HappyDays Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I'm actually surprised by this, I figured after releasing Pryor they felt comfortable with Foster and McKenzie as their speed guys. Maybe Benjamin is going to have his role reduced moving forward. We can only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm actually surprised by this, I figured after releasing Pryor they felt comfortable with Foster and McKenzie as their speed guys. Maybe Benjamin is going to have his role reduced moving forward. We can only hope. That thought actually crossed my mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, ctk232 said: Signed McKenzie, released and brought Foster back up, cut Pryor, brought back DT (yay!)...pattern? Opinionated speculation: so is it safe to say our coaching staff thinks the issue with the corps was lack of speed? Certainly makes sense in terms of getting separation - but is this the [best] approach to helping Allen develop? I know a few points were made, and I've agreed with, that we should be getting receivers with large catch radii (a KB who can complete a catch, N'Keal Harry, etc.) to help with Allen's inaccuracy issues. No reason we can't have both, but seems like the priority here is being given to speed over physical receivers with high completion probability in a contested catch. What the hell is going on?! It's like I am fired up about this team, right now, for the rest of the season. I don't think they stand a chance at making the playoffs, but with all the moves lately, the win on Sunday and an attractive, homeward bound heavy schedule the second half of the season I am dying to see this team win some games. Check List Going Forward: 1. Give Allen a ton of snaps. 2. Get to at least 8-8 3. Keep the Defense at number 1 4. Draft 10 guys 5. Sign free agents with a chunk of that 80+ million Dollars 6. Watch Tom Brady turn 42 going into next season. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: That thought actually crossed my mind. It should have crossed everybody's mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I'm actually surprised by this, I figured after releasing Pryor they felt comfortable with Foster and McKenzie as their speed guys. Maybe Benjamin is going to have his role reduced moving forward. We can only hope. Not sure the staff can reduce it much more than KB decided to reduce it himself already. Regarding McKenzie, I think Daboll sees him as his Tyreek Hill/Tarik Cohen type player in his offense. He looked good on a couple of those sweeps on Sunday; an immediate infusion of speed that got the defense running around. I hear the knock on him is fumbles and if that's true if he doesn't clean that up he won't last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: That thought actually crossed my mind. With the way he is playing that wouldn’t be far fetched For a guy who’s specialty was supposed to be bodying corners and snatching the ball out of the air he sure plays like he’s 5’11 180 I was hoping we were getting a dog. We got a 6’5 250 pussycat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 From hearing crickets for months to finally making a strong push at getting some help @ WR....eventhough Pryor didnt work out i liked the attempt at least....Welcome back Deonte!! Love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said: What the hell is going on?! It's like I am fired up about this team, right now, for the rest of the season. I don't think they stand a chance at making the playoffs, but with all the moves lately, the win on Sunday and an attractive, homeward bound heavy schedule the second half of the season I am dying to see this team win some games. Check List Going Forward: 1. Give Allen a ton of snaps. 2. Get to at least 8-8 3. Keep the Defense at number 1 4. Draft 10 guys 5. Sign free agents with a chunk of that 80+ million Dollars 6. Watch Tom Brady turn 42 going into next season. Love the moves - and especially love that they are just doing something given what little resources they have right now. I'm trying to gauge my expectations for the rest of the season and not get too caught up in the excitement that we're so bad that any move is a good move and worth celebrating. But it's amazing what a win will do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, ctk232 said: Love the moves - and especially love that they are just doing something given what little resources they have right now. I'm trying to gauge my expectations for the rest of the season and not get too caught up in the excitement that we're so bad that any move is a good move and worth celebrating. But it's amazing what a win will do. You're telling me, ctk. I think some of my hair is growing back! (on my head, freaks!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Someone on here called this, well played whoever it was. I'd much rather have him on the roster, for the sake of Allen's development, than I would Pryor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 That great, but for some reason I just really want to talk about the Sabres. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, dneveu said: I just like that they see - the receivers aren't getting separation - and actually try and bring people in to address the situation. No doubt. Love the move and the fact that they are actually identifying issues and following through given limited resources to do so right now. I just thought they would target sizeable receivers with catch radii to counter Allen's accuracy issues, but pleasantly surprised by this approach as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 How long does he last on the roster? A week? 3 weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Hopefully Allen can spend some time with the new guys over the bye week. WR core is so much better than the last time he was on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsInWilmingtonNC Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Like the move, and it appears that they are looking for fast, shifty receivers.... similar to the players that the Patriots have gashed us with over the years, and that other teams seem to overlook due to questions about size. And with the physical play continually being taken out of football, I gotta say this would be a smart move IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 34 minutes ago, ctk232 said: Signed McKenzie, released and brought Foster back up, cut Pryor, brought back DT (yay!)...pattern? Opinionated speculation: so is it safe to say our coaching staff thinks the issue with the corps was lack of speed? Certainly makes sense in terms of getting separation - but is this the [best] approach to helping Allen develop? I know a few points were made, and I've agreed with, that we should be getting receivers with large catch radii (a KB who can complete a catch, N'Keal Harry, etc.) to help with Allen's inaccuracy issues. No reason we can't have both, but seems like the priority here is being given to speed over physical receivers with high completion probability in a contested catch. I don’t understand why they waited so long to make these moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Bills Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 If the move is to get more speed on the field the next move it to get rid of Benjamin. Cutting him would also send a good message to the young players about work ethic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, dneveu said: Plus you get a look to see if he's a fit. Holmes and Benjamin aren't making names for themselves, and will be gone. Clay hasn't either. McCloud is a rookie and hasn't been much of anything. Foster will be back but he's depth at best at this point in his career. This is a chance for him to carve out a role, and possibly earn some playing time next year. What do you mean at this point. Hes a rookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Wow. We ROASTED this guy after the playoff game against the Jagoffs. His dropped passes and the holding penalty on LeShady's massive run were big reasons we didn't win that playoff game. I'm not glad to see him back. Edited November 14, 2018 by Freddie's Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 44 minutes ago, ctk232 said: Signed McKenzie, released and brought Foster back up, cut Pryor, brought back DT (yay!)...pattern? Opinionated speculation: so is it safe to say our coaching staff thinks the issue with the corps was lack of speed? Certainly makes sense in terms of getting separation - but is this the [best] approach to helping Allen develop? I know a few points were made, and I've agreed with, that we should be getting receivers with large catch radii (a KB who can complete a catch, N'Keal Harry, etc.) to help with Allen's inaccuracy issues. No reason we can't have both, but seems like the priority here is being given to speed over physical receivers with high completion probability in a contested catch. I think our tight ends might have to fill this role & hopefully Benjamin can get his act together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 45 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Solid move...Beane should have never let him walk.He fights to get open,something we were severely lacking. I do agree with you on this. Here is something interesting in terms of Separation look who is #3: Top 10 separation WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Wow. We ROASTED this guy after the playoff game against the Jagoffs. His dropped passes and the holding penalty on LeShady's massive run were big reasons we didn't win that playoff game. I'm not glad to see him back. LOL....this guy actually does catch the ball and get open even if he does have some drops A very good aquisition for this time of year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 52 minutes ago, ctk232 said: Signed McKenzie, released and brought Foster back up, cut Pryor, brought back DT (yay!)...pattern? Opinionated speculation: so is it safe to say our coaching staff thinks the issue with the corps was lack of speed? Certainly makes sense in terms of getting separation - but is this the [best] approach to helping Allen develop? I know a few points were made, and I've agreed with, that we should be getting receivers with large catch radii (a KB who can complete a catch, N'Keal Harry, etc.) to help with Allen's inaccuracy issues. No reason we can't have both, but seems like the priority here is being given to speed over physical receivers with high completion probability in a contested catch. You've got an odd writing style that's sometimes difficult to decipher, but I like the way you think. If Allen is gonna be the guy, it makes a lot of sense to focus on receivers with greater catch radii. That being said, I wouldn't want to pass up a better player on that basis alone. That's short term thinking. Marquis Brown will end up being the best receiver in this draft IMO. I'm fine with them taking catch radii into account, but wouldn't be fine if that was a determining factor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: With the way he is playing that wouldn’t be far fetched For a guy who’s specialty was supposed to be bodying corners and snatching the ball out of the air he sure plays like he’s 5’11 180 I was hoping we were getting a dog. We got a 6’5 250 pussycat Seems like when he gets his hands on the ball he doesn't bring it into his body quick enough & the defender knocks it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: With the way he is playing that wouldn’t be far fetched For a guy who’s specialty was supposed to be bodying corners and snatching the ball out of the air he sure plays like he’s 5’11 180 I was hoping we were getting a dog. We got a 6’5 250 pussycat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Now I understand the Pryor move. They already had some old #10 DT jerseys kicking around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 53 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Awesome. Barkley has great chemistry with the speedy WRs. Oh, wait.... Yup hes done it consistantly his whole career. Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Bills must have watched the tape and determined that the team needed more speed on the field. Murphy playing some, McKenzie, Foster, Thompson, all are moves aimed in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 37 minutes ago, Juice_32 said: Someone on here called this, well played whoever it was. I'd much rather have him on the roster, for the sake of Allen's development, than I would Pryor. honestly, Juice, about 1/3 of us were disappointed when we didn't retain him, and the same 1/3 wanted him signed when he came available. However, yes, someone didn't actually bring it up very recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 55 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: Yeah, gotta agree with that... But I don't think it will take much to "carve out a role". Our WR room is so barren that I can't imagine that even next year there are 5 better receivers on the roster. Obviously he has to do something, I just don't think it's much. McKenzie and Zay are the only two so far that have done anything to justify their spot imo. Foster did more than McKenzie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said: Foster did more than McKenzie. I think they were pretty close if you include McKenzie's ST yards, which did help our field position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 super *****in bowl ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Dang if that # 10 aint gettin worn out this year.... Whats the record for most players to wear the same number on one team from September to December? 28 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Steve Martin did it better. Edited November 14, 2018 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: Now you're catching on. If you're gonna be bad, be historically bad. Try as they may, no one will ever duplicate the PeterMan's level of ineptitude. The man is a living legend. Actually, Jeff Tuel was as bad, but he got a relative quick hook, Marrone was more impatient. 20 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Bills must have watched the tape and determined that the team needed more speed on the field. Murphy playing some, McKenzie, Foster, Thompson, all are moves aimed in that direction. Actually, the criticism of the broadcast team for the Chicago game was very pointed in this regard.....maybe they got the idea there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 48 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: I don’t understand why they waited so long to make these moves. They took a swipe at mcKenzie earlier, but the Broncos called him to the active roster. When DEN demoted him again, the Bills swept in. Thompson just got released, Barkley just got healthy. Foster has been on the PS and finally got his game right, so they called him up. Pryor was brought in as soon as he was free. The Bills have been active for awhile, but I think it took Barkley to make them realize that the game plan could work with an NFL caliber QB. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: You've got an odd writing style that's sometimes difficult to decipher, but I like the way you think. If Allen is gonna be the guy, it makes a lot of sense to focus on receivers with greater catch radii. That being said, I wouldn't want to pass up a better player on that basis alone. That's short term thinking. Marquis Brown will end up being the best receiver in this draft IMO. I'm fine with them taking catch radii into account, but wouldn't be fine if that was a determining factor. I def need to look more into Brown and the other WRs - admittedly I've only really focused on Harry and AJ from early rumors they would be the top of the draft. I also focused on them as they seemed to fit our offenses needs more so at WR, in my mind. Clearly I was of the impression that adding size and receivers with a large catch radius would be best to combat Allen's accuracy issues, but targeting the speed guys like we have is something I didn't initially consider. Part of me is creating this idyllic narrative in my head of us drafting Harry and watching him and Allen become Kelly Reed 2.0 and becoming one of the best duos in the league. Pipe dream...I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, ctk232 said: I def need to look more into Brown and the other WRs - admittedly I've only really focused on Harry and AJ from early rumors they would be the top of the draft. I also focused on them as they seemed to fit our offenses needs more so at WR, in my mind. Clearly I was of the impression that adding size and receivers with a large catch radius would be best to combat Allen's accuracy issues, but targeting the speed guys like we have is something I didn't initially consider. Part of me is creating this idyllic narrative in my head of us drafting Harry and watching him and Allen become Kelly Reed 2.0 and becoming one of the best duos in the league. Pipe dream...I know You never know! I'm an Allen skeptic, but I'm not opposed to pairing him with a guy like Harry if they view him as roughly equal to a Brown. My only gripe would be if they reached. Let's say they view Brown as an 84 and Harry as an 82. I wouldn't have a problem taking Harry. If it's more like an 8 point gap, it would be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: You never know! I'm an Allen skeptic, but I'm not opposed to pairing him with a guy like Harry if they view him as roughly equal to a Brown. My only gripe would be if they reached. Let's say they view Brown as an 84 and Harry as an 82. I wouldn't have a problem taking Harry. If it's more like an 8 point gap, it would be a mistake. Not like we haven't done that before...in all honesty, I'm coming around to the idea of drafting Little with our 1st and getting a WR in the 2nd as that pick will likely be around the 37th ish area. I'm high on Harry for now, but wouldn't mind us landing a top WR talent in the 2nd at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 43 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I think they were pretty close if you include McKenzie's ST yards, which did help our field position. happy about both. Just hope for consistancy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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