Notable Offensive Moves by McDermott

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

You miss the point. 

 

The ENTIRE McD philosophy and approach was backwards and broken from the very start. 

 

 

...you miss the point

 

 

...that’s in your opinion. 

 

I don’t approve of a lot, but there is some good stuff that I think may take us forward. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Augie

[Luka]

4 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

You miss the point. 

 

The ENTIRE McD philosophy and approach was backwards and broken from the very start. 

 

His philosophy isn't broken but they might want to seriously consider finding scouts that can assess offensive players as well as they can defensive players.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Luka

[Scott7975]

38 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Bills Offensive Moves with McDermott as HC.

 

- trade Sammy Watkins for 2nd round pick

- signed Vlad Ducasse,  Patrick DiMarco & Andre Holmes 

- don't pick Mahomes or Watson, trade out of the #10 spot

- trade up for Zay Jones

- draft Dion Dawkins

- sign Anquan Boldin 

- trade 3rd round pick for Kelvin Benjamin

- bench Tyrod Taylor so Nate Peterman can play

- trade Cordy Glenn and a 1st round pick to move up in the draft 

- trade Tyrod Taylor 

- sign Chris Ivory 

- trade 1st rounder and two 2nds for Josh Allen

- sign Jeremy Kerley

- trade for Cory Coleman

- cut Cory Coleman

- start Nate Peterman as QB1

- trade AJ McCarron for 5th round pick 

- sign Derek Anderson

- sign Terrell Pryor 

 

How has McDermott earned another year to try and fix the offense? 

 

This is their OL, their group of QBs, their RBs, and their WRs, and the offense is scoring 10.6 PPG. 

You forgot cut Kerley

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

It’s only whining if you only post the negative. I’m not blindly positive, but I see both sides. Did we clear cap? Yes. Do we have a healthy draft outlook? Yes.  Did we pay Sammy $16 mil per year to be a distant third in catches, and 4th in TD’s?  No. 

 

BALANCE people, see the good with the bad. 

 

I don't necessarily see those things as positives given who is making the decisions.

 

We have a bunch of cap. Who cares? There are 10 teams in the NFL with more than $60 mil in cap space. The top 5 teams are all in similar cap situations to ours, and they all have the same needs for OL and WR help. 

 

Having draft picks is nice, but if this regime has shown anything it's that they don't value them, often trading them away for picks or players so they can get their guy, often paying too much along the way. All of the guys they've singled out through trades simply have not performed, and the list of guys they've added at WR has been particularly disturbing. 

 

This regime has made it clear they value character over talent. McDermott preaches culture, and getting things going the right way, and the result is that we have one of the least athletic offenses in the league. Our OL can't block a screen pass, and our WRs can do nothing but run crossing routes because they're devoid of speed. 

 

There's nothing about our approach to free agents or the draft that suggests we have any edge on the competition. We're still drafting the old school way and don't seem to be using any advanced analytics on the offensive side of the ball which is a huge problem in my eyes. 

[Luka]

2 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

By previous regime, you mean Whaley.

 

The interesting thing is that both you guys could be correct.

 

I agree that we gave up way too much to trade up for Sammy - especially given what they gave up to relative to what the Dolphins gave up the prior year - the Dolphins gave up less to move up more spots.   

 

Having said that, trading Sammy for what we got for him proved not to be a good deal. I hate it when my teams buy high and sell low.

 

Watkins would still be doing nothing in Buffalo. Allen might have gotten a few deep balls to him but that's about it. And with how terrible all the other receivers are, he'd be easy to double cover.

[Ol Dirty B]

11 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

No they can say what they want, but statements like “Beane should be fired” are just futile because it’s not going to happen.  

 

I mean all our statements on here are relatively futile. I get your point though.

[Phil The Thrill]

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I mean all our statements on here are relatively futile. I get your point though.

 

Thanks??

[jrober38]

8 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

 

Sammy Watkins is still easily the best WR we'd have on our roster. He's not a #1 in KC, but he would be for half the teams in the NFL.

 

Zay Jones is not a #2. He's a #4/#5 guy on half the teams in the NFL. He's slow, struggles against man coverage, and offers nothing on special teams. He's only on the field because we don't have anything better. 

 

Benjamin was a terrible trade. A big slow receiver coming out of college who hadn't produced since his rookie season and can't separate. 

 

The moves they've made on the OL, and at WR, have been awful. We're scoring 10.6 PPG because those two spots are so bad relative to the rest of the league. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

26 minutes ago, KOKO NFL said:

You mean Brandon Beane.

Apparently he doesn't.  They must all look the same.

[Peter]

14 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

Watkins would still be doing nothing in Buffalo. Allen might have gotten a few deep balls to him but that's about it. And with how terrible all the other receivers are, he'd be easy to double cover.

 

It is the chicken and the egg.  Did Sammy underperform because of the QBs we had?  

 

He still would be head and shoulders better than each WR we have on the team now.  This regime managed to get rid of or make no attempt to keep some darn good receivers:

 

Sammy

 

Robert Woods

 

Marquise Goodwin.

 

This regime also made no attempt to keep our prior outstanding WR coach Sanjay Lal or our outstanding offensive line coach Aaron Kromer.

 

Instead McCoach decided to keep the absolute worst coach on the prior staff for reasons we can only guess.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Peter

[Augie]

The offense is terrible. That’s painfully obvious. I’ll give them another year to work on that, then judge. If you’re NOT willing to do that, I suggest taking a sabbatical rather than whine yourself or the rest of us to death. 

 

If you hate it that much, just go away. Reasonable and thoughtful criticism is of course part of a healthy discussion. Unfortunately, most of this is just repetitive whining, and not at all creative or thoughtful. 

 

I know, I’m trying to hold back a tsunami with a sandpail, but I’ve said my piece. 

[Bing Bong]

You forgot Tolbert! Come on man!

[McNubbins]

Where's the gofundme page for the billboard? ?

[Luka]

1 minute ago, Peter said:

 

It is the chicken and the egg.  Did Sammy underperform because of the QBs we had?  

 

He still would be head and shoulders better than each WR we have on the team now.  This regime managed to get rid of or make no attempt to keep some darn good receivers:

 

Sammy

 

Robert Woods

 

Marquis Goodwin.

 

This regime also made no attempt to keep our prior outstanding WR coach Sanjay Lal or our outstanding offensive line coach Aaron Kromer.

 

Instead McCoach decided to keep the absolute worst coach on the prior staff for reasons we can only guess.

 

It has nothing to do with chickens. The guy is one dimensional, always has been, always will be. Woods leaving was the worst. He was the best all around receiver on the team. Blocking, catching, route running, effort. Goodwin was a surprise to me when he left, he couldn't catch a cold in Buffalo. Sammy was wide receiver #3 in the most prolific offense last year with the Rams. This year is more of the same with KC, although he is probably on pace to have his best year, in his 6th season with his 3rd team.

[Bing Bong]

2 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

It has nothing to do with chickens. The guy is one dimensional, always has been, always will be. Woods leaving was the worst. He was the best all around receiver on the team. Blocking, catching, route running, effort. Goodwin was a surprise to me when he left, he couldn't catch a cold in Buffalo. Sammy was wide receiver #3 in the most prolific offense last year with the Rams. This year is more of the same with KC, although he is probably on pace to have his best year, in his 6th season with his 3rd team.

I loved and still love Sammy's game. Surprised he didn't get more numbers post Bills but I saw the Ram's offense rarely throw deep (Sammy), and Goff was getting his feet wet throwing to Woods and Cupp midrange, fantastic route runners. Not to mention Gurley's giant usage rate (800 yards receiving to boot). and the Chiefs offense is so damn good Sammy just really is #3.

 

Butt I guess in retrospect the trade should have been made. He had one more year, and was malcontent to the point it didn't seem likely he'd stay, and a second and EJ Gaines is a great haul.

 

That said, given Tyrod's obvious chemistry with Sammy I think we beat the Jags absolutely and go to the divisional round (would be amazing).. and idk man I'd take that if I had to choose between the trade and divisional playoff football.

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said:

Allen is his and Beane's QB. They need another year so see what they can do with this amount of cap space and 10 draft picks. Playoffs 2019 or fired.

They don't need to make the playoffs next year to keep their jobs. If there is any Indication that Allen is the real deal they'll stick.

22 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

It has nothing to do with chickens. The guy is one dimensional, always has been, always will be. Woods leaving was the worst. He was the best all around receiver on the team. Blocking, catching, route running, effort. Goodwin was a surprise to me when he left, he couldn't catch a cold in Buffalo. Sammy was wide receiver #3 in the most prolific offense last year with the Rams. This year is more of the same with KC, although he is probably on pace to have his best year, in his 6th season with his 3rd team.

Pretty much nailed it. Agreed.

[Luka]

10 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I loved and still love Sammy's game. Surprised he didn't get more numbers post Bills but I saw the Ram's offense rarely throw deep (Sammy), and Goff was getting his feet wet throwing to Woods and Cupp midrange, fantastic route runners. Not to mention Gurley's giant usage rate (800 yards receiving to boot). and the Chiefs offense is so damn good Sammy just really is #3.

 

Butt I guess in retrospect the trade should have been made. He had one more year, and was malcontent to the point it didn't seem likely he'd stay, and a second and EJ Gaines is a great haul.

 

That said, given Tyrod's obvious chemistry with Sammy I think we beat the Jags absolutely and go to the divisional round (would be amazing).. and idk man I'd take that if I had to choose between the trade and divisional playoff football.

He was always a gadget player and deep threat. Problem was when he got to the NFL he couldn't break tackles and juke defenders like he could in the ACC (imagine that.)

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Well we could go all-in on McDermott’s philosophy. 

 

Use most of the 10 draft picks and $80MM on defense. See if we can build a defense that only allows 10 ppg. 

 

Now chained to this offense we’d be 4-5 with only 10 ppg allowed (which is the best defense ever) but we’d be able to play the field position and play complimentary football just like McDermott wants. 

[Bing Bong]

14 minutes ago, Luka said:

He was always a gadget player and deep threat. Problem was when he got to the NFL he couldn't break tackles and juke defenders like he could in the ACC (imagine that.)

Yeah.. and he doesn't like contact. But I'd point out most great NFL receivers were in gadget plays. These are gadget offenses getting the ball to their best (future NFL 1st rounder) player quickly and easily. Hopkins played the same role I'd wager

[yungmack]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Because luckily Pegula and co have more patience than idiots on the internet

Learn to be less nasty. 

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, yungmack said:

Learn to be less nasty. 

 

Idiots on the internet refers to myself as well. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Keeping Peterman around after throwing up on himself so many times is pretty "offensive".

[Fadingpain]

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Fans can come on here and whine all they want.  McDermott and Beane are going no where.  You may see a few position coaches or Crossman get fired, but don’t expect any top players to be out of job anytime soon.

Why do you and your ilk write this constantly and seemingly revel in it?
 

Are you a Bills fan?  Are you interested in seeing the Bills become a good team that wins games?

 

Why do you direct anger at your fellow Bills fans and posters at this forum but not at the organization that actually constructed and fielded the team that is the laughing stock of the league?

 

 

 

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Why do you and your ilk write this constantly and seemingly revel in it?
 

Are you a Bills fan?  Are you interested in seeing the Bills become a good team that wins games?

 

Why do you direct anger at your fellow Bills fans and posters at this forum but not at the organization that actually constructed and fielded the team that is the laughing stock of the league?

 

 

 

 To do this, we needed to go through a little pain because of previous regimes. It's just how it is. 

[Watkins90]

2 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

So they should just say nothing then? I'm not sure what you're suggesting

When we have 18 million of these threads every week. Yes, yes they should. 

[billieve420]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

Why would you expect that to happen when looking at their track record for roster moves on the offensive side of the ball? 

 

There are no guarantees but they will have the cap space and draft capital to improve that side of the ball. We will have to see what their plan is in the offseason.

 

Beane/McDermott are not going anywhere so they will have to find a way to fix the offense or that will become the downfall of this regime like so many in the past. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by billieve420

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

I brought this whole sordid mess out in the same detail about 3 weeks ago. The dumb decisions since then have been sign Barkley.  I don't trust these idiots to fix anything on the offensive side of the ball. They need to bring someone with a track record for offense in.

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, The_Dude said:

You have to ask yourself, is McDumbass the guy you want in charge of Josh Allen’s future?

 

Or playing with $90 million in cap room.

[The Now Moment]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

No, they really don't anymore. 

 

You have one-offs here and there, but continuous, sustained success is driven by stud QBs with innovative coaches who can light up the scoreboard. 

Just because in the last two years one hasn't made it doesn't mean one can't.  Before that there was at least a run first team in the super bowl for at least a handful of years straight.  Running games are still important.  Having a versatile runner who can catch too is very helpful.  I'm for a balanced approach.  There's situations in a game where you need both.  Finding a balance is important for this team.

[twoandfourteen]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Just because in the last two years one hasn't made it doesn't mean one can't.  Before that there was at least a run first team in the super bowl for at least a handful of years straight.  Running games are still important.  Having a versatile runner who can catch too is very helpful.  I'm for a balanced approach.  There's situations in a game where you need both.  Finding a balance is important for this team.

 

Stop looking back at where we've been & start looking where we're headed. 

 

Did you watch the Rams & Saints? Are you watching the Pats & Packers? 

 

The running game is complementary to the passing game. It's a secondary feature for modern NFL offenses. Now, the Rams & Saints are statistically more "balanced" towards the run, but they are still capable of throwing for 400+ and 4 TDs when called upon. 

 

 

[Ol Dirty B]

46 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

When we have 18 million of these threads every week. Yes, yes they should. 

 

It's pretty arrogant for you to play the holy gatekeeper. People have opinions, and the point of message boards is to discuss something you find interesting 

 

When I saw posts and threads about Colton Schmidt I wouldn't be all up in them. Just ignore it at a certain point. That's what I do to @John from Riverside

[Ol Dirty B]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

The offense is terrible. That’s painfully obvious. I’ll give them another year to work on that, then judge. If you’re NOT willing to do that, I suggest taking a sabbatical rather than whine yourself or the rest of us to death. 

 

If you hate it that much, just go away. Reasonable and thoughtful criticism is of course part of a healthy discussion. Unfortunately, most of this is just repetitive whining, and not at all creative or thoughtful. 

 

I know, I’m trying to hold back a tsunami with a sandpail, but I’ve said my piece. 

 

Your piece is essentially, you can disagree with me and I get that. Then quickly goes to if I don't like your opinion go away for awhile. 

 

Lol you're better than that.

 

[iinii]

3 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

The NFL now is drastically different than it was 4 years ago.

 

The current NFL's rules, and their attempt to eliminate big hits and call more holding and PI calls makes it incredibly easy to score points.

 

The current NFL is about scoring points because that's what the rules encourage. You're encouraged to throw the ball, because in addition to your expected gain (YPA) being greater than your average run (YPC), there are additional penalties baked in (roughing the passer, defensive holding, defensive PI) which making passing a much more lucrative option than running the ball. 

 

I'm not saying the run is useless, but I am saying that if you can't pass the football extremely well in 2018 you probably won't be very successful. Right now we have the worst offense in at least 20 years and the worst passing game in the league. 

 

Our coach is completely ignoring rule changes and basic probabilities by wanting to keep playing defense first, trying to win the field position battle and limit turnovers on offense.

 

What we do philosophically is nothing like what you see from any of the top teams around the league.  

Starting Peterman is indicative of trying to limit turnovers?

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 To do this, we needed to go through a little pain because of previous regimes. It's just how it is. 

Is that like a little pregnant?

[Dopey]

3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

I think you have had one too many Labatt’s.  I didn’t share my thoughts about anyone.  I just said it’s useless to complain because no one at the top is getting fired after 2018.  It’s not going to happen, but people here honestly think there’s a chance of McDermott or Beane losing their jobs.  

 

That would be like me repeatedly saying “the Bills aren’t going to make the playoff this year.”  We already know that, so what’s the point?

He drinks Wild Irish Rose. Labatts is too classy.

[Dadonkadonk]

I've seen enough of Beane and McD. I don't need to see another year to know they suck.  They are terrible at judging talent.  IThey want to get rid of guys who don't buy in instead of coaching them.   

There was no need to destroy the team they were handed.  Almost every personnel decision they have made has been bad.  

That said, I agree there is less than 5% chance they are let go.  Maybe a few more embarrassing losses to Jets/Dolphins might do it.  But I suspect they will win 2 more games and be allowed to set the franchise back another 5 years.

[Agent 91]

4 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Fans can come on here and whine all they want.  McDermott and Beane are going no where.  You may see a few position coaches or Crossman get fired, but don’t expect any top players to be out of job anytime soon.

I wouldn't even bet on crossman OR Castillo getting the can 

[Fadingpain]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I think it is possible McBeane are let go this year or at year's end if, and it' a big "IF", if Pegula becomes embarrassed by our situation especially amongst his fellow owners.

It would have to be an unplanned thing with the situation blowing up much worse, perhaps, than Pegula planned for.

 

Shortly before he was fired by Pegula, Darcy Regier's contract was extended multiple years.  Everyone at that time in Sabres Land was saying the same thing, that Darcy is going nowhere...and that all seemed to make sense.

 

Right up until the day when, out of nowhere, Pegula fired his ass.

 

Could/would Pegula do something like that with McBeane?  Has he learned and changed such that he would NOT do it, even if compelled to? Does he think this season is going 100% perfectly according to plan so no big deal?

 

I don't know.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'd rather those picks get used by someone who actually knows something about modern NFL offensive strategy. 

And, that is.....?

[Coach Tuesday]

If you don’t like the product stop paying for it - it’s that simple.

[GETTOTHE50]

I dont 'need' playoffs in 2019, but I do want atleast 14 games to be competitive and for them to be worthy of discussion through atleast week 15. 

if they dont finish atleast 8-8 then they absolutely have to go