the available edge rushers in this draft. Cielen Ferrell. Ehhh. I’m scared of the Clemson Edge rushers. Rashaan Gary? His best fit in a 4-3 is 3 technique Polite? Ehhh...... I’d feel better about drafting him if we trade down. Sweat? Ditto, Ehhhhhh. Don’t see him BPA. I wouldn’t take any of those over Oliver. If Bosa or Josh Allen were in play I’d grab a DE. I don’t know if any of the other ends are worth the 9th pick. I'd love for them to be zeroed in on Ferrell. This guy is going to be the real deal IMO. Remember that Cal QB nobody wanted because his predecessors failed? What's his face from the Packers?? Don't like Gary or Polite that high so Ferrell's availability/how the FO evaluates him will determine quite a bit. I'm starting to get a nagging feeling they'll take Gary. I'd rather go WR/OL if they don't like Ferrell or he's not there. We definitely need to add an athletic edge rusher whether it be through the draft or via FA'cy/cuts. Ansah is just so meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I'd love for them to be zeroed in on Ferrell. This guy is going to be the real deal IMO. Remember that Cal QB nobody wanted because his predecessors failed? What's his face from the Packers?? Don't like Gary or Polite that high so Ferrell's availability/how the FO evaluates him will determine quite a bit. I'm starting to get a nagging feeling they'll take Gary. I'd rather go WR/OL if they don't like Ferrell or he's not there. We definitely need to add an athletic edge rusher whether it be through the draft or via FA'cy/cuts. Ansah is just so meh. I'm with you on Ansah. He'll get some sacks but he doesn't put pressure on the QB consistently throughout a game. I don't know how we get one but I'd be willing to spend in FA or a high draft pick on someone that gets after the QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 14 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: I would totally be for a 3 year deal......3 yrs, 30 M. Its one of those deals you can do on the rookie QB timeline....... Speaking of that rookie QB timeline. If Allen has a breakout season, you will be giving him a new contract a lot sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Speaking of that rookie QB timeline. If Allen has a breakout season, you will be giving him a new contract a lot sooner. Yep, which is why now is the time to frontload a few deals while we can.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Isn’t this Lawson’s 4th year, aka picking up the 5th year option for a 1st rounder? He’s made good strides the last couple seasons, but if he’s deemed worthy of top 10 $$ for DE (which he isn’t), there’s little to nothing left to spend adding a FA of value here, imo. I think he knows his play is underwhelming, but it’s not his fault Rex’s kid was his college roommate and he’ll be getting a nice 2nd contract from somebody. Lol what? Do you watch college football? Shaq was a projected 1st rounder with or without Rex's kid. Are you a moderator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) No, is probably too old and he has had some injury concerns Edited January 27, 2019 by noacls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Not worth the money. Whens the last great pass pass rusher the Bills drafted? Dareus has 10+ sacks in a season buts it’s hard to count DT as a pass rusher (besides Donald). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Speaking of that rookie QB timeline. If Allen has a breakout season, you will be giving him a new contract a lot sooner. He is locked up for 4 more years thus no rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Not worth the money. Whens the last great pass pass rusher the Bills drafted? Dareus has 10+ sacks in a season buts it’s hard to count DT as a pass rusher (besides Donald). Sadly, Aaron Schobel is probably the best pass rusher we've drafted in 30 years. Bruce Smith was the last great one. QB's and pass rushers. That's what it's all about. We took a shot on a QB and hopefully he's the guy. Time to get a top pass rusher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: He is locked up for 4 more years thus no rush. Oh, you want to play it that way? If Allen becomes that franchise QB, you would make him wait out his rookie deal? Wouldn't it make more sense to lock him down as soon as possible? Edited January 27, 2019 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Sadly, Aaron Schobel is probably the best pass rusher we've drafted in 30 years. Bruce Smith was the last great one. QB's and pass rushers. That's what it's all about. We took a shot on a QB and hopefully he's the guy. Time to get a top pass rusher. Schobel never got the credit he deserved here. Played with a bunch of crap and always produced. Imagine what his numbers would have been opposite Bruce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Sadly, Aaron Schobel is probably the best pass rusher we've drafted in 30 years. Bruce Smith was the last great one. QB's and pass rushers. That's what it's all about. We took a shot on a QB and hopefully he's the guy. Time to get a top pass rusher. Mario Williams and it ain't close. Nearly 40 sacks in 3 years pre-Rex. But Schobel was a good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 44 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Mario Williams and it ain't close. Nearly 40 sacks in 3 years pre-Rex. But Schobel was a good player He said drafted though... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 6 hours ago, MJS said: People got over hyped on him. Many people pumped up the signing talking about what a great pass rusher he is, so a lot of fans expected 12 or more sacks out of him. I got blasted by a couple posters for telling them that he is only an average pass rusher and we shouldn't expect him to be this dominant force that they talked about. But I still think he is an effective pass rusher and can get some hurries. I think he'll stay, I just know we need more of a pass rush so want to sign somebody else too. He just needs to be healthy. The guy was on pace for 6 sacks with a fairly heavy rotation at the position. The talent is there for what he is making. $7 million a year isn't going to buy you a double digit sack year in and year out guy in today's NFL. Should never have been the expectation. Can he stay on the field, that's the real drawback with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 14 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Lol what? Do you watch college football? Shaq was a projected 1st rounder with or without Rex's kid. Are you a moderator? Put down the pipe. PS, bye Felicia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 6:25 PM, Alphadawg7 said: I actually didn’t understand some of the Murphy hate. He had some injuries slow him down, but he wasn’t that bad when he was healthy and made some contributions. I am fine if he is on the roster this year personally. I can't recall 1 impact play Murphy made last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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