Game of Thrones - And Now Our Watch Has Ended!

[TPS]

1 hour ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

They're doing the next Star Wars trilogy.

No wonder they need to end this thing! 

[PIZ]

5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 

Bran says he's not a Stark any longer.   Two and a half Starks and a Three Eyed Raven.  

 

 

 

1 Targaryen.  (Dany).

 

2 Starks.  (Arya and Sansa).

 

1 Stark / Targaryen.  (Jon Snow).

 

1 Lannister / Targaryen.  (Tyrion).

 

1 Three Eyed Raven.  (Bran).

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

1 Targaryen.  (Dany).

 

2 Starks.  (Arya and Sansa).

 

1 Stark / Targaryen.  (Jon Snow).

 

1 Lannister / Targaryen.  (Tyrion).

 

1 Three Eyed Raven.  (Bran).

 

You'd have thought Bran could "look and see" if Tyrion was actually a Lannister / Targaryen

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

You'd have thought Bran could "look and see" if Tyrion was actually a Lannister / Targaryen

 

I don't think Tyrion is a Targ.

 

Aside from the fact that Tywin called him his son multiple times, and the fact that Dinklage himself shot it down in an interview last year (https://www.elitedaily.com/p/the-tyrion-targaryen-game-of-thrones-theory-was-officially-shut-down-by-peter-dinklage-11996512) there's the whole "Martin speak" thing that lent much credence to the idea that Jon wasn't Ned's son.

 

https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1202/

 

5. Since all of their mothers died, who gave Jon Snow, Daenerys Targaryen and Tyrion Lannister their names?

Mothers can name a child before birth, or during, or after, even while they are dying. Dany was most like named by her mother, Tyrion by his father, Jon by Ned.

 

The above quote from Martin was often referenced amongst readers as evidence that Jon wasn't Ned's son.  I mean, he drew the line pretty clearly there; Dany's mother, Tyrion's father, and Ned (not "Jon's father").

 

Clearly he chose his words carefully.

[snafu]

6 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I'd honestly rather have had less of the battle scenes and more of the character developments these past 2 seasons.

 

Agreed.  A lot of what has made the books and series good were the ways in which battles were avoided rather than fought.  I get it that these last two battles were inevitable.  Actually, one was a battle then the other was not -- more like a slaughter.

 

 

6 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I don't think anyone is saying that the burning of King's Landing wasn't likely. It wasn't a surprise as such.

 

The burning of Kings Landing was as likely as not.  It was not a given even up to the time before the Night King was defeated.  Only then did she notice how Jon was revered, and his claim sealed her fate.  Even when Tyrion begged her to call off the attack if the bells started ringing, she gave a tepid assent.  When she was sitting on her dragon listening to the bells, she almost relented.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

25 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I don't think Tyrion is a Targ.

 

Aside from the fact that Tywin called him his son multiple times, and the fact that Dinklage himself shot it down in an interview last year (https://www.elitedaily.com/p/the-tyrion-targaryen-game-of-thrones-theory-was-officially-shut-down-by-peter-dinklage-11996512) there's the whole "Martin speak" thing that lent much credence to the idea that Jon wasn't Ned's son.

 

https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1202/

 

5. Since all of their mothers died, who gave Jon Snow, Daenerys Targaryen and Tyrion Lannister their names?

Mothers can name a child before birth, or during, or after, even while they are dying. Dany was most like named by her mother, Tyrion by his father, Jon by Ned.

 

The above quote from Martin was often referenced amongst readers as evidence that Jon wasn't Ned's son.  I mean, he drew the line pretty clearly there; Dany's mother, Tyrion's father, and Ned (not "Jon's father").

 

Clearly he chose his words carefully.

Neither do I.   but they had left that storyline questionable with Tywin's comments. 

 

 

FWIW Lyanna's named for her son.  Ned used Jon to hide the truth.

 

I was kind of disappointed that Damphair never made it into the TV show as he was portrayed in the books as a competitor to Euron.

 

Griff of the Golden Company really never developed enough to merit an entrance.  

[thebandit27]

20 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Neither do I.   but they had left that storyline questionable with Tywin's comments. 

 

 

FWIW Lyanna's named for her son.  Ned used Jon to hide the truth.

 

I was kind of disappointed that Damphair never made it into the TV show as he was portrayed in the books as a competitor to Euron.

 

Griff of the Golden Company really never developed enough to merit an entrance.  

 

He's in the show...for about 5 minutes...

 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4283028/characters/nm0269923

[May Day 10]

Damphair wasnt a competitor.  He was/is a prophet who doesn't want Euron to sit the Seastone Chair because he is not a holy man/doesnt worship the Drowned God (and his crew is filled with mute mongrels from all over the world).  I like Damphair's character (although many see him as dull)

 

Victarion, the other brother, who was the commander of the Iron Fleet, was the primary contender for the Seastone Chair.  Asha/Yara was another competitor (while Reek/Theon is out there with technically the best mainland law claim).

 

They skipped right over the Griff/Jon Connington and Young Griff/Aegon storyline, and I can see why (unless this proves to be some major shift in plot in the Winds of Winter).  This was part of the cumbersome 'bulk' that was added in Dance With Dragons that is probably the reason we have an 8 year delay (so far) between books.  

 

Edited May 15, 2019 by May Day 10

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

20 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

He's in the show...for about 5 minutes...

 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4283028/characters/nm0269923

 

I thought that was him but the diminished role and actor choice IMO sucked.  

16 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Damphair wasnt a competitor.  He was/is a prophet who doesn't want Euron to sit the Seastone Chair because he is not a holy man/doesnt worship the Drowned God (and his crew is filled with mute mongrels from all over the world).  I like Damhair's character (although many sees him as dull)

 

Victarion, the other brother, who was the commander of the Iron Fleet, was the primary contender for the Seastone Chair.  Asha/Yara was another competitor (while Reek/Theon is out there with technically the best mainland law claim).

 

They skipped right over the Griff/Jon Connington and Young Griff/Aegon storyline, and I can see why (unless this proves to be some major shift in plot in the Winds of Winter).  This was part of the cumbersome 'bulk' that was added in Dance With Dragons that is probably the reason we have an 8 year delay (so far) between books.  

 

 

ehhh semantics  LOL   

He didn't want Euron to succeed. Damhair's character in the books was much more interesting (from what I recall)

or maybe I'm confusing him and Victarion (who never appeared int he TV show).

 

And what of Euron's horn that supposedly could control dragons (which killed one guy that blew on the horn).  

Euron wanted to marry Dany and get her pregnant and not Cersei. 

 

Edited May 15, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[K-9]

2 hours ago, PIZ said:

 

1 Targaryen.  (Dany).

 

2 Starks.  (Arya and Sansa).

 

1 Stark / Targaryen.  (Jon Snow).

 

1 Lannister / Targaryen.  (Tyrion).

 

1 Three Eyed Raven.  (Bran).

 

 

And only one of them is ice and fire. 

[/dev/null]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

As a wildling, Tormund isn't much for adhering to monarchy rules of succession. 

 

But he is also loyal to his friends and quite fond of his "little crow"

[GoBills808]

7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

'Game of Thrones' Ratings: Penultimate Episode Is Most-Watched in Series History

The episode was watched by 12.48 million viewers during its initial broadcast, which handily trumps the previous record of 12.07 million, held by the season 7 finale. Given the colossal numbers put up by “The Bells,” an episode which divided opinion among fans and critics, one would expect that the series finale of the HBO behemoth will steal the viewership crown.

 

 

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destined to kill the one he loves

 

Also scored a record low 47% rating on Rotten Tomatoes fwiw

[GoBills808]

 

??

https://streamable.com/tanow

 

dang

[Reed83HOF]

20 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

I blame lots of people, including Martin.  Mostly, though, whichever bean-counters decided to end with a truncated final two seasons.  It's lazy writing, but the single biggest contributing factor is probably the need to truncate the story to fit the schedule.

IIRC, it wasn't the Beane counters - HBO actually want more GOT, it was D&D who wanted out and decided that they would take the 13 episodes in seasons 7 & 8 and shoe horn it into a scripted ending. 

 

I read somewhere on the inter-webs, (this is extremely condensed) that GRR wrote the story to grow organically, he would create a gardening bed and place the characters in a situation and ask, how would they react and that is what he wrote. It was very organic, that is what in essence created the depth and all of the various plots and character arcs and the story would grow with many branches and twists and turns; it also became a B word to manage (apparently the other way to write a story is to have a very rigid framework that you follow all the way through). Once the decision was made to end the series D&D knew the ending they wanted and gave themselves 13 episodes to move the characters along to be able to fit the ending, which in essence is the rigid framework method. That is what has made the last couple seasons seem less cohesive overall and gets us to where we are today.

[GETTOTHE50]

24 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

??

https://streamable.com/tanow

 

dang

 

Its like they are trolling the fans just because they can. They are asshats 

[stony]

15 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

IIRC, it wasn't the Beane counters - HBO actually want more GOT, it was D&D who wanted out and decided that they would take the 13 episodes in seasons 7 & 8 and shoe horn it into a scripted ending. 

 

I read somewhere on the inter-webs, (this is extremely condensed) that GRR wrote the story to grow organically, he would create a gardening bed and place the characters in a situation and ask, how would they react and that is what he wrote. It was very organic, that is what in essence created the depth and all of the various plots and character arcs and the story would grow with many branches and twists and turns; it also became a B word to manage (apparently the other way to write a story is to have a very rigid framework that you follow all the way through). Once the decision was made to end the series D&D knew the ending they wanted and gave themselves 13 episodes to move the characters along to be able to fit the ending, which in essence is the rigid framework method. That is what has made the last couple seasons seem less cohesive overall and gets us to where we are today.

This is correct from what I've read.   

[Doc]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

 

??

https://streamable.com/tanow

 

dang

 

More like they think Dany forgot about Euron's fleet.

[/dev/null]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

 

??

https://streamable.com/tanow

 

dang

 

yeah, she just kinda forgot about the fleet that totally rekt her original plan to take Kings Landing

[Doc Brown]

12 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

'Game of Thrones' Ratings: Penultimate Episode Is Most-Watched in Series History

The episode was watched by 12.48 million viewers during its initial broadcast, which handily trumps the previous record of 12.07 million, held by the season 7 finale. Given the colossal numbers put up by “The Bells,” an episode which divided opinion among fans and critics, one would expect that the series finale of the HBO behemoth will steal the viewership crown.

 

 Azor Ahai is

 

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destined to kill the one he loves

That's another thing that they rushed was Dany and Jon's relationship.  Contrast that with Jon and Ygritte's and it's not even close.

 

I know some people so angry that they're refusing to watch the final episode because of what they did to Dany.  Talk about emotionally invested in a show.  Geez.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

That's another thing that they rushed was Dany and Jon's relationship.  Contrast that with Jon and Ygritte's and it's not even close.

 

I know some people so angry that they're refusing to watch the final episode because of what they did to Dany.  Talk about emotionally invested in a show.  Geez.

Lol.   Angry?  

 

Thats just dumb 

 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Lol.   Angry?  

 

Thats just dumb 

 

Thousands of Angry Game of ThronesFans Call on HBO to Remake Season 8

 

 

Remake Game of Thrones Season 8 with competent writers,” demands a change.org petition that has drawn more than 40,000 signatures—and counting.

It’s no secret that a lot of fans are not loving the way the HBO drama’s final season is unfolding—and now, droves of them are calling on the premium cabler to invest millions to remake the season from the ground up. “David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have proven themselves to be woefully incompetent writers when they have no source material (i.e. the books) to fall back on,” the petition reads. “This series deserves a final season that makes sense. Subvert my expectations and make it happen, HBO!”

Week after week, fans have lamented the plot twists and aesthetic details of each successive episode: the lighting, poorly conceived character deaths, interactions between characters that didn’t quite land right, and character twists that seemed like utter betrayals of years’ worth of storytelling. But no matter how strong viewer hatred for Season 8 may be, it seems impossible to imagine that HBO would ever remake an entire season of television—especially one that is already perhaps the most expensive season in the history of the medium. Also, Thrones fans might want to remember that HBO, of all platforms, is plenty familiar with controversial endings—so droves of outraged fans are unlikely to worry the premium cabler much.

[/dev/null]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Thousands of Angry Game of ThronesFans Call on HBO to Remake Season 8

 

 

Remake Game of Thrones Season 8 with competent writers,” demands a change.org petition that has drawn more than 40,000 signatures—and counting.

It’s no secret that a lot of fans are not loving the way the HBO drama’s final season is unfolding—and now, droves of them are calling on the premium cabler to invest millions to remake the season from the ground up. “David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have proven themselves to be woefully incompetent writers when they have no source material (i.e. the books) to fall back on,” the petition reads. “This series deserves a final season that makes sense. Subvert my expectations and make it happen, HBO!”

Week after week, fans have lamented the plot twists and aesthetic details of each successive episode: the lighting, poorly conceived character deaths, interactions between characters that didn’t quite land right, and character twists that seemed like utter betrayals of years’ worth of storytelling. But no matter how strong viewer hatred for Season 8 may be, it seems impossible to imagine that HBO would ever remake an entire season of television—especially one that is already perhaps the most expensive season in the history of the medium. Also, Thrones fans might want to remember that HBO, of all platforms, is plenty familiar with controversial endings—so droves of outraged fans are unlikely to worry the premium cabler much.

 

Holy f*king snowflakes 

 

#notmyseason8

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Thousands of Angry Game of ThronesFans Call on HBO to Remake Season 8

 

 

Remake Game of Thrones Season 8 with competent writers,” demands a change.org petition that has drawn more than 40,000 signatures—and counting.

 

It’s no secret that a lot of fans are not loving the way the HBO drama’s final season is unfolding—and now, droves of them are calling on the premium cabler to invest millions to remake the season from the ground up. “David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have proven themselves to be woefully incompetent writers when they have no source material (i.e. the books) to fall back on,” the petition reads. “This series deserves a final season that makes sense. Subvert my expectations and make it happen, HBO!”

 

Week after week, fans have lamented the plot twists and aesthetic details of each successive episode: the lighting, poorly conceived character deaths, interactions between characters that didn’t quite land right, and character twists that seemed like utter betrayals of years’ worth of storytelling. But no matter how strong viewer hatred for Season 8 may be, it seems impossible to imagine that HBO would ever remake an entire season of television—especially one that is already perhaps the most expensive season in the history of the medium. Also, Thrones fans might want to remember that HBO, of all platforms, is plenty familiar with controversial endings—so droves of outraged fans are unlikely to worry the premium cabler much.

 

Did I say just dumb?

 

I was too kind.  

 

F'ing IDIOTS 

 

Edited May 16, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

I thought Dany couldn't have any more children?   Her unsullied are multiplying like rabbits.  

 

 

[LeviF]

52 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I thought Dany couldn't have any more children?   Her unsullied are multiplying like rabbits.  

 

 

 

She just takes all the civilian boys she didn't kill and castrates them for the photo op.

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Did I say just dumb?

 

I was too kind.  

 

F'ing IDIOTS 

 

 

Meh, it's probably a coping mechanism for people that can't handle the disappointment that the series is ending.  Maybe if they trash the show and stomp their feet enough they'll convince themselves that they never really liked it to begin with, and then they won't feel as bad when it ends.

 

50 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I thought Dany couldn't have any more children?   Her unsullied are multiplying like rabbits.  

 

 

 

I don't know, there's maybe 2-3k unsullied in that photo.  She started with 8k, plus the ones that hadn't completed training, so maybe 10k.  Doesn't seem all that crazy.

[May Day 10]

I was on the Forum of Ice and Fire early in the week and was taken aback by the seemingly unanimous venom towards the show.

 

I have been critical, and feel a definite downgrade the past 2 seasons... but there is still more good than bad.  For example, I did not like Dany's character progression to be compelled to perform those actions in S8, E5... but regardless, the thing was visually spectacular.

[Jerry Christ]

The show is the best for making you hate or love a character and reverse your perspective on them within seconds at times.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Meh, it's probably a coping mechanism for people that can't handle the disappointment that the series is ending.  Maybe if they trash the show and stomp their feet enough they'll convince themselves that they never really liked it to begin with, and then they won't feel as bad when it ends.

 

 

I don't know, there's maybe 2-3k unsullied in that photo.  She started with 8k, plus the ones that hadn't completed training, so maybe 10k.  Doesn't seem all that crazy.

 

Yeah, I know but come on ...   man up    lol 

 

She supposedly lost half of here forces... 

How did they all fit inside Winterfell to begin with?     

 

I'm just having some fun with the people that thought the WW decimated both armies.  

1 hour ago, May Day 10 said:

I was on the Forum of Ice and Fire early in the week and was taken aback by the seemingly unanimous venom towards the show.

 

I have been critical, and feel a definite downgrade the past 2 seasons... but there is still more good than bad.  For example, I did not like Dany's character progression to be compelled to perform those actions in S8, E5... but regardless, the thing was visually spectacular.

 

Ad yet THEY will all watch (so they can complain some more) 

Edited May 16, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[LeGOATski]

I've "suffered" through plenty of great shows that didn't end well. 

 

I'm basking in the spectacle and appreciating the impression this show has made on me. There's no difficulty in sticking with it for the end.

 

While easily accomplishing it's humorous intentions, part of that petition also respresents the height of self-righteous fandom.

[Rockpile233]

People are nuts. I’m not in love with this season for many of the reasons we have hashed out, but it’s still incredible entertainment.

 

Hated how the night king story arc ended, but The Long Night was one of the most entertaining episodes of television I’ve ever watched. 

 

Last week was amazing. Wish we had more development to get there, but once again just incredible television (especially Arya/Clegane scenes).

 

I’ll try to appreciate however it ends. I would put money on Martin never finishing the books, so I think this is the only ending we get.

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

I don't think this thread got posted in here, but it's a good take on the difference between writers (D&D v GRRM) and the realities of TV vs Books. 

 

(long but worth the read)

 

[frostbitmic]

`My daughter turned me onto the show back in March of last year and we've gotten through it all with about a month before season 8 began.

 

All I can say is that I've loved almost every minute of it and loved the last episode.

 

I hope anyone other than Sansa sits on the throne. I don't care for or trust her character ... I'm guessing she'll kill John Snow/Targaryan.

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I was on the Forum of Ice and Fire early in the week and was taken aback by the seemingly unanimous venom towards the show.

 

I have been critical, and feel a definite downgrade the past 2 seasons... but there is still more good than bad.  For example, I did not like Dany's character progression to be compelled to perform those actions in S8, E5... but regardless, the thing was visually spectacular.

These are people that reread the books and spend years coming up with different theories.  If you're that emotionally invested in something you're bound to be disappointed.

2 hours ago, Rockpile233 said:

People are nuts. I’m not in love with this season for many of the reasons we have hashed out, but it’s still incredible entertainment.

 

Hated how the night king story arc ended, but The Long Night was one of the most entertaining episodes of television I’ve ever watched. 

 

Last week was amazing. Wish we had more development to get there, but once again just incredible television (especially Arya/Clegane scenes).

 

I’ll try to appreciate however it ends. I would put money on Martin never finishing the books, so I think this is the only ending we get.

If he hasn't started A Dream of Spring yet then he'll pry be writing the final book well into his 80's (he's 70 now) so I give it a 50/50 chance.

[May Day 10]

I have read the books... some of them more times than Id like to admit.  I feel a strong attachment to the story, world, and characters....

 

I don't know....  I guess I'm at the place where I consider the screen and print versions separate.  I have faith that (if he finishes) GRRM will better develop a lot of things that 'bother' me.  I watch the show, and I'm like.... "OK, this is their version".  

 

While I have plenty of criticisms, I dont think anything is a 'story killer' or even close to that.   It is still a great show, even post-book content.

 

 

I am also used to watching adaptations of Stephen King's books.  Im used to about a 1 out of 10 on the scale of quality adaptations.

[Bad Things]

It seems like nowadays, people just have to find something to complain about.

 

I get it... the show is closing up too fast, and the writers did F some things up.  (Jamie's character arc and ending the Night King storyline way too simply.)  That said, it's still the best television I've ever watched.

[Heitz]

They should have just dropped this as Season 8:

 

 

I'm guessing Nuno ends up on the Throne...

 

??

 

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Yeah, I know but come on ...   man up    lol 

 

She supposedly lost half of here forces... 

How did they all fit inside Winterfell to begin with?     

 

I'm just having some fun with the people that thought the WW decimated both armies.  

 

Ad yet THEY will all watch (so they can complain some more) 

Well I sure am questioning it!

 

In the WW fight.....it looked like just about everyone literally got wiped out......for christ sake you had undead roaming the halls of the castle unabated?

 

 

[/dev/null]

Petition is up over half a million now.

 

I encourage the aggrieved to boycott the finale, lessening HBO's server usage and bandwidth thus decreasing the chance of it buffering while the rest of us watch

[eball]

After a few days I’ve come to accept the sentiment that in a perfect world some of these story arcs could have been more deliberately developed, and the end of the series has been rushed out of a forced necessity. 

 

That said — coming from a non-book reader — I don’t have a “problem” with how the season has progressed because I don’t think they’ve done anything with the characters that is a complete surprise. 

 

I think they’ve certainly done a good job of preserving the mystery of what will happen in the finale.