Lafromboise Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Discuss. I believe he blew by mahommes velocity record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 There’s nothing to discuss this is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 He sure does have a cannon! If he fixes accuracy and learns to take some off in certain throws Allen will have a chance to be special. Arm strength is just one part of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Neither. I think Ah-nold Schwartzgovernor could break both guhr-lee men in half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Who cares? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Who cares? You could take that kind of an attitude about being a Bills fan to begin with, but otherwise it’s as fair game as pretty much most other threads I’ve seen posted around here—let’s lighten up? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 He has the strongest arm ever recorded at the combine. Not only were his combine numbers the best ever, but he topped those velocity numbers at the Senior Bowl. He has the strongest arm eve according the the numbers. But what does it really matter? You have to have so many other traits to be a successful QB. Throwing hard can only take you so far. It's whether or not he can figure out how to play the position that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I wonder if his injury will have long term effects on his arm strength. I hope not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 This is one of the reasons to be enthused about this kid and his ridiculously high ceiling which is higher in terms of physicality than any of the other 2018 Rooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) Pretty well chonicled that he does, but there's a lot more that goes into playing QB well at the NFL level beyond arm strength. Edited November 10, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 His arm is ridiculous yes..just needs to harness it and learn he doesn't have to throw lasers on every pass . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) I’d like to see jp measured on that scale. He threw 60 yard bombs with ease Edited November 10, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafromboise Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Who cares? Hes your quarterback 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Strongest since Jim Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafromboise Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I’d like to see jp measured on that scale. He threw 60 yard bombs with ease Those lee evans connections man...have me thinking of the 06 houston game man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I won't believe it until Bills wideouts go on IR because he's broken multiple fingers and given them cracked ribs from catching his passes. Maybe he could knock out Kelvin Benjamin with a shot to the side of his head. It might improve his receiving corps. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafromboise Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, sven233 said: He has the strongest arm ever recorded at the combine. Not only were his combine numbers the best ever, but he topped those velocity numbers at the Senior Bowl. He has the strongest arm eve according the the numbers. But what does it really matter? You have to have so many other traits to be a successful QB. Throwing hard can only take you so far. It's whether or not he can figure out how to play the position that really matters. You know he will. Loves football to much not to go to his furthest corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, Lafromboise said: Discuss. I believe he blew by mahommes velocity record. Once you say “in decades” you can likely say “ever” for most measurables. Training, nutrition, and the science of player development are all just another level. to this question- I’d say arguably yes. Depending on the qualifiers I’d say he probably rates in the top handful for just about any test (just straight radar gun fast ball or sheer distance), but if it’s got an accuracy qualifier (fastest throw to reliably hit a 40 yard tight target) might get interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 No doubt - right up there with Cunningham, Elway, Harris & Uncle Rico. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 What does this matter so did Jamarcus Russel. How’d his arm help him 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: What does this matter so did Jamarcus Russel. How’d his arm help him Lets just hope Allen's career goes the complete opposite as J. Russel's lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, Patrick_Duffy said: Lets just hope Allen's career goes the complete opposite as J. Russel's lol Lol we can only hope. I think he is way more determined and Russel also got way more money and probably felt like he was set for life. He clearly didn’t love the game the way I think Allen does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 37 minutes ago, Looper said: No doubt - right up there with Cunningham, Elway, Harris & Uncle Rico. No. No. No. Yes. It's that rarified mountain air. Right over those mountains. No doubt in my (or his) mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I haven’t seen any deep balls he’s thrown in the NFL games that have proven he has a strong arm. He’s thrown a few lasers. But nothing deep that puts me in awe of his incredible arm. Mahomes on the other hand has thrown some bombs that have made my jaw drop 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, mrags said: I haven’t seen any deep balls he’s thrown in the NFL games that have proven he has a strong arm. He’s thrown a few lasers. But nothing deep that puts me in awe of his incredible arm. Mahomes on the other hand has thrown some bombs that have made my jaw drop And they were actually completions 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Rebel101 said: And they were actually completions Parts of that aren’t his fault because Foster couldn’t locate a football the size of a 757 coming right at him. But still, his arm in his deep throws has been underwhelming so far imo. Even the ones he’s had, they have been underthrown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Lafromboise said: Discuss. I believe he blew by mahommes velocity record. Allen doesn't even have the strongest arm in the league right now, except maybe in shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 He has one of the strongest arms ever. I have no idea if he will ever be a good NFL QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, mrags said: Parts of that aren’t his fault because Foster couldn’t locate a football the size of a 757 coming right at him. But still, his arm in his deep throws has been underwhelming so far imo. Even the ones he’s had, they have been underthrown. Do you think that’s an issue of strength or accuracy? Under throwing can EASILY be poor anticipation or placement on balls that could’ve been thrown further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Do you think that’s an issue of strength or accuracy? Under throwing can EASILY be poor anticipation or placement on balls that could’ve been thrown further I get your point, but there is no evidence to support anything at this point. All I can go by is the fact that multiple throws have been underthrown and leading me to wishing there was more. I’m a fan of Allen, and Hopefully I’m wrong, but evidence suggests otherwise. I also do do not belive in McD and believe anyone under his tutelage will fail. So my hope is pretty much out the window with Allen. Edited November 10, 2018 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, mrags said: So far, all I can confirm that multiple throws that are supposed to be deep, leading his WRs intobwhat would hope would be a long TD; have been underthrown. I get your point, but there is no evidence to support anything at this point. All I can go by is the fact that multiple throws have been underthrown and leading me to wishing there was more. I’m a fan of Allen, and Hopefully I’m wrong, but evidence suggests otherwise. I also do do not belive in McD and believe anyone under his tutelage will fail. So my hope is pretty much out the window with Allen. Im not feeling particularly optimistic about McD or his development of a project qb... but I do generally believe allen can throw the ball a mile without accounting for accuracy. That’s the only reason I brought up the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Im not feeling particularly optimistic about McD or his development of a project qb... but I do generally believe allen can throw the ball a mile without accounting for accuracy. That’s the only reason I brought up the question. I used to belive that too. Except evidence points to the facts that when he has tried to throw it deep so far this year, his passes have been underthtown. Hopefully its just a mistake in accuracy. Hopefully he needs to learn to plant his feet. Hopefully whatever it is, can be coached. But I have no faith in this coaching staff helping him through that. And I have serious doubts that it’s not just him not being able to throw the ball a country mile like we all previously believed. Hopefully im wrong. I really like Allen and want him to succeed. He was my number 1 choice coming out because of his physical attributes. So far I’ve been wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: Does it matter? Certainly not when it’s broken.....? Get well, Josh! Then show us what you got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Lafromboise said: Discuss. I believe he blew by mahommes velocity record. Discuss? OK "Strongest Arm in teh league" Worst yards-per-attempt in the league too. Too bad that our braintrust doesn't understand that the vast majority of pass plays are short-medium. There's WAY too much emphasis placed on arm-strength by people that should understand football much better than they do and who get paid to understand it as such. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Having a strong arm is great and all but if the QB can’t process what’s going on in front of him or doesn’t have the ability to make accurate throws then it doesn’t matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 hours ago, jrober38 said: Who cares? LaFromBoise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 hours ago, The_Dude said: Does it matter? It sure didn't for JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Jamarcus Russel and Josh Freeman, among others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, mrags said: I used to belive that too. Except evidence points to the facts that when he has tried to throw it deep so far this year, his passes have been underthtown. Hopefully its just a mistake in accuracy. Hopefully he needs to learn to plant his feet. Hopefully whatever it is, can be coached. But I have no faith in this coaching staff helping him through that. And I have serious doubts that it’s not just him not being able to throw the ball a country mile like we all previously believed. Hopefully im wrong. I really like Allen and want him to succeed. He was my number 1 choice coming out because of his physical attributes. So far I’ve been wrong. That's a concern---that this coaching staff, will start screwing with his mechanics & screw it up. Different staff but remember the year they made a big deal in preseason about improving Fritz's mechanics & he played worse. Apparently Josh did well when Palmer was working with him before the draft, that's why I wish they would bring in a proven QB coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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