So our bust qb was responsible for nearly 400 yards of offense

[Bing Bong]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The potential with Josh is incredibly intriguing. 

 

The guy can do it all. He reminds me a lot of Rodgers.... except he is extremely inaccurate at times. He missed many open receivers and had some pretty awful throws in the first half. He came out a different QB in the 2nd half. 

 

 

 

 

Reminds me of Brett Favre with a little Kaep sprinkled in. Makes for a fun, sometimes frustrating Quarterback. I'll take it!

[Maine-iac]

Allen looks great but he IS making mistakes.  He is a rookie and by all means he looks like he should be a very good QB for many years to come but not admitting he has to finish putting it all together is not being realistic.  There were a few throws he'd love to have back and plenty he made that were great.  End of the day if you want to blame the QB you could say he missed Foster and missed Clay.  If you want to be realistic you would say he made enough plays to win and that Clay should have caught it.  Either way Allen looked very good and we still didn't win.

[Johnnycage46]

19 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Bills fans: Yards don’t matter, wins do

 

Also Bills fans: Yeah we lost but look at the amount of yards he had!

Speaking only for myself as a Bills fan I think Allen played great as a rookie in his, what 7th start (maybe 6th) start.  I dont think in any way anyone can say Allen is a bust...and his yardage today was the ONLY reason the Bills were in the game until the end.  It was "relevant" yardage.

[Jerome007]

IDK how some people are still screaming BUST. If you're not excited about Josh for the coming years, I wonder if you know football or just want to keep ranting. And if, hopfeully not, he is an average QB, he would be one of the most entertaining ones out there.

 

He was off target on key throws today. His second INT he'd like back. But damn, he can make plays. He's got balls, attitude, leadership, and he's learning fast. In fact, all the young players seem to be coming strong. I don't believe in "momentum" building from this year to the next but these rookies coming along so great, that bodes VERY well for the future, including being enticing for some free agents. 

 

In a season truly in the hunt, yeah I would have foaming at the mouth at little on the miscues. Today? Great showings by many young guys, better play calling by Daboll,  Josh is a budding star (you'd rather have him or Tannehill???), the foundations are solid and Beane can build on that for sure.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

I'm much more concerned about the coaching, play calling, and lack of discipline than I am about Allen.  Under Ryan, this team was a raging penalty machine.  I'm not sure it's improved.  Rex didn't seem to care, the Clapper continually says he does.  It's getting old.

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Speaking only for myself as a Bills fan I think Allen played great as a rookie in his, what 7th start (maybe 6th) start.  I dont think in any way anyone can say Allen is a bust...and his yardage today was the ONLY reason the Bills were in the game until the end.  It was "relevant" yardage.

 

He had a poor first half but played better in the 2nd. He made some bad throws but also had some nice throws and really nice plays with his feet. I’d still rather see him make more throws from the pocket than take off running.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Bangarang

[RiotAct]

I’m coming around on Allen.  He’s making some rookie mistakes, but he’s also decisive and not afraid all the time like our recent QBs.

[MPT]

Can't we just agree that he shows a ton of heart and flashes of potential but still has a lot to work on? He's not a savior yet, and he's not a bust yet. You don't have to choose one of those and then act like a child trying to support it. You can praise good plays and criticize bad ones. That's called objective reasoning.

[Putin]

23 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said:

 

Are we just ignoring the INTs and the missed TD to Zay?

 

Not saying he wasn't good, but let's not act like he was perfect

We should be ignoring you 

[PIZ]

You have to realize that some people just don't understand football.  Josh Allen is the perfect QB for the Bills and will win championships for them.  

 

These are the kinds of "fans" that don't see it.....yet.....

 

 

 

 

[Maine-iac]

5 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

I'm much more concerned about the coaching, play calling, and lack of discipline than I am about Allen.  Under Ryan, this team was a raging penalty machine.  I'm not sure it's improved.  Rex didn't seem to care, the Clapper continually says he does.  It's getting old.

So quick count, if I got it right, we've had six games with double digit penalties.  That is nuts.

[SectionC3]

20 minutes ago, Doc said:

He threw a perfect strike to Clay to win the game.  Anyone who blames him for the loss is a moron.

 

Amen.  Kept the play alive after running for probably 120+ in 86 degree heat and getting smacked around when he hung in the pocket.  The kid made a ridiculous play.  Just incredible.  And had the arm to get the ball home.  I can’t believe anyone would blame him.  

[WhoTom]

26 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said:

 

Are we just ignoring the INTs and the missed TD to Zay?

 

Not saying he wasn't good, but let's not act like he was perfect

 

How many rookies are perfect? Josh played a hell of a game.

 

He played well enough to win. He led a game-winning drive and threw an "imperfect" but catchable pass that should have been a TD if Clay would have made the catch.

 

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

31 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said:

Stats are nice. Wins are better.

Wins are a team stat

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

 

Amen.  Kept the play alive after running for probably 120+ in 86 degree heat and getting smacked around when he hung in the pocket.  The kid made a ridiculous play.  Just incredible.  And had the arm to get the ball home.  I can’t believe anyone would blame him.  

 

People have had the same agenda since April.

 

And they're all of them, to a man, wrong.

 

[Bongo]

19 minutes ago, BILLS55 said:

 I do blame this lose on Josh. 

No, I can’t blame the loss on him. Was he perfect? No. Is he responsible for the loss? Heck no. Not with...

 

- an offensive line that couldn’t pull their collective heads from their backsides

- Charles”My incredibly athletic self can’t take two steps forward to catch the game winning TD” Clay 

- and the one which should overshadow Allen every week in Kelvin Benjamin, the biggest freeloading, waste-of-oxygen receiver in the history of the NFL and yet keeps getting trotted out every week as a “number 1”.

 

Josh Allen, Zay Jones and a couple of decent runs by Shady were the only offense we had today.

[Maine-iac]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Amen.  Kept the play alive after running for probably 120+ in 86 degree heat and getting smacked around when he hung in the pocket.  The kid made a ridiculous play.  Just incredible.  And had the arm to get the ball home.  I can’t believe anyone would blame him.  

It was amazing that Allen kept that play alive.  It definitely appeared to make it to Clay and it looked like he had a chance to catch it.  It was not a perfect strike.  Given the amount of running around Josh had to do and the distance I can't blame him.  Josh made a great play and Clay didn't but it wasn't a perfect throw.

[Teddy KGB]

16 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

By no means was the loss on Allen.  He was the reason we had a shot today.  He played great.  But that last pass was far from perfect.  He did the best he could. 

 

My grandma can make that catch 

Edited December 2, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[mjt328]

14 minutes ago, VW82 said:

He left so many yards on the field, not to mention the four points we lost by on that second half miss to Zay running wide open in the end zone. Josh made some incredible plays today, and so I get the excitement, but his accuracy was awful and we only scored 17 and lost on a day where we easily could have had 25-30 and won.  

 

The miss to Zay Jones was miscommunication.  Not poor accuracy.

After the play, he motioned to Jones that he expected him to stop, instead of continuing in his route.  That is why the pass was behind him. 

Things like this can be expected with a rookie with 7 starts under his belt, throwing to a second year receiver.

 

Not sure where else he had "awful" accuracy today.

 

[Johnnycage46]

10 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

He had a poor first half but played better in the 2nd. He made some bad throws but also had some nice throws and really nice plays with his feet. I’d still rather see him make more throws from the pocket than take off running.

I think he got better as the game went on (and really as the season has gone in). Those things will hopefully come in time.

[Alphadawg7]

36 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said:

Stats are nice. Wins are better.

 

You do realize there 44 players who start each game every week.  22 players on Allens team starting.  Wins and losses are not pinned on one man.  

 

Josh is showing great potential, you just want to keep selling your negative narrative on him to be right 

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said:

I think he got better as the game went on (and really as the season has gone in). Those things will hopefully come in time.

He was amazing all day outside the pocket.  He seems to get happy feet in the pocket a little and has a few throws he kind of fast balls.  Every QB has a few throws a game they'd like back.  Overall he looked great.

[Monty98]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

The miss to Zay Jones was miscommunication.  Not poor accuracy.

After the play, he motioned to Jones that he expected him to stop, instead of continuing in his route.  That is why the pass was behind him. 

Things like this can be expected with a rookie with 7 starts under his belt, throwing to a second year receiver.

 

Not sure where else he had "awful" accuracy today.

 

 

That's exactly what is was miscommunication or Zay not knowing that he was alone. Zay knows he's alone and he probably just sits in the hole. With practice and chemistry building that is a TD in the future

[Artem Lipatov]

At least Josh is electrifying to watch. He is very elusive for his size. It's a hard task for defenders to sack him nonetheless the O line is often broken. He converts scrambles into long runs. He finally threw for 200+ yards, 2TDs and 2pt conversion pass. I was not sold in before his injury, but now I feel more and  more optimism. He has heart, legs, outstanding arm. And  he is teachable. Give him good mentors and coaches, upgrade O line and WRs , TE  and he'll be great.  

Edited December 2, 2018 by Artem Lipatov

[PeterDude]

12 minutes ago, Putin said:

We should be ignoring you 

Sounds like you just want a kool aid party...

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

It was amazing that Allen kept that play alive.  It definitely appeared to make it to Clay and it looked like he had a chance to catch it.  It was not a perfect strike.  Given the amount of running around Josh had to do and the distance I can't blame him.  Josh made a great play and Clay didn't but it wasn't a perfect throw.

 

Frankly it was as good a throw as anyone in football could have made in those circumstances.  Humid day, end of game, kid was gassed, ball probably was a bit wet, throw was very long and across his body, made after running around, no chance to realize he had time to set his feet.  I’m not trying to argue, but ... come on.  It was a ridiculous play and clay should have finished it.  Rodgers might be able to make that play, but I honestly don’t think anyone else could do have done it.  

[VW82]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

The miss to Zay Jones was miscommunication.  Not poor accuracy.

After the play, he motioned to Jones that he expected him to stop, instead of continuing in his route.  That is why the pass was behind him. 

Things like this can be expected with a rookie with 7 starts under his belt, throwing to a second year receiver.

 

Not sure where else he had "awful" accuracy today.

 

 

The announcers made reference to that. Personally I think it's BS. Even if he's stopping you still lead him a little because he needs time to decelerate. Besides, Josh was throwing behind Zay on cross routes all game. 

 

But even if we give that one to him, it's about the pattern over the whole year and the fact it isn't getting better. What's getting better is Allen is becoming more consistent making plays with his legs. He's routinely missing guys when he has time and they're open though. I don't care that it's only seven starts. That's enough time to understand what the issues are, and right now his accuracy is by far the biggest issue standing in the way of his development. That's not something QBs usually get dramatically better with. Let's hope Josh can beat the odds.   

[tcampbell104]

33 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The potential with Josh is incredibly intriguing. 

 

The guy can do it all. He reminds me a lot of Rodgers.... except he is extremely inaccurate at times. He missed many open receivers and had some pretty awful throws in the first half. He came out a different QB in the 2nd half. 

 

 

 

 

next year when we hopefully get a better ol and receivers i think this team could be special. when josh gets time in the pocket i think you will see a more accurate passer.

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

People have had the same agenda since April.

 

And they're all of them, to a man, wrong.

 

Funny thing is, I was just thinking this feels like 1987 to me.  This kid is a gamer through and through.  McDermott knows what he is doing.  The D is there.  And we can fix the offense.  

 

Two premature thoghts:  the tre White trade might be one of the best in NFL history one day.  I realize there was plenty of moving on our end, but basically it works out to mahomes for white and Allen.  The way these guys are all trending ... it might be really special.

 

and, I will not be at all surprised if one day josh Allen will have the largest contract in NFL history.  

[Maine-iac]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Frankly it was as good a throw as anyone in football could have made in those circumstances.  Humid day, end of game, kid was gassed, ball probably was a bit wet, throw was very long and across his body, made after running around, no chance to realize he had time to set his feet.  I’m not trying to argue, but ... come on.  It was a ridiculous play and clay should have finished it.  Rodgers might be able to make that play, but I honestly don’t think anyone else could do have done it.  

I really don't see any difference in what either of us said other than you seem to think excuses make it a perfect throw and I don't.  There are plenty of reasons why it was a hard throw to make.  It definitely looked like it made it to Clay and he had a chance to catch it.  It also looked like a "perfect" throw would have been into the end zone.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

Funny thing is, I was just thinking this feels like 1987 to me.  This kid is a gamer through and through.  McDermott knows what he is doing.  The D is there.  And we can fix the offense.  

 

Two premature thoghts:  the tre White trade might be one of the best in NFL history one day.  I realize there was plenty of moving on our end, but basically it works out to mahomes for white and Allen.  The way these guys are all trending ... it might be really special.

 

and, I will not be at all surprised if one day josh Allen will have the largest contract in NFL history.  

 

Dude, post more. Seriously.

 

[Teddy KGB]

7 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

Sounds like you just want a kool aid party...

 

How much longer are you gonna pretend Allen’s not a good QB ? 

 

 

[EersN'Bills]

He certainly had his ups and downs but he's still only making his 7th career start. That missed TD to Zay stands out and the final throw to Clay was a little underthrown but Clay should have caught that.

 

Allen was fantastic in the 2nd half and was pretty much their entire offense. Imagine how he'll look with a year of experience and better receivers/o-line.

 

I was skeptical when they drafted him but he's really shown great potential the past two weeks coming off an injury.

[Scott7975]

17 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

My grandma can make that catch 

Even Stevie Johnson would have probably made that catch.

[PeterDude]

5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

How much longer are you gonna pretend Allen’s not a good QB ? 

 

 

Who's pretending?

 

He's showing his inconsistencies in the passing game and using his legs to try to compensate, just like most other running QB's have done. What we're seeing here is nothing new, it has happened in the league before... How many turn out to be the franchise QB y'all are hoping for?

Edited December 2, 2018 by PeterDude

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

I really don't see any difference in what either of us said other than you seem to think excuses make it a perfect throw and I don't.  There are plenty of reasons why it was a hard throw to make.  It definitely looked like it made it to Clay and he had a chance to catch it.  It also looked like a "perfect" throw would have been into the end zone.

 

That play could not have been made any better.  Those aren’t excuses.  They are realities.  Maybe one other guy in football could make that play.  The throw was plenty good enough to win the game. 

[Maine-iac]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

 

That play could not have been made any better.  Those aren’t excuses.  They are realities.  Maybe one other guy in football could make that play.  The throw was plenty good enough to win the game. 

It also looked like a "perfect" throw would have been into the end zone.

[tcampbell104]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

He had plenty of time for most of the day. He holds the ball a long time which is expected of a raw QB like Josh. 

 

The strip sack late in the game was completely on him for not stepping up into a clean pocket. 

 

Mills sucked which isn't a surprise. They need to upgrade the starting RT spot. It's been long overdue. 

the line is definitely better a pass protection than run blocking. if we can ever get a run game going this offense is really going to be fun to watch

[Teddy KGB]

16 hours ago, PeterDude said:

Who's pretending?

 

He's showing his inconsistencies in the passing game and using his legs to try to compensate, just like most other running QB's have done. What we're seeing here is nothing new, it has happened in the league before... How many turn out to be the franchise QB y'all are hoping for?

 

Good luck with your crusade ??    

 

[PeterDude]

16 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Good luck with your crusade ??    

 

 

I don't need any luck, I'm not the one trying to become a franchise QB.