YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Details the last 6 years of Haslam ownership. It’s fascinating. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide My look inside the dysfunction that has defined the Browns—from Hue telling Haslam to get “the f— out of my office,” to Haslam nicknaming Sashi Brown “Obama,” to porn accidentally projecting in the facility—and if it’ll redefine what Mayfield can transcend Edited January 24, 2019 by YoloinOhio 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 LOL. And people thought the Buffalo Bills were dysfunctional. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Quote A few days after promoting Brown, the team set out to find a new coach. They had spent hours trying to identify the ideal traits of successful coaches, whiteboarding, crunching statistics and debating candidate strengths and weaknesses. Many executives later described the meetings to associates as among the most inspiring and memorable of their Browns careers. Haslam would eat hard-boiled eggs and leave shell shards on the floor while firing off incisive questions and offering thoughtful opinions. He was known to occasionally doze off in long group meetings, but in these gatherings he was energized and engaged, stewarding the plan, leading discussions and then telling everyone to sleep on it before diving back in the next day. The ambition was contagious. The Browns felt they were building something special. Until it was time to commit to a coach.After a few rounds of interviews, the brass voted. It was 4-1 in favor of Sean McDermott, the Panthers' defensive coordinator, a coach who had crushed his interview and was known to be open to new ideas. Haslam voted for Hue Jackson, the former Raiders head coach and then-Bengals offensive coordinator. Jackson was a respected playcaller and teacher, especially with quarterbacks. Haslam told the group he felt Jackson could relate better to players. Jackson knew how hard it was to get a second chance as a head coach, and he was nervous about the rebuilding plan. He would later tell friends the team undersold him on the extremeness of the rebuilding plan, a charge that Browns executives found absurd, given the level of detail shared during the interview process. DePodesta wrote Haslam an email arguing that the Jackson hire went against many of the characteristics of successful coaches they had discussed. Brown met with Haslam -- there's always a race to be the last one to talk to Haslam before a big decision -- and told him he thought hiring Jackson would be a bad call. "I hear you," Haslam said. Then Haslam flew to Cincinnati and hired Jackson, who would report directly to ownership. In a span of 10 days, Haslam had fully committed to two opposing football philosophies, and whether he intended to or not, he had set himself up as the arbiter of future conflicts. Thank Goodness for Haslam or we wouldn’t have McDermott Edited January 24, 2019 by YoloinOhio 9 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dpberr Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 "DePodesta wrote Haslam an email arguing that the Jackson hire went against many of the characteristics of successful coaches they had discussed. Brown met with Haslam -- there's always a race to be the last one to talk to Haslam before a big decision -- and told him he thought hiring Jackson would be a bad call. "I hear you," Haslam said." In any field, a sign of a bad owner or manager is to go out of your way to hire intelligent people and then prevent them from doing the job you're paying them to do. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Hue saying “get the f*** out of my office” to the person who literally owns his office is the most Hue-ish thing ever 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: LOL. And people thought the Buffalo Bills were dysfunctional. we were... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) "He would later tell friends the team undersold him on the extremeness of the rebuilding plan, a charge that Browns executives found absurd, given the level of detail shared during the interview process." Jackson is the absolute worst. This guy has blamed everyone everywhere for his singular awfulness. Haslam is a complete moron hiring this guy when his entire staff said it was a mistake....a predictable disaster. Edited January 24, 2019 by Mr. WEO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "He would later tell friends the team undersold him on the extremeness of the rebuilding plan, a charge that Browns executives found absurd, given the level of detail shared during the interview process." Jackson is the absolute worst. This guy has blamed everyone everywhere for his singular awfulness. Haslam is a complete moron hiring this guy when his entire staff said it was a mistake....a predictable disaster. I like how Haslam hired the analytics guy and then completely ignored his analytics-based recommendations. Depodesta must be making a pile of cash to not have quit yet Edited January 24, 2019 by YoloinOhio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Good news for Browns fans is they're going to be a major player in the AFC for the next decade. I thought they were a playoff team last year if Hue wasn't the coach and Baker was starting. I expect them to win their division next year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I like how Haslam hired the analytics guy and then completely ignored his analytics-based recommendations. Depodesta must be making a pile of cash to not have quit yet Depodesta is lucky to have any job. His first job as GM in MLB lasted just 2 years with the Dodgers, where he was mocked as "Google Boy". Het got to a Mets team that would be in the NLCS that year, then it was a steady slide to years of wins in the 70's before they peaked in the WS the year before he left. The team then crashed and burned again. Luckily for the Browns. Mayfield was a pick that even that crew and owner could not screw up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Good news for Browns fans is they're going to be a major player in the AFC for the next decade. I thought they were a playoff team last year if Hue wasn't the coach and Baker was starting. I expect them to win their division next year. Mayfield has been good, but letting him choose the HC may have been a little premature (i like Kitchens btw, just saying the process raised some eyebrows). Depodesta wanted Stefanski. https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Baker-Mayfield-Browns-head-coach-Kevin-Stefanski-Freddie-Kitchens-127644466/Amp/ Edited January 24, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 37 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I like being on the other side of this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Wow. That's what I call a hostile work environment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Mayfield has been good, but letting him choose the HC may have been a little premature (i like Kitchens btw, just saying the process raised some eyebrows). Depodesta wanted Stefanski. https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Baker-Mayfield-Browns-head-coach-Kevin-Stefanski-Freddie-Kitchens-127644466/Amp/ Browns are gonna Brown, as long as Haslem reigns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Details the last 6 years of Haslam ownership. It’s fascinating. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide My look inside the dysfunction that has defined the Browns—from Hue telling Haslam to get “the f— out of my office,” to Haslam nicknaming Sashi Brown “Obama,” to porn accidentally projecting in the facility—and if it’ll redefine what Mayfield can transcend Whaley was there too? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Details the last 6 years of Haslam ownership. It’s fascinating. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide My look inside the dysfunction that has defined the Browns—from Hue telling Haslam to get “the f— out of my office,” to Haslam nicknaming Sashi Brown “Obama,” to porn accidentally projecting in the facility—and if it’ll redefine what Mayfield can transcend Wow. Thanks for this, Yolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I guess we don't have it so bad here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Thank Goodness for Haslam or we wouldn’t have McDermott Would McD have picked Cleveland over Buffalo? I have my doubts about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 The Browns used to be the cream of the NFL crop when they first entered the league...what a disaster for the most part since then! The Browns won a championship in their inaugural NFL season, as well as in the 1954, 1955, and 1964 seasons, and in a feat unequaled in any of the North American major professional sports, played in their league championship game in each of the Browns' first ten years of existence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns I suppose we don't have a whole lot of room talk with the drought and all, but still, they have taken awfulness to a record setting level of their own. Of course, their future looks very bright, so there's that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Hue's been a dick every place he's coached. All Haslam had to do was call USC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: Would McD have picked Cleveland over Buffalo? I have my doubts about that one. He wouldn’t have been available. He interviewed with the Browns in a previous hiring cycle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Hue saying “get the f*** out of my office” to the person who literally owns his office is the most Hue-ish thing ever He said it to Dorsey, not Haslam, but it was still Hue-ish. This is a great article, one of the best I've ever read on management dysfunction in pro sports. Just fascinating. Lots for me to process still. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Details the last 6 years of Haslam ownership. It’s fascinating. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide My look inside the dysfunction that has defined the Browns—from Hue telling Haslam to get “the f— out of my office,” to Haslam nicknaming Sashi Brown “Obama,” to porn accidentally projecting in the facility—and if it’ll redefine what Mayfield can transcend Yolo, you know I love you but you have to be kidding us. The heck with the story above, the real story is the second video that rolls after the Haslam story...John Fox stating the Bills are his team to make the biggest gains next season. He likes Beane and he thinks after clearing up the dead cap space the Bills will straighten out the OLine and the O in general. Key. To. The. City. Today!!! Edited January 24, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 fascinating read. Glad Haslam is a moron and left McD for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Details the last 6 years of Haslam ownership. It’s fascinating. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide My look inside the dysfunction that has defined the Browns—from Hue telling Haslam to get “the f— out of my office,” to Haslam nicknaming Sashi Brown “Obama,” to porn accidentally projecting in the facility—and if it’ll redefine what Mayfield can transcend Good grief. That is awful. Thanks for finding it. Pieces of that story made my skin crawl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Yolo, you know I love you but you have to be kidding us. The heck with the story above, the real story is the second video that rolls after the Haslam story...John Fox stating the Bills as his team to make the biggest gains next season. Hoe likes Beane and he thinks after clearing up the dead cap space the Bills will straighten out the OLine and the O in general. Key. To. The. City. Today!!! I was too focused past this part 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Would McD have picked Cleveland over Buffalo? I have my doubts about that one. Different seasons. The Bills job wasn't open at the time. We still had the trainwrex for one more year. Jackson was hired in 2016, McDermott by the Bills in '17 Edited January 24, 2019 by CLTbills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 37 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Mayfield has been good, but letting him choose the HC may have been a little premature (i like Kitchens btw, just saying the process raised some eyebrows). Depodesta wanted Stefanski. https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Baker-Mayfield-Browns-head-coach-Kevin-Stefanski-Freddie-Kitchens-127644466/Amp/ To be fair to Kitchens he's seemed to put together a really good coaching staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I was too focused past this part Thank God they didn't do a search on a "reach around tackle" or "3rd input running options" or "Cleveland steamer turnaround." Do you want more? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: To be fair to Kitchens he's seemed to put together a really good coaching staff Like I said, I like Kitchens. The process of their decision-making raised some eyebrows and rightfully so based on history. Edited January 24, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Like I said, I like Kitchens. The process of their decision-making raised some eyebrows and rightfully so based on history. Having a meddling bad owner <<<< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I was too focused past this part A. This is HILARIOUS B. In their defense, there's no other meanings attached to billsmafia and if you searched it, it may resemble a porno... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Details the last 6 years of Haslam ownership. It’s fascinating. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide My look inside the dysfunction that has defined the Browns—from Hue telling Haslam to get “the f— out of my office,” to Haslam nicknaming Sashi Brown “Obama,” to porn accidentally projecting in the facility—and if it’ll redefine what Mayfield can transcend After reading this, Haslam for me replaces the Jerry Jones/Snyder as the worst owner in the NFL. What a snake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: After reading this, Haslam for me replaces the Jerry Jones/Snyder as the worst owner in the NFL. What a snake. Really? He doesn’t seem evil (like Snyder), just incompetent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Really? He doesn’t seem evil (like Snyder), just incompetent. He’s really good at scamming truckers https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2014/07/14/jimmy-haslams-pilot-flying-j-cuts-deal-to-avoid-prosecution/amp/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Thank Goodness for Haslam or we wouldn’t have McDermott Even better was the follow-up "Haslam told the group he felt Jackson could relate better to players." Surprised they didn't mention if Haslam tried to have any input on drafting Mayfield - the lack of any mention of that probably shows Dorsey was able to have control and get the guys he wanted without meddling from the owner. Also, it seems Mayfield really hated Hue - seems like he probably had "input" into getting rid of him and with the Kitchens hire - but no real stories that got into that. Can you imagine a situation where the OC is walking around saying "1-31" to disparage the coach. That's pretty hard core dysfunction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Really? He doesn’t seem evil (like Snyder), just incompetent. Tell that to the FBI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Thank God they didn't do a search on a "reach around tackle" or "3rd input running options" or "Cleveland steamer turnaround." Do you want more? Well I was thinking the full "dogpound" would probably result in some interesting hits as well 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Really? He doesn’t seem evil (like Snyder), just incompetent. He's basically a criminal who managed to escape the hand of justice, no? https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/11/29/16715556/jimmy-haslam-cleveland-browns-pilot-flying-j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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