formerlyofCtown Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: No way they're taking Haskins. They hired KK ostensibly to work with Rosen, not anyone else. But as with everything, we shall see. Glad we dont have to hire a certain coach to work with our guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That's ridiculous. Tell him to get stepping and enjoy getting run over by guys literally twice as large as he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Like I said earlier, I wouldn’t draft the kid because he doesn’t love football. This just proves it. On 1/11/2019 at 2:28 PM, YoloinOhio said: Returning to OU would be dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: $15 million is not a huge commitment if you feel he is likely to be special but i would really not do it for a guy who is not all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 With rules in place that protect QBs football is better gig than baseball if you play Qb. If drafted in the first 15 picks hes getting close to 20 mil guaranteed. Including playoffs you work 6 months out of the year vs 8 or 9 in baseball. 18 to 20 games a year vs 162. Travel 10 weekends the rest of the time you are home. If he was a Rb or Wr or Cb and was taking contact in practice and games with the possibilities of playing special teams than I would say baseball but as a Qb I dont think its really close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Lmao. Cards throwing in the towel on Rosen already 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Murray declared today 2nd-3rd round? Different than what we heard before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 21 hours ago, whatdrought said: That's ridiculous. Tell him to get stepping and enjoy getting run over by guys literally twice as large as he is. Right? How good is he at baseball?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Murray declared today 2nd-3rd round? Different than what we heard before For the recored, I believe they told Mahomes he would be a 3rd or 4th round pick, but he decided to come out early anyways, in spite of the projection. Definitely not an exact science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 34 minutes ago, dneveu said: Right? How good is he at baseball?? Drafted number 9 means he's a TOP prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 21 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: $15 million is not a huge commitment if you feel he is likely to be special but i would really not do it for a guy who is not all in. ...he'd have to stand on a milk crate to hug Goodell.....pass........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: Drafted number 9 means he's a TOP prospect. Top 20 guys generally make the show and can be expected to be a solid starter. https://community.fangraphs.com/success-rate-of-mlb-first-round-draft-picks-by-slot/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Murray declared today 2nd-3rd round? Different than what we heard before If he's just a 2nd/3rd round pick, he'll go back to baseball. Woe is the team who actually drafts him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 On 1/10/2019 at 7:16 PM, CincyBillsFan said: If this actually happens it proves to me the NFL has gone officially bat feces crazy. I'm not a big Rosen fan and think the Bills got the right Josh but Arizona was a dumpster fire and to discard Rosen after this season seems insanely premature. To do it to draft either Haskins or Murray seems to me to be doubling down on crazy. Now if this were two years from now and the Clemson QB was coming out it might and I emphasize MIGHT be a smart move. Right now Arizona needs to trade away their #1 pick for as many draft picks as someone is willing to give them. Paraphrasing what was said in Animal House: "they need the dudes". If Kingsbury is convinced Rosen isn't the answer and Murray or Haskins will be great, why not pull the trigger? He who hesitates..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: If Kingsbury is convinced Rosen isn't the answer and Murray or Haskins will be great, why not pull the trigger? He who hesitates..... I think it would be a lot easier if the Cards had cleaned house and brought in a new GM too, but they kept their GM (when he’s not in jail) so he may be invested in that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I think it would be a lot easier if the Cards had cleaned house and brought in a new GM too, but they kept their GM (when he’s not in jail) so he may be invested in that pick. Yeah. Wasn't even aware of their GM situation. Doubt he's willing to admit to such a mistake even if Kingsbury isn't sold. Don't see it happening unless Kingsbury hates Rosen/loves one of the prospects and the owner has stripped the GM of all his power, which would be odd. Then again, we hired a coach and THEN fired the GM, so who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 I don't think Steve Keim is stupid enough to draft a 5'10" quarterback first overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Well this has turned into a big mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 My prediction in that they trade Rosen to the Steelers for Antonio Brown and draft Murray #1 overall. The Steelers get Big Ben’s heir apparent and the Cardinals not only get the franchise QB they want, they also get a top 5 receiver without breaking the bank. IF Murray turned out to be the real deal, it would make the Cardinals substantially better this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) I think they’re trying to use it to their advantage, trying to get someone to trade up for Murray. Edited March 1, 2019 by Dkollidas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Why would anyone trade for Rosen if the team that drafted him and knows him better than anyone thinks he isn't a franchise QB? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Huh Who is the THEY he is referencing? Twitter or the Cardinals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Who is the THEY he is referencing? Twitter or the Cardinals? No idea ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Who is the THEY he is referencing? Twitter or the Cardinals? They would advise you to not ask too many questions. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Who is the THEY he is referencing? Twitter or the Cardinals? On The Draft Network last night they mentioned Rosen claiming he was hacked. I guess the Russians like Kyler? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Why would anyone trade for Rosen if the team that drafted him and knows him better than anyone thinks he isn't a franchise QB? it's not that they don't think he can be one it's they think they can draft another one and get more talent around the new qb by trading rosen. It's possible they can get a first or more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 What could Arizona get in return for Josh Rosen? A 2nd round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: My prediction in that they trade Rosen to the Steelers for Antonio Brown and draft Murray #1 overall. The Steelers get Big Ben’s heir apparent and the Cardinals not only get the franchise QB they want, they also get a top 5 receiver without breaking the bank. IF Murray turned out to be the real deal, it would make the Cardinals substantially better this year. Is Murry better than Rudolph to the extent of making that trade? I mean, the Steelers have built their team around BIG Ben. And they're going to insert a 5'10" QB and think their scheme can just remain the same? And then to spend that money for AB's contract to boot? I don't see that happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, They said: They would advise you to not ask too many questions. This post is in the grandest of TSW tradition. I salute you, sir or madam. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Golic and Wingo are not the first guys to speculate on that. I would be a little surprised, but anything is possible, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 If they pick Kyler, they are taking him over Rosen AND Haskins. Ballsy... But if they evaluate Haskins or Murray to be better than Rosen, they should absolutely pull the trigger on the move. And I could see a team like New England / Pittsburgh / New Orleans / Chargers who should/are looking at long term replacement options and aren't likely to be in position to take a guy of Rosen's caliber, even if the shine is off a little bit giving them a 1st and maybe more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 I could see them doing it because so many of these coaches seem more interested in winning with their own guys rather than the players that were already in place, at least the big name players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Did we take the right Josh? 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, Doc said: Why would anyone trade for Rosen if the team that drafted him and knows him better than anyone thinks he isn't a franchise QB? Because the Pats** will turn him into a dink and dunk master like they did Brady and he'll be fast tracked for the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Is Murry better than Rudolph to the extent of making that trade? I mean, the Steelers have built their team around BIG Ben. And they're going to insert a 5'10" QB and think their scheme can just remain the same? And then to spend that money for AB's contract to boot? I don't see that happening Actually, in this scenario the Steelers would get Rosen, the Cardinals word get Murray and Antonio Brown. Many not normally happen in a vacuum, but the Steelers could consider it since Brown is forcing their hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, McBean said: Did we take the right Josh? Roll it out on the kitchen table. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: Because the Pats** will turn him into a dink and dunk master like they did Brady and he'll be fast tracked for the HOF. Separate topic, but I think the Pats* may draft Daniel Jones from Duke and I would not like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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