Allen best Bills QB of 21st century?

[EmotionallyUnstable]

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/11/02cf5c5471d94/every-21st-century-buffalo-bil.html#incart_river_mobile_index

 

A well written piece but I disagree with gifting Allen number one status. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1-Orton

2-Bledsoe 

3-Fitz

4-Tyrod

5-Flutie

[GRHater69]

The writer also got his years wrong.  Bledsoe never had 2 consecutive losing seasons, he went 8-8 and 6-10 but he was released after the 2004 season where they went 9-7. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

13 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

1-Orton

2-Bledsoe 

3-Fitz

4-Tyrod

5-Flutie

 

Tyrod is tyGOD number 1 

[LSHMEAB]

That's pretty much the worst article ever written.

11 minutes ago, GRHater69 said:

The writer also got his years wrong.  Bledsoe never had 2 consecutive losing seasons, he went 8-8 and 6-10 but he was released after the 2004 season where they went 9-7. 

Ugh. The Pittsburgh debacle where we got beat by their practice squad. I was done with Bledsoe after that one.

Edited November 22, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[row_33]

Tyrod got the Bills to the playoffs

 

[wppete]

Yes he is.

[without a drought]

Definitely top 10

 

[LSHMEAB]

Doug Flutie is number 3 on that list and he never played a game for the Bills in the 21st century.

 

Considering the rest of the list, maybe that's actually a positive in terms of ranking. Nevertheless...

[row_33]

21 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Doug Flutie is number 3 on that list and he never played a game for the Bills in the 21st century.

 

Considering the rest of the list, maybe that's actually a positive in terms of ranking. Nevertheless...

 

December 23, 2000 is good enough to count Dougie

 

 

[Strethor]

59 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Tyrod got the Bills to the playoffs

 

 

Andy Dalton did 

 

without Andy Dalton we would be going on almost 20-year  playoff drought with no end in sight

if we are talking about Bills QBs this is how i see it

 

1.) Fitz

2.) Bledsoe

3.) Orton

4.) Tyrod/Flutie

 

 

Edited November 22, 2018 by Strethor

[RochesterRob]

  The 21st Century has eight plus decades to go.  Instant gratification get the best of this guy?

[Mike in Horseheads]

44 minutes ago, The Drought said:

Definitely top 10

 

for sure top 20

[CincyBillsFan]

At present I would say NO in spite of it being a remarkably low bar.  But I believe that when all is said and done Allen will not only be the best Bills QB of this century but right up there with the Bill's Giants of the previous century.

 

As an aside, does any NFL franchise have a weaker list of QB's in the 21st century then the Buffalo Bills?  Sometimes when you write it down it makes it look even worse then you remember it.  But then again that 18 year streak of missing the playoffs has a reason. 

[Kirby Jackson]

I’m always amazed at how fondly people remember Bledsoe. He SUCKED!! After his first 8 games in a Bills uniform he was 18-22 with a talented team. He averaged less than 200 yards a game, was a statue and turned it over as often as he scored TDs. He is the most over-appreciated player in Bills history.

[CincyBillsFan]

12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The 21st Century has eight plus decades to go.  Instant gratification get the best of this guy?

 

The way I answered the question is that when I die this century effectively dies from my POV so I'm not thinking of it as 80 more years.

 

And my answer assumes that after I die I don't get to sit up their in Heaven in my lounge chair drinking a Molson Golden while looking down and watching my beloved Bills play.  On 2nd thought that might be the definition of HELL!  Never mind! 

[KDIGGZ]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

Tyrod got the Bills to the playoffs

 

You mean they made it to the playoffs despite him

[MJS]

Have to give it to Tyrod. He at least played decent football, didn't turn the ball over, and did happen to be our QB when the playoff drought ended.

 

I'd give Bledsoe second. He had a good season, and then struggled after that.

 

Fitzpatrick probably gets third. His propensity to throw interceptions at the worst time knocks him down.

 

Those are my top 3. I'm not sure where all the love for Kyle Orton comes from. He had a few good games and then sucked after that. He was just as frustrating to watch as any other crappy Bills QB.

[TigerJ]

That's just strange.  For starters, the sample size of some of these QBs just isn't enough on which to make an evaluation.  Do you incorporate performances from previous teams.  Matt Barkley had a very good game for the Bills on November 11, yet he is ranked the 14th best out of 18.    Certainly that performance was better than the average EJ Manuel performance during his time in Buffalo.   Thus it seems like his ranking takes into acount his lackluster NFL career prior to his game for Buffalo.  Derek Anderson has played a couple games, and hasn't been very good.  His rating reflects that, (15th) but he did have a pro bowl season for Cleveland way back when.  As far as Josh Allen is concerned, I'm hopefuyl about his future, but I thyink it's pretty obvious his career thus far does not warrant him being rated as the best QB of the 21st century.

[uticaclub]

53 minutes ago, MJS said:

Have to give it to Tyrod. He at least played decent football, didn't turn the ball over, and did happen to be our QB when the playoff drought ended.

 

I'd give Bledsoe second. He had a good season, and then struggled after that.

 

Fitzpatrick probably gets third. His propensity to throw interceptions at the worst time knocks him down.

 

Those are my top 3. I'm not sure where all the love for Kyle Orton comes from. He had a few good games and then sucked after that. He was just as frustrating to watch as any other crappy Bills QB.

Sucked after that?

 

Orton finished that season strong, if the defense doesn’t melt down to the 3-13 Raiders, they make the playoffs with him. 

 

1) Orton

2) Tyrod

3) Bledsoe

4) Fitzy

5) Matt Barkley?

 

 

We’ve has probably 20 QBs start for us since 2000 & it’s hard to come up with 5 that were semi-decent.

[MJS]

Just now, uticaclub said:

Sucked after that?

 

Orton finished that season strong, if the defense doesn’t melt down to the 3-13 Raiders, they make the playoffs with him. 

 

1) Orton

2) Tyrod

3) Bledsoe

4) Fitzy

5) Matt Barkley?

 

 

We’ve has probably 20 QBs start for us since 2000 & it’s hard to come up with 5 that were semi-decent.

 

No he didn't. Orton sucked after the first handful of games. Go look at his game logs one more time.

 

If it makes you feel any better, I attribute the decline to Marrone and his ultra conservative style and demand that the QB never, ever turn the ball over. Orton got beat into submission and played scared in the second half of his starts.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

5 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

That's just strange.  For starters, the sample size of some of these QBs just isn't enough on which to make an evaluation.  Do you incorporate performances from previous teams.  Matt Barkley had a very good game for the Bills on November 11, yet he is ranked the 14th best out of 18.    Certainly that performance was better than the average EJ Manuel performance during his time in Buffalo.   Thus it seems like his ranking takes into acount his lackluster NFL career prior to his game for Buffalo.  Derek Anderson has played a couple games, and hasn't been very good.  His rating reflects that, (15th) but he did have a pro bowl season for Cleveland way back when.  As far as Josh Allen is concerned, I'm hopefuyl about his future, but I thyink it's pretty obvious his career thus far does not warrant him being rated as the best QB of the 21st century.

 

Great points on the consistency of the methods of evaluation

[H2o]

It's a toss up between Fitz and Tyrod right now imo. The jury is out on Allen, but I do think he will become better than the aforementioned for our team. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Who’s to say?   Allen’s only played 5 1/4 games!!  

 

Statistically speaking, Matt Barkley is probably the Bills’ best QB in the 21st century ?

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, WRONG JOSH said:

You mean they made it to the playoffs despite him

Tyrod's stats with the Bills were 51 TD's to 16 picks and 16 rushing TD's.

 

Whatever you think of him, he's clearly a top 3 QB this century with this franchise and arguably the best.

 

That's not saying much, but it is what it is.

[Rico]

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

That's pretty much the worst article ever written.

Ugh. The Pittsburgh debacle where we got beat by their practice squad. I was done with Bledsoe after that one.

That automatically puts him at the bottom of any Bills QB list, looking up at EJ and Peterman.

[MJS]

10 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Tyrod's stats with the Bills were 51 TD's to 16 picks and 16 rushing TD's.

 

Whatever you think of him, he's clearly a top 3 QB this century with this franchise and arguably the best.

 

That's not saying much, but it is what it is.

 

Yes. His ability to protect the football puts him over the edge. His TD:INT ratio is tremendous.

 

But he was too conservative and didn't get enough raw production as a passer (and his rushing stats did not nearly compensate for the lack of passing stats).

 

I think it is pretty easily Tyrod as the best since 2000.

Edited November 22, 2018 by MJS

[MrEpsYtown]

Matt Barkley. Played probably the best game for a Bills quarterback I have seen in years. 

[McBean]

Trying to see who the best Bills QB has been since Kelly is like picking which steaming pile of crap smells less 

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said:

for sure top 20

The real question is where does thad rank

 

Has to be 15 or above. He'd be shafted not to get some nods in that area

Edited November 22, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Kirby Jackson]

It should be Allen here within the next year or so. If he isn’t he will end up as a massive bust. I’m pretty confident that Allen will take steps forward and be a good QB.

 

At this point it is Tyrod, Fitz and Orton IMO. All 3 were competent NFL QBs. 

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

No he didn't. Orton sucked after the first handful of games. Go look at his game logs one more time.

 

If it makes you feel any better, I attribute the decline to Marrone and his ultra conservative style and demand that the QB never, ever turn the ball over. Orton got beat into submission and played scared in the second half of his starts.

I disagree, I thought he played with alot of balls. Almost made a comeback at Denver, always felt like maybe you had a chance

[Alphadawg7]

Stupid for anyone to say Allen is ranked anywhere good or bad in any list.  Nobody has any clue if Allen will be Elite, Great, Good, Average, Bad, or Terrible at this point.

 

And anyone not listing Tyrod as best QB in that era can’t separate their hate from reality.  It’s the highest scoring 3 years in Bills history outside the first 3 SB years and our only playoff birth.  

 

Bledsoe is 2.  Nobody else matters after that, they all sucked as Bills QBs and don’t belong on any list other than who sucked more list...in which Peterman is first...second...and third before anyone else enters the list.

[Mike in Horseheads]

11 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

I disagree, I thought he played with alot of balls. Almost made a comeback at Denver, always felt like maybe you had a chance

I'll never get over Orton's slide at Oakland. That alone push's him down the list.

[vorpma]

4 hours ago, row_33 said:

Tyrod got the Bills to the playoffs

 

So did Flutie, sorry, he is number one since Kelly. Orton will always be remembered for his feet first slide after scrambling short of a first down showing his heart was not into getting to the playoffs in a critical end of year game - possibly the Raiders! Tyrod number two, he did get us into the playoffs; Allen has a chance to bump into number if he wins. The rest - who cares! 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Tyrod has easily been the best Bills QB of the 2000's.

 

He lead the most consistently productive scoring offense the Bills have had since the SB era and was the least frequently intercepted % passer in NFL history while a Bill.

 

They've had better passers but they all had limitations that crippled their offense..............Rojo's lack of competitive motivation(which set the stage for his other issues)..........Bledsoe's cement shoes that made him vulnerable to inside pressure........Trent's post concussive cowardice......Fitz' inability to stretch the opposing D......Orton's lack of commitment to winning...........and a series of others with bigger issues.

[billsredneck1]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m always amazed at how fondly people remember Bledsoe. He SUCKED!! After his first 8 games in a Bills uniform he was 18-22 with a talented team. He averaged less than 200 yards a game, was a statue and turned it over as often as he scored TDs. He is the most over-appreciated player in Bills history.

bledsuck...bledsack...bledsore...drew dreadful...i joined the message board at that time. it was fun hammering on drew.  pat the ball, pat the ball....doohhhhh!  sack.

ha...he moved like frankenstein (sp?)...

Edited November 22, 2018 by billsredneck1

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It should be Allen here within the next year or so. If he isn’t he will end up as a massive bust. I’m pretty confident that Allen will take steps forward and be a good QB.

 

At this point it is Tyrod, Fitz and Orton IMO. All 3 were competent NFL QBs. 

Periodically, but never consistently long term. Granted, I’m being nitpicky

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

bledsuck...bledsack...bledsore...drew dreadful...i joined the message board at that time. it was fun hammering on drew.  pat the ball, pat the ball....doohhhhh!  sack.

 

Yep, good times. As always though, it would not have been as much fun without the very vocal apologists who thought he wasn't a problem. On this Thanksgiving Day, I take my hat off to them all.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Stupid for anyone to say Allen is ranked anywhere good or bad in any list.  Nobody has any clue if Allen will be Elite, Great, Good, Average, Bad, or Terrible at this point.

 

And anyone not listing Tyrod as best QB in that era can’t separate their hate from reality.  It’s the highest scoring 3 years in Bills history outside the first 3 SB years and our only playoff birth.  

 

Bledsoe is 2.  Nobody else matters after that, they all sucked as Bills QBs and don’t belong on any list other than who sucked more list...in which Peterman is first...second...and third before anyone else enters the list.

 

Fitzpatrick at least had one good year. He is worth mentioning if Bledsoe is, I think, but I would put him third behind Taylor and Bledsoe.