TonyBeets Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) It's simple, who do you start presuming that Allen is healthy? Edited November 12, 2018 by TonyBeets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 No poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Allen 100 percent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Barkley vs. Jags. If he does well again, stay with him. If/When he falters bring in Allen to finish out the season. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyBeets Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No poll? Up now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Depends on what you want out of the season...are you trying to win or is your goal to give Allen experience? There is no right or wrong answer...but your answer should depend on what you want out of this season. That being said, I couldn’t care less either way...Go Bills! Edited November 12, 2018 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Barkley personally. He's had the best game to date for a quarterback, doesn't know the playbook and I got frustrated not knowing jack from JA's 100/0/0 stat lines since he just can't (for good reason) operate this offense and I have no clue how good he is.. which is really the only reason I want to see him start. We got to know if he's a bust ASAP, and I don't see any further evaluation other than "well he has no help so who knooooows". I want to see him play the cupcake Jets at home for sure. Maybe Barkley's the same way against non cupcakes. I'd like to find out. More importantly I want the defense to play meaningful 3rd quarters if Barkley can get us there so I want to see if he can do that. Edited November 12, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Allen. Starting a career backup journeyman makes no sense to me with the Bills sitting at 3-7. Allen's continued development is paramount in 2018 with on-field expereince the best way to accelerate his learning curve after the break he's already had. Edited November 12, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Was waiting for this thread...the answer is, one decent start does not a QB controversy make (at least it shouldn’t). JA is the future. We need to see what we’ve got, so we can plan accordingly. Also, Frank Reich was a backup beast back in the day, a consistent winner off the bench, but no one in their right mind would’ve said sit JK when healthy. Reason being, the physical skill set was widely different and the Bills knew Kelly’s arm was the more dangerous, consistent weapon all in all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I’m Voting Barkley. But that’s only until he faulters. If he starts looking like Peterman, then kick Allen or Anderson into the game. They now finally have the opportunity to do what they started out hoping for and that’s Allen learning this season. If he was healthy today I would have liked to see him in there in the 4th Q to get some reps. So eother were we’re winning big and he gets in and plays, or Barkley or Anderson looks so terrible you have to pull them. In that case were down big and Allen should play then too. But in no way should he play when there’s a meaningful down to him. Get in there and get reps. Learn the game and that’s it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 When you play absolutely lights out, you should get another chance to do it again. When he turns into a pumpkin, put Josh back in. If he never does and continues to be the guy he was today - that would be incredible. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, TonyBeets said: It's simple, who do you start presuming that Allen is healthy? You say that Allen needs more time to heal, and start Barkley. Simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, OJ Tom said: You say that Allen needs more time to heal, and start Barkley. Simple. and then everyone stares at you and says bull *****. Him almost playing this week makes that impossible. Edited November 12, 2018 by Warcodered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Depends on what you want out of the season...are you trying to win or is your goal to give Allen experience? There is no right or wrong answer...but your answer should depend on what you want out of this season. That being said, I couldn’t care less either way...Go Bills! To play devils advocate, what would be the purpose of winning possibly an additional game or so this year by starting a career 3rd stringer? Its all about 2019 now. Give Allen the reps and get him more experience going into next year Edited November 12, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Allen. Starting a career backup journeyman makes no sense to me with the Bills sitting at 3-7. Allen's continued development is paramount in 2018 with on-field expereince the best way to accelerate his learning curve after the break he's already had. I cannot argue with this however. I’m really good either way. But at this point now, I just assume bringing him along more slowly and let him learn a few more things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Was waiting for this thread There's been a ton of these threads lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 If Allen is 100% healthy, he starts. If there is any question on the elbow, I’d give him an additional week to sit and let Barkley take control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Barkley had a nice game But I start Allen. Let's not waste time. Barkley is not any sort of answer. Barkley threw for 230 ish and 2 TD which is nice but hardly something to change course over Edited November 12, 2018 by TheFunPolice 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, mrags said: I cannot argue with this however. I’m really good either way. But at this point now, I just assume bringing him along more slowly and let him learn a few more things I never really saw Improvement from him, this ain't a QB controversy I think it's just established he's not really getting a taste of real NFL games with his supporting caste so why not let him watch until Barkley pulls a Pete. Give Allen sophomore year with offense offesn and more offense his sophomore year. We'll have a really good how he stands as a QB talent if we put out this tire fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: To play devils advocate, what would be the purpose of winning possibly another game or so this year by starting a career 3rd stringer? Its all about 2019 now. Give Allen the reps and get him more experience going into next year This is a valid argument 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Barkley threw for 230 ish and 2 TD which is nice but hardly something to change course over Relative to prior performances, it was amazing. But no it was a cupcake game if we're being honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Allen. He’s the future. Barkley may give us the best chance to win on a per game basis, but I don’t think that matters this season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I never really saw Improvement from him, this ain't a QB controversy I think it's just established he's not really getting a taste of real NFL games with his supporting caste so why not let him watch until Barkley pulls a Pete. Give Allen sophomore year with offense offesn and more offense his sophomore year. We'll have a really good how he stands as a QB talent if we put out this tire fire. That’s exactly what I posted just before this post. I’m good either barkley or even Anderson starting the rest of the way unless and until they either crap the bed. Or just get so far ahead like today and Allen can come in for the 4th Q and mop up to get some reps 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Barkley. I have been in the sit Allen camp all year. Allen last week said watching has helped a lot and I believe beating up a rookie is not the key to success especially considering how raw he is. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Keep Barkley as backup and Gramps as tutor and 3rd stringer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Barkley. If he plays well again, and the offense scores like a normal NFL offense, stick with him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Barkley threw for 230 ish and 2 TD which is nice but hardly something to change course over Perhaps you haven't been watching the Bills the last few seasons? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCDAWG Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Barkley...Let Josh learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Perhaps you haven't been watching the Bills the last few seasons? Nobody is saying cut the guy... But I'm not getting too worked up over a meh day for the good QBs in this league. Great compared to the awful play we've seen... Sure. Barkley has a body of work in the league and it isn't great. Eventually guys catch the picks. Why waste valuable game time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Barkley. You can better assess the needs of the offense this coming offseason this way. If there were fewer questions on that side of the ball then maybe Allen. Right now we know that McDermott has the defense in back of him so I would hate to risk having them quit on him by going back to an impotent O. More to this than building up Allen currently. The Bills get to a point where they are mathematically eliminated from playoffs then put Allen in by all means. With any luck that won't happen until December. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Barkley. If he plays well again, and the offense scores like a normal NFL offense, stick with him There’s something to be said for this too. If the rest of the offense looks competent again against the jags with Barkley, that would make 3 solid QBs performances out of Barkley and Anderson. With Peterman and Allen struggling. It shows that they aren’t ready or are just plain bad. Hopefully Allen just isn’t ready and Peterman is just that bad. Either way, if the offense looks solid again under Barkley, you need to stay with him. Gives Allen more to look at as well. Gives him an idea of what a competent offense looks like. Instead of looking like the worst in the league. Not learning anything. And already getting down on his play even though he hasn’t taken the field in weeks. You can just tell and feel the difference like today makes. Before today we were not talking about winning another game all year. Now all the sudden we put up over 200 passing with 2 TDs and almost 200 rushing with multiple TDs. The defense was able to tee off on the Jets and do what they do. Everyone plays better. And that would help Allen as well when he actually gets in there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Keep Barkley as backup and Gramps as tutor and 3rd stringer Exactly. Allen Barkley Anderson And if it works, keep Anderson as a poor man"s Jordan Palmer after you retire him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 All that said, if they stick with Barkley I won't freak out but it'll just be a waste of reps for Allen IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 To me while Barkley played well it’s the equivalent of Peterman in the preseason. Everyone thought he looked great and then when it was for real against a legit D who isn’t playing to get their coach fired, he buckled. You have nothing additional to gain by starting Barkley. If Allen is healthy he goes. That’s my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Either or at this point for me as long as they call an offense the way they did today. I really don't think we have seen the type of play calling from Daboll all season that we have today. Maybe he trusted Barkley more since he has more game experience but I feel like they have been just calling the safe plays for the majority of the season just to get Allen and Peterman the reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: All that said, if they stick with Barkley I won't freak out but it'll just be a waste of reps for Allen IMO That’s exactly it. It’s just a waste of time if Allen doesn’t see the field. All about 2019 now so get allen all the experience possible at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, MarkAF43 said: To me while Barkley played well it’s the equivalent of Peterman in the preseason. Everyone thought he looked great and then when it was for real against a legit D who isn’t playing to get their coach fired, he buckled. You have nothing additional to gain by starting Barkley. If Allen is healthy he goes. That’s my opinion. It was a road game against a very good defense, in the division and the guy has only been on the team for 12 days. We scored 41 points and he threw more TDs in 15 completions then we have in the last 3 games 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Why would you not want to start Barkley until he sucks it up? It will give Allen more time to sit and learn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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