Wayne Cubed Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) As I sit 2 episodes away from the end of it all I can’t help but think that if Dany didn’t listen to her advisors she would be better off. Everyone acts like Dany is this crazy women and yet if she just did what she initially thought she should do, what her instincts said to do, namely take her 3 dragons and destroy Kings Landing, she would be ruling Westeros now. Instead by listening to her advisors, which she’s been told to do, she’s lost 2 dragons and the bulk of her army. Not to mention the 2 advisors she trusted the most. Edited May 6, 2019 by Wayne Cubed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: He had enough time to scoop Missandei either from out the water or off her ship, so I'm guessing he didn't have to bail at all. Greyworm told her to jump into a skif. I assume they picker her up adrift. There are a boat load of things to complain about. My weekly concerns did the story lines Did they proceed they way I wanted them to? Did they throw on an Ohshit moment? Did I get a few laughs from slapstick comedy? Kind of, Yes and Yes. So, I'm satisfied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 3 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: https://nypost.com/2019/05/06/games-of-thrones-accidentally-leaves-coffee-cup-in-episode/ Picture of the actual cup: 27 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: it would be better for the early on to be a horses head and the latter a horses *** You need to watch for entertainment purposes and not dissect every detail. 1-4 had the books to follow. 5 - 8 they were winging it Guessing that drawing is a "stock Internet thing" And I've watched the entire series, so I get the entertainment purposes lens (I mean, I don't have a problem with Dragons or the living dead, or the notion of some other entire planet / civilization). But just starting to feel like too many shortcuts. Like Dany is a bad ass, but then just flies blindly into the enemy? Ain't buying it... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, SDS said: Apparently Episode 5 is titles “B itches Be Crazy” Excuse me sir but avoiding the language filter is against the TOS... 56 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I feel like the Dragon Queen is getting a really bad rap and Sansa should be MORE GRATEFUL Were it not for her this would already have gone very differently.... The night king would still be alive....marching towards Kings Landing....Winterfell haven fallen and Sansa and the whole of Winterfell would all be trodding along as the undead and NONE of this makes any difference at this point.....the Golden army and Cercei then stand no chance....and it is only a matter of time before the Night King would have won all.... SO BECAUSE OF THAT.....the Dragon queen is now down to Drogon (as of right this moment) and her huge army obliterated.......she didnt have to do ANY of this... Bunch of ungrateful *$$*754 As much as I like Sansa I have to agree with this. Dany is going crazy but she isn't wrong to feel like everyone is being ungrateful for what she supplied and ultimately lost. Dating 101 Jon blew it when they were talking him up and he just looked at her. He should have said something like "none of this would have been possible without Dany." He would have helped her feel a part of it and appreciated. He really does know nothing... 22 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: I realize that Sansa seems to be thinking clearly now (other than he seemingly unfounded distrust and dislike of Dany, as well as her clinging to the idea of the "North". The undue tension Sansa has been creating with Dany is a primary driver of the upcoming conflict. If Sansa was more supportive and backed Jon from the getgo, things would most likely have been easier. But my issue is the sudden 'pivot' of Sansa being a naive "I like songs" girl who is abused and constantly getting manipulated, to this tough ruler who wears black suits with hoops and chains ornamenting them was kind of hasty and convenient. I don't mind her if she ends up as lord of winterfell/warden of the north because she is the Stark with the best claim (considering Bran recognizes he isnt in fact Bran). To see her end up at the very top of the heap as ruler of Westeros at the end would be lame (IMO) I think the change really took hold after Joffrey's murder. When Littlefinger shot the drunk (blanking on his name), then murdered his aunt, then married her to Ramsay, she started her journey to what we see now. She learned a lot from people that were really succesful at playing the game. Cersei even took her under her wing for a bit. She saw how cold and calculated people had to be to survive. Season 7 showed how good she was at ruling and that continues in season 8. (all imo - appreciate the discourse here! ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 37 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: As I sit 2 episodes away from the end of it all I can’t help but think that if Dany didn’t listen to her advisors she would be better off. Everyone acts like Dany is this crazy women and yet if she just did what she initially thought she should do, what her instincts said to do, namely take her 3 dragons and destroy Kings Landing, she would be ruling Westeros now. Instead by listening to her advisors, which she’s been told to do, she’s lost 2 dragons and the bulk of her army. Not to mention the 2 advisors she trusted the most. If she did that the dead would come to King's landing with even more wight's and she'd have no clue how to kill them (besides burning them) as dragon glass wouldn't be mass produced. She made the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: If she did that the dead would come to King's landing with even more wight's and she'd have no clue how to kill them (besides burning them) as dragon glass wouldn't be mass produced. She made the right choice. Whys that? How did her army contribute to ending the NK? Arya could have still killed NK without Dany and her Dragons... in fact the NK wouldn’t have had a dragon himself so it would have taken him longer to get through the wall and Castle Black. She could have first taken Kings Landing then turned her attention to the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Heitz said: WTH was that? There were too many dumb moments to mention about last night's episode - from the fact that the army that won "The Great War" suddenly became tactically stupid, to the fact that we didn't get to see the most important moments. I LOVE this show, but last night was a big 'ol disappointment for me... there are no wrong answers i'm too tired and stuff to think too hard, i preferred last night to the prior episode though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, section122 said: Excuse me sir but avoiding the language filter is against the TOS... I think that was a typo and he really meant Itches Be Crazy Those filthy clothes have to be itchy by now Edited May 6, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Whys that? How did her army contribute to ending the NK? Arya could have still killed NK without Dany and her Dragons... in fact the NK wouldn’t have had a dragon himself so it would have taken him longer to get through the wall and Castle Black. She could have first taken Kings Landing then turned her attention to the north. Word. For someone who talks about those dragons like her children (or used to, at least)...they're dropping at kind of an alarming rate. And like you say, unnecessarily so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) So is Euron that smart, or did they have intel about where Dany and her ships would be and when? Here's my theory - the leak in Dany's "organization" is Sansa and/or Arya. They figure they can get rid of Cersei on their own and don't want Dany as a ruler of all 7 kingdoms. This decision was made when Sansa asked Dany point-blank "what about the North?" after she takes the throne and Dany pulled away without answering. They want a Stark as ruler of the 7 kingdoms, or they don't even want a 7 kingdoms any longer (if they ever did). Edited May 6, 2019 by JÂy RÛßeÒ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Krentist Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I don't know why or when he bailed. How can you not see a fleet from the sky riding a dragon? Because the Earth is round! Checkmate flat earthers! And Jaime kills Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: here's a spoiler just for you Hide contents Look close Looks like more dragons. That would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 44 minutes ago, Dr Krentist said: Because the Earth is round! Checkmate flat earthers! And Jaime kills Cersei. But, they're not not the Earth - they're on whatever flat planet Westeros is on! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 3 hours ago, May Day 10 said: I realize that Sansa seems to be thinking clearly now (other than he seemingly unfounded distrust and dislike of Dany, as well as her clinging to the idea of the "North". The undue tension Sansa has been creating with Dany is a primary driver of the upcoming conflict. If Sansa was more supportive and backed Jon from the getgo, things would most likely have been easier. But my issue is the sudden 'pivot' of Sansa being a naive "I like songs" girl who is abused and constantly getting manipulated, to this tough ruler who wears black suits with hoops and chains ornamenting them was kind of hasty and convenient. I don't mind her if she ends up as lord of winterfell/warden of the north because she is the Stark with the best claim (considering Bran recognizes he isnt in fact Bran). To see her end up at the very top of the heap as ruler of Westeros at the end would be lame (IMO) I have been contemplating this basic thought: Sansa realizes Dany is a threat and is using the Littlefinger playbook of Chaos is a ladder. She is turning Varys, Tyrion and (to a degree)Jon against Dany. I wouldn't surprise me that the twist is she somehow let Cersai know of Dany's travels in order to start to get Dany out of the way; knowing that Dany's tendencies are to burn it all down which makes her the Mad Queen to the people of Westeros and cause her most devout followers to abandon her cause and look towards another - which could be interesting to see is if she is doing this for Jon or for herself ultimately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 C+ rating from AV CLUB review.... can't disagree, Barry was a much better episode right after it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: I have been contemplating this basic thought: Sansa realizes Dany is a threat and is using the Littlefinger playbook of Chaos is a ladder. She is turning Varys, Tyrion and (to a degree)Jon against Dany. I wouldn't surprise me that the twist is she somehow let Cersai know of Dany's travels in order to start to get Dany out of the way; knowing that Dany's tendencies are to burn it all down which makes her the Mad Queen to the people of Westeros and cause her most devout followers to abandon her cause and look towards another - which could be interesting to see is if she is doing this for Jon or for herself ultimately. Dany's "turn" also perturbs me a bit, but waiting to see it play out to see. The rest of the story focuses on establishing she is on a plane with Rheagar, who by all accounts was a fairly righteous dude. She was getting her eye poked by the sons of the harpy on a daily basis for years, showed all the restraint in the world, and even locked her dragons (children) up. 80% Of her character arc is freeing and trying to defend slaves. This character, built over 7 seasons is not a character who will willingly torch thousands of innocents. Im hoping that as an audience, we are being steered one way, and Dany will throw a curveball and fool everyone Next week, daario nahaaris is going to magically fly in, just in time on another dragon, born by eggs laid by drogon or somebody Edited May 6, 2019 by May Day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) The additional dragon angle was not on my radar at all. Interesting thought and observation from the opening. No way Dany goes full villain. Would be an incredibly stupid ending IMO I’m still predicting Jon’s death having a sobering effect on her. Dany will give Sansa the north. Edited May 6, 2019 by Rockpile233 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) I can't believe no one has mentioned Brienne and Jamie yet. Or that little hottie that was all over Tormund. (Was she really Arya wearing a face?) ? Edited May 6, 2019 by Bad Things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 43 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said: No way Dany goes full villain. Would be an incredibly stupid ending IMO I get what your saying, but last night's episode really showed Dany in a different light. They did a great job filming her during the scene where she begs/commands John not to reveal his secret. She was cast in this "evil" red lighting that made it very easy to see her going over the edge. That said, I thought last nights episode was fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bad Things said: I can't believe no one has mentioned Brienne and Jamie yet. (Or that little hottie that was all over Tormund.) I think Jamie woke up next to Brienne, looked a good look at her and said WTF am I doing?!? He's dead next week, maybe killed by Cersei. It would be wild if Brienne chased after him all the way to KL. If she does, she's dead too.... or maybe in the last show, she ends up with Tormund in another *****-up relationship like Carol and the idiot King on Walking Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: I have been contemplating this basic thought: Sansa realizes Dany is a threat and is using the Littlefinger playbook of Chaos is a ladder. She is turning Varys, Tyrion and (to a degree)Jon against Dany. I wouldn't surprise me that the twist is she somehow let Cersai know of Dany's travels in order to start to get Dany out of the way; knowing that Dany's tendencies are to burn it all down which makes her the Mad Queen to the people of Westeros and cause her most devout followers to abandon her cause and look towards another - which could be interesting to see is if she is doing this for Jon or for herself ultimately. Varys explicitly said he was turning on her. If this theory is correct, it would make sense it was him dropping the hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Bad Things said: I can't believe no one has mentioned Brienne and Jamie yet. Or that little hottie that was all over Tormund. (Was she really Arya wearing a face?) ? Lol. Would ya? not me. 1 hour ago, Rockpile233 said: The additional dragon angle was not on my radar at all. Interesting thought and observation from the opening. No way Dany goes full villain. Would be an incredibly stupid ending IMO I’m still predicting Jon’s death having a sobering effect on her. Dany will give Sansa the north. Azor Ahai spoiler that hints at my comments prior The 4th dragon theory, which gained steam at the beginning of season eight due to the change in the opening credits of the show, says that the Azor Ahai prophecy refers to "waking dragons out of stone." Perhaps Dany or Jon found a fourth dragon egg that was awoken out of stone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 58 minutes ago, stony said: Varys explicitly said he was turning on her. If this theory is correct, it would make sense it was him dropping the hint. It's hard to make a guess as to where this entire thing is going (with 2 episodes left and very shaky writing imo). Seeing they are playing this angle and with what you bring up, Sansa really seems to be playing the Littlefinger card, she knew exactly what was going to happen when she told Tyrion. Arya certainly plays into this as well - they all talk about protecting the family - how much have her and Sansa talked about this; they also certainly left honest and naive Jon in the dark as well. A GOT twist would be Sansa using all of her knowledge and not being that Little Bird now and showing her as a grown up player in this world, just as they did with Arya. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 hours ago, May Day 10 said: Dany's "turn" also perturbs me a bit, but waiting to see it play out to see. The rest of the story focuses on establishing she is on a plane with Rheagar, who by all accounts was a fairly righteous dude. She was getting her eye poked by the sons of the harpy on a daily basis for years, showed all the restraint in the world, and even locked her dragons (children) up. 80% Of her character arc is freeing and trying to defend slaves. This character, built over 7 seasons is not a character who will willingly torch thousands of innocents. Im hoping that as an audience, we are being steered one way, and Dany will throw a curveball and fool everyone Next week, daario nahaaris is going to magically fly in, just in time on another dragon, born by eggs laid by drogon or somebody And over 7 seasons, the long night and the dead were supposed to be bigger than the throne; we see how that turned out. I don't have faith in the writers to guide this in any other way; the turn has been made. While she started out on the straight and righteous path, the death of 2 dragons, Jorah dying, Jon's lineage, Missandei the reaction at winterfell with the love for Jon - she is inside her own head and will make poor choices that lead to her demise here. Once she unleashes fire on Knight's Landing, that will be the final straw for Tyrion and he joins Vary's cause. My shocking death for him is that Danny catches wind of this and kills him. I do agree that Daario will come, but I think it may be too late for her at that time. She needs to die... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Lol. Would ya? not me. Are you talking about Brienne? Hmm... Sure! I'm always up for an adventure! ? Edited May 7, 2019 by Bad Things 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 10 hours ago, May Day 10 said: But my issue is the sudden 'pivot' of Sansa being a naive "I like songs" girl who is abused and constantly getting manipulated, to this tough ruler who wears black suits with hoops and chains ornamenting them was kind of hasty and convenient. I don't mind her if she ends up as lord of winterfell/warden of the north because she is the Stark with the best claim (considering Bran recognizes he isnt in fact Bran). To see her end up at the very top of the heap as ruler of Westeros at the end would be lame (IMO) There's nothing sudden about it. She witnessed her father beheaded for being naive. Her oldest brother died because he was blinded by "love" and betrayed for it. She witnessed how the "game" was played by Cersei and Littlefinger. Plus, she had to suffer under Joffrey and Ramsey for other's political purposes. I don't think Sansa wants to take the throne. She appears to want Jon on it and Dany out of the picture. Her telling Tyrion Jon's "secret" made that clear as Varys/Tyrion now believes everybody in Westeros will eventually learn Jon is the rightful heir to the throne. Combine that with this perception that Dany is like her father (despite little evidence I've seen) and it may be enough for Varys and/or Tyrion to commit treason so Jon gets the Iron Throne. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 OK so this trailer showed a better measure of the army Dany has left. Cercei is so screwed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: And over 7 seasons, the long night and the dead were supposed to be bigger than the throne; we see how that turned out. I don't have faith in the writers to guide this in any other way; the turn has been made. It’s been fun watching the show, not my usual choice of show but it’s been fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 13 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Azor Ahai spoiler that hints at my comments prior Maybe there were a few preserved in the dragon glass under dragonstone and the mining for weapons exposed them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 dragon glass discounted by 95% in most stores now 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 13 hours ago, Bad Things said: Are you talking about Brienne? Hmm... Sure! I'm always up for an adventure! ? Good, because I hear Brienne is a power top. Jaime Lannister found out the hard way. Might want to bring a towel to bite ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Good, because I hear Brienne is a power top. Jaime Lannister found out the hard way. Might want to bring a towel to bite ? Cersei was better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Maybe there were a few preserved in the dragon glass under dragonstone and the mining for weapons exposed them? In that brief moment Urine looked not only surprised and shocked. IF my hunch is correct ..... The 4th dragon will be already grown. I'll play the uber fantasy card and say its been in hiding (on a pile of gold) in Old Valyria 3:35 mark Everyone assumed that was Drogon that they saw. Why not a nice misdirection by the writers? Edited May 7, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: In that brief moment Urine looked not only surprised and shocked. IF my hunch is correct ..... The 4th dragon will be already grown. I'll play the uber fantasy card and say its been in hiding (on a pile of gold) in Old Valyria 3:35 mark Everyone assumed that was Drogon that they saw. Why not a nice misdirection by the writers? the writers are too backed into a corner to make up witty red herrings, they are just going to lop off all kinds of intended and accidental possibilities 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 4 hours ago, row_33 said: the writers are too backed into a corner to make up witty red herrings, they are just going to lop off all kinds of intended and accidental possibilities Not backed into a corner but just decided to ignore most of the prophecies/minor story lines to dumb down the show for the masses. GRRM stated that there was network pressure to keep certain characters around in the show because they tested well that won't be as featured in the books. Bronn is the best example and why it's a bad idea considering how horrible the Jaime/Bronn Dorne "rescue" mission was. Tormund is another character I'm guessing they didn't kill off because he was a fan favorite and a source of comic relief. They've overused him though. Gendry would be another guess as I doubt Arya ever has sexual relations in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Not backed into a corner but just decided to ignore most of the prophecies/minor story lines to dumb down the show for the masses. GRRM stated that there was network pressure to keep certain characters around in the show because they tested well that won't be as featured in the books. Bronn is the best example and why it's a bad idea considering how horrible the Jaime/Bronn Dorne "rescue" mission was. Tormund is another character I'm guessing they didn't kill off because he was a fan favorite and a source of comic relief. They've overused him though. Gendry would be another guess as I doubt Arya ever has sexual relations in the book. Bronn went from liked to LET HIM BURN in those 90 seconds Why go all the way to Winterfell, prance in with a fancy crossbow, make a threat and leave again for another 1000 mile journey? Even when (if) Dany wins Tyrion cant make any promises for her. She doesn't know him from a pile of dragon dung. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 21 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Lol. Would ya? not me. Azor Ahai spoiler that hints at my comments prior Hide contents The 4th dragon theory, which gained steam at the beginning of season eight due to the change in the opening credits of the show, says that the Azor Ahai prophecy refers to "waking dragons out of stone." Perhaps Dany or Jon found a fourth dragon egg that was awoken out of stone? Where are there a bunch of stone dragons in King's Landing again?.... .... Including the biggest of them all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) Some interesting thoughts. I apologise if Shady already discussed this. Is this true? Edited May 8, 2019 by PIZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 8 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: In that brief moment Urine looked not only surprised and shocked. don't get pissy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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