Game of Thrones - And Now Our Watch Has Ended!

[DC Tom]

17 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Just a guess, but Varys removed his signet ring

 

For those unfamiliar with the concept, a signet ring is a ring with a personalized emblem/seal.  In the days before email and Twitter, people wrote letters to one another.  To verify a letter has not been read by anyone but the intended recipient, the sender would pour a wax seal over the folds.  If the seal was broken the letter had been intercepted and read by another.  Before the wax solidified the author would place their signet ring in the hot wax, making an impression that serves as a signature.  So when the recipient gets the letter they know who it was from.

 

So by leaving his signet ring for Tyrion to find, Varys has given Tyrion cover to send ravens announcing the true lineage of Jon Snow.  Anyone who receives the message will think the message came from Varys.  When Dany learns of the ravens, she cannot link the letters back to Tyrion

 

The sort of thing that would make an excellent story arc if there were more than one episode left. 

1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

 

There are even more examples, she talks about the entire duration of the show. It's subtle but it's definitely there. No clue how everyone had an issue with the last episode, it was fantastic.

 

Because character definition and foreshadowing are not character development.

 

Just because Dany's turn was foreordained, doesn't excuse not exploring the turn.  It's lazy, hack writing.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, /dev/null said:

 

So you want Game of Thrones to end like Blackadder?

 

I'm talking All Quiet on the Western Front style level10 misery and despair. End boss death/desolation and just let the peons inherit the earth. These inbred ruling families always ruin everything anyway.

 

 

[eball]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Just because Dany's turn was foreordained, doesn't excuse not exploring the turn.  It's lazy, hack writing.

 

 

I’m not defending the show but what more was there to “explore?” As I noted above we systematically watched everyone close to Dany - those who tried to suppress her violent tendencies - fall by the wayside, one by one. 

 

I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of why she “turned” and didn’t need further explanation. I believe if Jon had acquiesced to a romantic relationship that was the only chance to avoid what happened. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Harry Stricklands horse 

 

 

Or 

Revelation in the Bible:

"I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him."

[Bad Things]

On 5/14/2019 at 5:48 AM, GoBills808 said:

From Twitter: apparently a bunch of people who named their daughter either Daenerys or Khaleesi in the last odd-decade are freaking out?

I work with a guy that named his daughter Arya a couple years ago. 

I wonder if anyone out there has named their baby Hodor?

 

[SDS]

2 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

The sort of thing that would make an excellent story arc if there were more than one episode left. 

 

Because character definition and foreshadowing are not character development.

 

Just because Dany's turn was foreordained, doesn't excuse not exploring the turn.  It's lazy, hack writing.

 

Shouldn’t you blame Martin for this? Afterall, it seems you are asking the showrunners to be as skilled as telling the story as Martin. 

 

They are wrapping things sooner than would be ideal, but maybe these people want to get on with their lives.

 

If they made four more episodes, we would probably have had to wait another 5 months to even begin the season. 8 or 9 months if you wanted 10 from season 7. 

[mrags]

I’m not really sure why everyone is linking the white horse with death. It’s not. The white horse is conquest, victory or pestilence. 

 

The PALE horse is death and is considered green, greenish-yellow in color. 

 

Besides, just stop. They don’t mean anything in this show. It simply shows a peaceful white horse in a situation of great destruction around it. Arya sees that horse as her transformation from assassin/killer to peaceful and done with her ways. She has ridden off. Most likely you will see her be at ease. Her list has been completed either by her or someone else. I wouldn’t be shocked to see her end up with Gendry and change her “that’s not me” thoughts. 

 

Either way, we’ll all find out in 5 days. Many will be upset it hasn’t ended the way they have envisioned it. Many will be pleased with the way it ended. 

 

I like most here believe the final season has been rushed. I think they are covering all the bases and will leave no open storylines. But I do feel they could have added another 2 episodes or more to complete this season. Even though they have been slowly moving Dani from good to mad, they took that arc extremely slowly through 7 seasons and then all the sudden this season she has been mostly mad the whole tome. From the moments she arrived in Winterfell she was standoffish towards everyone. From the moment she found out from Jon Snow that he is the rightful heir, she has been trying to silence him while positioning herself to take what she believes is hers. 

6 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

I work with a guy that named his daughter Arya a couple years ago. 

I wonder if anyone out there has named their baby Hodor?

 

People have been pissed they named their kid Danirys or Khalissi

[Rockpile233]

Martin pushed back on the rumor he had all the books finished. Said he is still finishing WOW and hasn’t even started dream of summer. I didn’t believe this for a second anyway for the financial reasons already mentioned in this thread.

 

I’ve resigned myself to the fact he won’t ever finish. If he does it will be a pleasant surprise. 

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

I’m not defending the show but what more was there to “explore?”

 

How she turned.  Showing, through the character's actions and dialog not just why she turns, but the psychological process of how she goes from someone who locks up her "children" because they killed a child to someone who uses her surviving "child" to roast children. 

 

Character development is far more than a bullet list of the events of a character's life, but the interplay of those events on the psychology of the character and how it develops.  It's the difference between "Walter White is a mild-mannered chemistry teacher who builds a meth empire" and "Walter White evolves from Mr. Chips to Scarface."

[Cripple Creek]

5 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’m not really sure why everyone is linking the white horse with death. It’s not. The white horse is conquest, victory or pestilence. 

 

The PALE horse is death and is considered green, greenish-yellow in color. 

 

Besides, just stop. They don’t mean anything in this show. It simply shows a peaceful white horse in a situation of great destruction around it. Arya sees that horse as her transformation from assassin/killer to peaceful and done with her ways. She has ridden off. Most likely you will see her be at ease. Her list has been completed either by her or someone else. I wouldn’t be shocked to see her end up with Gendry and change her “that’s not me” thoughts. 

 

Either way, we’ll all find out in 5 days. Many will be upset it hasn’t ended the way they have envisioned it. Many will be pleased with the way it ended. 

 

I like most here believe the final season has been rushed. I think they are covering all the bases and will leave no open storylines. But I do feel they could have added another 2 episodes or more to complete this season. Even though they have been slowly moving Dani from good to mad, they took that arc extremely slowly through 7 seasons and then all the sudden this season she has been mostly mad the whole tome. From the moments she arrived in Winterfell she was standoffish towards everyone. From the moment she found out from Jon Snow that he is the rightful heir, she has been trying to silence him while positioning herself to take what she believes is hers. 

 

I do hope you stay.

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

I do hope you stay.

Lucky You 

[DC Tom]

7 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

Shouldn’t you blame Martin for this? Afterall, it seems you are asking the showrunners to be as skilled as telling the story as Martin. 

 

They are wrapping things sooner than would be ideal, but maybe these people want to get on with their lives.

 

If they made four more episodes, we would probably have had to wait another 5 months to even begin the season. 8 or 9 months if you wanted 10 from season 7. 

 

I blame lots of people, including Martin.  Mostly, though, whichever bean-counters decided to end with a truncated final two seasons.  It's lazy writing, but the single biggest contributing factor is probably the need to truncate the story to fit the schedule.

[eball]

39 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

How she turned.  Showing, through the character's actions and dialog not just why she turns, but the psychological process of how she goes from someone who locks up her "children" because they killed a child to someone who uses her surviving "child" to roast children. 

 

Character development is far more than a bullet list of the events of a character's life, but the interplay of those events on the psychology of the character and how it develops.  It's the difference between "Walter White is a mild-mannered chemistry teacher who builds a meth empire" and "Walter White evolves from Mr. Chips to Scarface."

 

Fair enough, I suppose, but I saw the how. I saw Dany evolve through her actions and reactions to what happened around her. If anyone who watches the show religiously didn’t think the burning of King’s Landing was more likely than not I’m surprised. 

[ComradeKayAdams]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Perhaps you think that conquerer's of a time such as when Game of Thrones should be nice political types.

 

She did some bad *****.....she also showed a heart along the way.   I would follow her because she is not weak sauce (although i might give her a funny look if I was a Dothroaki charging into the enormous army of the undead)

 

Slavers should be slaughtered

 

Examples were made by crucificition rememeber she is changing the tone and didnt want slavers coming up behind her changing what she fixed

 

Her listening to her hand at times caused more problems then it solved

 

I really think that burning kings landing was NOT the plan all along....I think she was prodded into it by a cumulation of things.

 

 

 

That's just it: Dany has now shown to be no different than any of the other horrible sociopathic rulers that the Game of Thrones universe has ever known. Important characters in the series initially joined her cause because they thought she was a revolutionary who would usher in a new and unusual era of moral leadership. She could have easily ended the war by simply taking out Cersei at the Red Keep as soon as all the scorpions were demolished. But as she herself told Jon Snow on Sunday, she chose to rule in Westeros by "fear." This isn't some gray ethical situation here that we can all debate academically like a bunch of online neckbeards. Dany didn't just decide to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki to display strength to the Russians; she proceeded to take out Tokyo and every other major industrial city of Japan after Hirohito surrendered. The problems with this strategy are that you end up creating a lot of extra enemies that could have otherwise been avoided (all of her advisors, practically everyone from Westeros, Jon Snow) and that your hold on power is only as secure as your actual strength (1 dragon left, remaining Dothraki, remaining Unsullied). Dany is going to lose the "game of thrones" this Sunday because she played a very poor strategy in the end. Being merciful isn't synonymous with being weak.

[snafu]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

People have been pissed they named their kid Danirys or Khalissi

 

According to many here, they should have seen it coming.

2 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

I blame lots of people, including Martin.  Mostly, though, whichever bean-counters decided to end with a truncated final two seasons.  It's lazy writing, but the single biggest contributing factor is probably the need to truncate the story to fit the schedule.

 

And their desire to devote nearly entire episodes to CGI battles when the preceding 7 seasons were made with dialogue and character development. 

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, eball said:

 

Fair enough, I suppose, but I saw the how. I saw Dany evolve through her actions and reactions to what happened around her. If anyone who watches the show religiously didn’t think the burning of King’s Landing was more likely than not I’m surprised. 

 

I guess the difference for me is in the past whenever a big moment or reveal took place in GoT, no matter how outrageous or seemingly out of nowhere, I always understood (even if only viscerally at first) there existed a well defined, though often deliberately subtle, logical series of preceding events and I took a lot of comfort in that. It usually means the writers respect their audience's intelligence, and when a show has that kind of relationship with its viewers you get a huge following. That's why there are a lot of disappointed people, myself included, because they went away from that in the interest of TV politics (time&money). There's no reciprocity anymore. You can't craft an intricate universe complete w/ top production quality and fantastic writing that appeals to viewers' intellects and then go for a half-hearted wrap up season where every episode might as well be titled Tying Up Loose Ends. They punted, understandably so but for me it's been pretty painful watching tbh.

 

It's a reminder why I'm so ambivalent about the entertainment industry. They create some amazing stuff but when they get cynical it's nuclear (GoT last season, Hangovers 2/3, True Detective Season 2, Anchorman2 etc)

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, eball said:

 

Fair enough, I suppose, but I saw the how. I saw Dany evolve through her actions and reactions to what happened around her. If anyone who watches the show religiously didn’t think the burning of King’s Landing was more likely than not I’m surprised. 

It wasn't surprising because of how hard they pushed the she's going mad narrative this season without any convincing evidence from previous seasons.  Taking pleasure in being sadistic to people that wronged you isn't proof that she would suddenly kill thousands of innocent people.  You either effectively show her slowly descending into madness or you make her killing innocent people to take the Iron Throne her only option believing it would be for the good of the realm in the long run.  D&D blew it by rushing it.  It's a shame because it would've been one of the all time great character arcs.  I expect the books to be more convincing.  

 

Edited May 15, 2019 by Doc Brown

[Nanker]

Three and a half Starks remaining - Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Jon. 

One and a half Targarians remaining - Dany, and Jon. 

One Lannister remains - Tyrion. 

 

Will the last Lannister pay the family’s debt to the Iron Bank of Bravos?

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Nanker said:

Three and a half Starks remaining - Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Jon. 

One and a half Targarians remaining - Dany, and Jon. 

One Lannister remains - Tyrion. 

 

Will the last Lannister pay the family’s debt to the Iron Bank of Bravos?

Tyrion will pry die and Bronn will somehow get stuck with it.  "This f****** family."

[Doc Brown]

9 hours ago, MichaelAbdallah said:

 

That's just it: Dany has now shown to be no different than any of the other horrible sociopathic rulers that the Game of Thrones universe has ever known. Important characters in the series initially joined her cause because they thought she was a revolutionary who would usher in a new and unusual era of moral leadership. She could have easily ended the war by simply taking out Cersei at the Red Keep as soon as all the scorpions were demolished. But as she herself told Jon Snow on Sunday, she chose to rule in Westeros by "fear." This isn't some gray ethical situation here that we can all debate academically like a bunch of online neckbeards. Dany didn't just decide to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki to display strength to the Russians; she proceeded to take out Tokyo and every other major industrial city of Japan after Hirohito surrendered. The problems with this strategy are that you end up creating a lot of extra enemies that could have otherwise been avoided (all of her advisors, practically everyone from Westeros, Jon Snow) and that your hold on power is only as secure as your actual strength (1 dragon left, remaining Dothraki, remaining Unsullied). Dany is going to lose the "game of thrones" this Sunday because she played a very poor strategy in the end. Being merciful isn't synonymous with being weak.

I also wonder if the letters Varys wrote before he executed made it to Dorne, the Vale, Storm's End (if Gendry's there), or Highgarden (if Bronn's there).  Dany burning the city to ashes and the knowledge that Jon being the legitimate heir to the thrown does create a lot of enemies for Dany.  

[/dev/null]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I also wonder if the letters Varys wrote before he executed made it to Dorne, the Vale, Storm's End (if Gendry's there), or Highgarden (if Bronn's there). 

 

Or maybe Castle Black, to Tormund and the Free Folk

[Doc Brown]

19 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Or maybe Castle Black, to Tormund and the Free Folk

As a wildling, Tormund isn't much for adhering to monarchy rules of succession.  More of a chance he sprints to Winterfell to have rebound sex with Brianne.

 

If Dany does call all the major Houses in the seven kingdoms to bow before their new queen, it will be very interesting to see who succumbs and who doesn't.  It's also a way to get Sansa, Sam, Bronn, King  Robert (who we haven't seen since season six?), and whoever is the head of Dorne now to be in one place when s**t goes down.

Edited May 15, 2019 by Doc Brown

[Wayne Cubed]

9 hours ago, eball said:

 

Fair enough, I suppose, but I saw the how. I saw Dany evolve through her actions and reactions to what happened around her. If anyone who watches the show religiously didn’t think the burning of King’s Landing was more likely than not I’m surprised. 

 

I don't think anyone is saying that the burning of King's Landing wasn't likely. It wasn't a surprise as such. It was that they chose to get Dany to that point that she would do something like that. Yes, events happened that one would think would drive someone to possibly do what she did. The problem, for me, is they only showed the events, they haven't shown Dany's reaction and how's she's had to deal with these loses. One shot of her without makeup, isn't enough. And that's the problem, in previous seasons with the time to develop, you would see these emotions from these characters you understood their actions.

 

Take for example Theon Greyjoy and the amount of time and effort the show put into establishing his psychological break down. The entirety of Season 2/3/4 was just that and getting you the viewer to understood his decent into this person called Reek. And from there on out you understood why he made the decisions he did and had turned into the person he was.

 

Yes, there were signs that Dany could do something like what she did but she had always fought those thoughts, hints of it. For me, I just wanted this decent into the Mad Queen and her struggle with deciding to do what she did to be a bigger part of the show. Those kind of character developments have always been what's made Game of Thrones great. I'd honestly rather have had less of the battle scenes and more of the character developments these past 2 seasons.

[LeviF]

14 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Perhaps you think that conquerer's of a time such as when Game of Thrones should be nice political types.

 

She did some bad *****.....she also showed a heart along the way.   I would follow her because she is not weak sauce (although i might give her a funny look if I was a Dothroaki charging into the enormous army of the undead)

 

Slavers should be slaughtered

 

Examples were made by crucificition rememeber she is changing the tone and didnt want slavers coming up behind her changing what she fixed

 

Her listening to her hand at times caused more problems then it solved

 

I really think that burning kings landing was NOT the plan all along....I think she was prodded into it by a cumulation of things.

 

 

 

You miss my point. Do I disagree with Danny's actions? Not necessarily. But do I think it's a surprise that she showed extreme cruelty with malice in this episode? Based on what I said above, no. My point was she's always been like this, and had no issue with killing people we might think of as "innocent" very early in the show. 

[TPS]

10 hours ago, SDS said:

 

Shouldn’t you blame Martin for this? Afterall, it seems you are asking the showrunners to be as skilled as telling the story as Martin. 

 

They are wrapping things sooner than would be ideal, but maybe these people want to get on with their lives.

 

If they made four more episodes, we would probably have had to wait another 5 months to even begin the season. 8 or 9 months if you wanted 10 from season 7. 

I was thinking about this the other day given all the discussion about the pacing.  These guys have been doing this for 10 years, and I'm sure they hope to do something else in their careers, rather than one hit wonders....

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, Nanker said:

Three and a half Starks remaining - Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Jon. 

One and a half Targarians remaining - Dany, and Jon. 

One Lannister remains - Tyrion. 

 

Will the last Lannister pay the family’s debt to the Iron Bank of Bravos?

 

Not to nit pick....  

Bran says he's not a Stark any longer.   Two and a half Starks and a Three Eyed Raven.  

 

The family’s debt to the Iron Bank of Bravos was paid in full when they took over Highgarden and Jamie gave Olenna the poison. 

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Tyrion will pry die and Bronn will somehow get stuck with it.  "This f****** family."

 

Honestly, I don't see how Bronn can do anything of importance in the finale.  

[Nanker]

7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Not to nit pick....  

Bran says he's not a Stark any longer.   Two and a half Starks and a Three Eyed Raven.  

 

The family’s debt to the Iron Bank of Bravos was paid in full when they took over Highgarden and Jamie gave Olenna the poison. 

One could also make a case that there is only one half of a Lannister left as well. 

 

You forget that Cersei borrowed yet again from the Iron Bank to buy the services of Harry Strickland and the Golden Company. The iron Bank will have it’s due. 

Edited May 15, 2019 by Nanker

[BeginnersMind]

11 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Honestly, I don't see how Bronn can do anything of importance in the finale.  

 

Agreed. Unless there's a late moment of comic relief, I think we've seen the last of him. As well as Bran, Sam, and Tormund...unless they are just there for some final coronation/celebration scene. 

 

I can see Asha arriving with whatever is left of the Iron Fleet but I don't see her playing a big speaking role. And I wouldn't be shocked if Brienne arrives with Sansa and an army from the North. I do not expect there to be another battle though. I think the end turns on Jon somehow turning the dragon. As the last ep made clear, you have to have the dragon. 

Edited May 15, 2019 by BeginnersMind

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

39 minutes ago, TPS said:

I was thinking about this the other day given all the discussion about the pacing.  These guys have been doing this for 10 years, and I'm sure they hope to do something else in their careers, rather than one hit wonders....

 

A number of them have been in other movies and TV shows of late. 

 

Sophie Turner, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Kit Harington, Gwendoline Christie, Emilia Clarke, Nathalie Emmanuel, Maisie Williams,  Peter Dinklage, Alfie Allen, Lena Headey, Aidan Gillen

18 minutes ago, Nanker said:

One could also make a case that there is only one half of a Lannister left as well. 

 

You forget that Cersei borrowed yet again from the Iron Bank to buy the services of Harry Strickland and the Golden Company. The iron Bank will have it’s due. 

Oh come on man!!!   No short jokes.

 

LOL  

Yeah.  I don't know why when they had "claimed" more than enough to repay their debts.  The useless Golden Company was a complete waste.

Tyrion is part of the Dragon Queens realm not Cersei's.  and again not enough time not t he inclination that the bank would dare ask/demand Dany for the repayment.  

 

Edited May 15, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

12 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Agreed. Unless there's a late moment of comic relief, I think we've seen the last of him. As well as Bran, Sam, and Tormund...unless they are just there for some final coronation/celebration scene. 

 

I can see Asha arriving with whatever is left of the Iron Fleet but I don't see her playing a big speaking role. And I wouldn't be shocked if Brienne arrives with Sansa and an army from the North. I do not expect there to be another battle though. I think the end turns on Jon somehow turning the dragon. As the last ep made clear, you have to have the dragon. 

 

If Jon takes the throne I could see a cameo of each of them, but they serve little purpose otherwise. 

What else can happen if Dany kills Jon ?  The North sends an army?  

 

Its simpler for Arya to kill Dany and take the throne.

Or take on a face and kill Danny before she kills Jon.

runs around a corner and removes the face ....  Assassin vanishes and none the wiser. 

Edited May 15, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[TPS]

16 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

A number of them have been in other movies and TV shows of late. 

 

Sophie Turner, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Kit Harington, Gwendoline Christie, Emilia Clarke, Nathalie Emmanuel, Maisie Williams,  Peter Dinklage, Alfie Allen, Lena Headey, Aidan Gillen

Oh come on man!!!   No short jokes.

 

LOL  

Yeah.  I don't know why when they had "claimed" more than enough to repay their debts.  The useless Golden Company was a complete waste.

Tyrion is part of the Dragon Queens realm not Cersei's.  and again not enough time not t he inclination that the bank would dare ask/demand Dany for the repayment.  

 

I meant Benioff and Weiss. 

[BeginnersMind]

9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

If Jon takes the throne I could see a cameo of each of them, but they serve little purpose otherwise. 

What else can happen if Dany kills Jon ?  The North sends an army?  

 

Its simpler for Arya to kill Dany and take the throne.

Or take on a face and kill Danny before she kills Jon.

runs around a corner and removes the face ....  Assassin vanishes and none the wiser. 

 

I’d be disappointed if Arya does that. She already saved the world. To give her another moment like that tips the balance of all characters to be all about her ability to make assassinations. I don’t believe Martin would do that. Not or saying she won’t play a role but it would be lame to have her behead two monarchs in 4 episodes. 

 

Dany needs to go down another way. I suspect it will be when Jon says, with that heavy hearted look he gets, “Dracarys” and melts her on the throne. 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2019 by BeginnersMind

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

38 minutes ago, TPS said:

I meant Benioff and Weiss. 

         

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

'Game of Thrones' Ratings: Penultimate Episode Is Most-Watched in Series History

The episode was watched by 12.48 million viewers during its initial broadcast, which handily trumps the previous record of 12.07 million, held by the season 7 finale. Given the colossal numbers put up by “The Bells,” an episode which divided opinion among fans and critics, one would expect that the series finale of the HBO behemoth will steal the viewership crown.

 

 Azor Ahai is

destined to kill the one he loves

[LB3]

1 hour ago, TPS said:

I meant Benioff and Weiss. 

They're doing the next Star Wars trilogy.

[stony]

8 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

They're doing the next Star Wars trilogy.

Writing the movies no one really asked for, by the guys we'd all wish would take a timeout from writing.  Hmmmm...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

27 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

They're doing the next Star Wars trilogy.

 

I thought they were giving the Star Wars shows a break??? 

 

18 minutes ago, stony said:

Writing the movies no one really asked for, by the guys we'd all wish would take a timeout from writing.  Hmmmm...

yeah this ^^^ 

[LB3]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I thought they were giving the Star Wars shows a break??? 

 

yeah this ^^^ 

2022

 

https://www.theringer.com/movies/2019/5/14/18623684/benioff-and-weiss-star-wars-trilogy-game-of-thrones

[LeviF]

29 minutes ago, stony said:

Writing the movies no one really asked for, by the guys we'd all wish would take a timeout from writing.  Hmmmm...

 

[May Day 10]

14 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

How she turned.  Showing, through the character's actions and dialog not just why she turns, but the psychological process of how she goes from someone who locks up her "children" because they killed a child to someone who uses her surviving "child" to roast children. 

 

Character development is far more than a bullet list of the events of a character's life, but the interplay of those events on the psychology of the character and how it develops.  It's the difference between "Walter White is a mild-mannered chemistry teacher who builds a meth empire" and "Walter White evolves from Mr. Chips to Scarface."

 

I agree with this 100%

 

Yes, we all know the Targs have a history of some eccentric members.  None so much mass murderers, but crazy, like drinking wildfire to see if they turn into a dragon.

 

Dany did some harsh things, but as mentioned.  Every leader in this story does harsh things, and there was a level of justice or survival connected to each act.  Her advisors were drawn to her cause because she showed signs of being grounded and righteous, like Rhaegar.  They weren't constantly parrying her impulses to burn people.  In fact, she was getting counselled to act in a much more draconian fashion to deal with The Sons of The Harpy and she refused.  She was actively protecting people, freeing slaves, and even chained her own 'family' up because a child was killed.

 

Her story arc from S1, E1 to S8, E3 was a different arc than S8 E4 and 5 and it feels very disconnected.  Something as significant story-wise as her turn should have been better nurtured over time.  It would have enhanced the story a great deal if we had a clue that there was an internal conflict going on, and we were always hoping "good" Dany prevailed and had a nice ending for the character.  The ringing of the Bells would have been a profound climax.  I could even imagine a bottle episode dealing with Dany's internal conflict sometime over the past 2 seasons would have been amazing.

 

Im not 'shocked' or upset the story went this way.  Looking forward to GRRM painting the picture.  However, Dany was very poorly developed with this.