Notable Offensive Moves by McDermott

[Ayjent]

17 hours ago, Boca BIlls said:

Understand but they get another year, that is just the way it needs to be. We need to see if they can have a stellar off season. We also need to know if the QB they picked is any good. At least if they get fired next year we will know with the new coach we need a QB.

I'm no fan of these guys other than McD's ability to get some overachieving results at times.  Even then there are more stinkers than shockers....ummm...(insert the butt end of the joke here).

 

However, I really think that they do get until next year and it makes sense to wait to see how they unfold their plan and if for no other reason, to see if Josh Allen is showing marked improvement.  However, this has been really ugly and I think exploded in their faces way more than they let on and many people are rationalizing this as part of the plan.  Keep telling yourself that, but they thought they were going to be somewhat better than last year and that Peterman would bring them some value if he could show out to be as capable of a QB as Taylor (parlaying it into another trade or valuable back up).  They thought Zay would show improvement and that Benjamin would be healthy - a good 1 and 2 WR, and they thought they were set at RB and TE.  They knew the OL would be a bit of an issue, but something that they could overcome. 

 

This is why they should be in more trouble than a lot of people think.  Yes the cap situation and draft picks are going to be there to try to address issues, but if they fail to hit at a high percentage in the offseason - they are done midseason and don't make it out of the third year.   Problem is that they may have created the same problem they just dug themselves out of, because I'm sensing that next year may change plans to a success or bust plan and not a building for the long term plan.

 

Frankly, I've seen no sign that they know what they are doing on the Offensive side of the ball either in picking up personnel or playing to the strengths of their personnel.  The best play they get out of Allen is when they use him as a RB frequently and that is just not sustainable nor anything different than the guy they just got rid of in the offseason.  

Edited November 5, 2018 by Ayjent

[jrober38]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

This might be a reasonable tactic if the problems on offense were simply the result of poor QBing, but they are not.  

• The OL cannot block for the running game and it cannot protect the passer, ergo no QB is going to look very good.  In 2016, the Bills had a good run blocking OL that wasn't so good at pass blocking.  McDermott's wisdom turned it into a mediocre run blocking OL that was lousy at pass blocking in 2017, and this year it's simply a crappy OL since the entire left side of the line, from the center outward (C, LG, LT) were replaced with bottom feeders who, at best, might be serviceable in the right situations.  That includes the vaunted Dion Dawkins who may very well be better suited to play inside rather than outside at OT.
• The WRs are not NFL caliber.  They weren't NFL caliber WRs in 2017, either, and all of them were McDermott's "guys" not Whaley's.   Imagine how much better the Bills QB's might look if they had WRs who could get some separation and could actually catch the ball when it hits them in the hands ala Robert Woods or Sammy Watkins.  Imagine how much better the running game might be if the CBs and Ss were back pedaling at the snap because the Bills actually had a speedy WR who might take it to the house if he got loose, ala Marquise Goodwin.   The Bills WRs are so bad because McDermott was stupid enough to keep not one of these guys because he thinks that new-fangled forward pass is a fad ... like raccoon coats and swallowing live goldfish.
• The TEs, except for Clay, are not NFL caliber either, and the Bills don't use Clay correctly.  He's a decent pass catching TE who can block.  He should be getting 10 targets a game because next to a good running game, a sure-handed TE is a young QB's best friend ... and around the league, young QBs from Dak Prescott to Patrick Mahomes prove and re-prove that every damn game.
• The running game sucks mostly because of the OL but why are the Bills relying on 2 thirty year old RBs and a waiver wire refugee who's more of a ST player than a potential replacement for the older RBs?  Teams are finding RBs not only all through the draft, but among UDFAs as well.  Denver has a nice looking kid in Lindley that they got as an UDFA.
• The QB coach of the Bills, David Culley, is a former WR coach who only coached QBs for a couple of years at a small collegiate program thirty years ago.  THIS is the guy McDermott thinks is a suitable coach for a rookie QB for whom the Bills gave up so much talent and draft capital, especially when that rookie QB is in need of so much improvement in key fundamentals like his footwork????

Plain and simple, I think that there's little hope for Josh Allen to succeed under McDermott/Beane.  He's been set up to fail by the Neanderthal offensive philosophy, the total incompetence in evaluating offensive talent, and the poor choice of position coaching personnel.  Drafting a first round QB and giving him absolutely no support in terms of protection and targets should get any NFL HC/GM fired, the sooner the better IMO.  McDermott and his henchman Beane are what they are -- incompetent -- and they aren't going to miraculously improve between now and January.

 

As the analysts pointed out last week, firing Jackson and Haley in mid-season gives the Browns an opportunity to start identifying potential candidates earlier than other teams.  The Bills should do the same, particularly since they should be looking for both a GM and HC.

 

 

McDermott said himself that culture is more important than strategy. 

 

The result is a roster that's completely devoid of talent on offense, and is charting as the worst offense in NFL history when you adjust for the era we play in.

 

These are his QBs, his Linemen, his hand picked receivers, and his tight ends. 

 

Not a single one of those positions groups is good enough. 

 

We're terrible at QB, terrible at blocking, have the worst group of receivers in the league, and have next to nothing at tight end.

 

McDermott got the guys he wanted. The guys who fit the culture he wants to build, and the results are historically terrible. 

 

And people want to give this guy more time...... UNBELIEVABLE 

[Ayjent]

 

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

McDermott said himself that culture is more important than strategy. 

 

The result is a roster that's completely devoid of talent on offense, and is charting as the worst offense in NFL history when you adjust for the era we play in.

 

These are his QBs, his Linemen, his hand picked receivers, and his tight ends. 

 

Not a single one of those positions groups is good enough. 

 

We're terrible at QB, terrible at blocking, have the worst group of receivers in the league, and have next to nothing at tight end.

 

McDermott got the guys he wanted. The guys who fit the culture he wants to build, and the results are historically terrible. 

 

And people want to give this guy more time...... UNBELIEVABLE 

I hear you loud and clear:

QBs - Allen, Peterman, Anderson, Barkley (All McD & Beane)

WRs - Benjamin, Jones, Holmes, Pryor, etc. (All McD & Beane)

TEs - Clay (holdover), Croom (McD & Beane)

RBs - McCoy (holdover), Ivory, Murphy, DiMarco (McD & Beane)

OL - Mills, Groy, & Miller (holdovers), Dawkins, Bodine, Ducasse, Teller (McD & Beane)

 

Guys that they let walk or Traded:

QBs - Taylor

WRs - Woods, Watkins, Goodwin

TEs - O'Leary

RBs - Gillislee

OL - Glenn

 

I'm not so mad about letting guys go, really, but you've got to have a good plan to replace those guys or identify guys that can do things to make your offense as effective.  Woods is the one that hurts the most - a willing blocker, a good route runner, solid hands, and leader

 

So they churned the hell out of the Offense and have have one bonafide legitimate starter for building the future (Dawkins).  They have a huge question mark at QB that they better hope to hell turns out to be awesome.  The 2nd round WR is underwhelming and may be an NFL talent, but is one that can be easily replaced by a street FA or journeyman FA.

 

Defense has been decent job, but good luck with that offense.

[SoTier]

McDermott isn't a young guy who's in his thirties like Sean McVay who acknowledged from the get-go that he needed a defensive master to help him or an open minded guy like Doug Pederson who welcomes input and ideas from assistants, players, etc.  He's not an "old dog" like Andy Reid who can and does "learn new tricks".  He's not even smart enough to realize that he should stick to what he does decently -- coaching -- and leave roster building to more knowledgeable guys like Doug Marrone.  Instead,  McDermott is an arrogant, narrow-minded relic from a by-gone era who is intent on proving his vision of winning football through defensive coupled with good "character" and lots of stupid cliches is superior to the "sissyfied" offensive football that's in style now.

 

Bad wine doesn't get better with age, and neither do bad HCs.    Giving Dick Jauron an extension did not make him one iota better, and McDermott shares the same faulty "vision" as Jauron.   Giving him more time to screw up the offense isn't going to put a significantly better product on the field, not when his fundamental philosophy is so out-of-date.   If you watched any football other than the Bills yesterday, especially the Chargers-Seahawks, Rams-Saints and/or Packers-Pats, then you know how wrong-headed and how anachronistic McDermott's philosophy is.  This isn't 1950 or even 1985 or 2000.

[Ayjent]

19 minutes ago, SoTier said:

McDermott isn't a young guy who's in his thirties like Sean McVay who acknowledged from the get-go that he needed a defensive master to help him or an open minded guy like Doug Pederson who welcomes input and ideas from assistants, players, etc.  He's not an "old dog" like Andy Reid who can and does "learn new tricks".  He's not even smart enough to realize that he should stick to what he does decently -- coaching -- and leave roster building to more knowledgeable guys like Doug Marrone.  Instead,  McDermott is an arrogant, narrow-minded relic from a by-gone era who is intent on proving his vision of winning football through defensive coupled with good "character" and lots of stupid cliches is superior to the "sissyfied" offensive football that's in style now.

 

Bad wine doesn't get better with age, and neither do bad HCs.    Giving Dick Jauron an extension did not make him one iota better, and McDermott shares the same faulty "vision" as Jauron.   Giving him more time to screw up the offense isn't going to put a significantly better product on the field, not when his fundamental philosophy is so out-of-date.   If you watched any football other than the Bills yesterday, especially the Chargers-Seahawks, Rams-Saints and/or Packers-Pats, then you know how wrong-headed and how anachronistic McDermott's philosophy is.  This isn't 1950 or even 1985 or 2000.

From K-Gun to Pop Gun - the 20 year history of the modern Bills.

 

The Bills have rarely been on the cutting edge since the best era in their NFL history, but the one time they were it was successful.  They at least tried with Marrone, although he was a relic philosophically despite more modern run/pass options.   McDermott may be a decent HC and DC if he did the bizarro McVay and brought in someone like Norv Turner or some other proven OC  (hell even some young coach willing to turn the NFL conventions on their heads with carte blanche), but I don't think Beane or the offensive staff they have has any idea how to put together a competent offense and in today's NFL that is going to get you nowhere quick.  I also think these guys are sold on themselves and don't think their vision will be anything but a success that just requires determination to see through.

 

Daboll may have had crappy hands at the table everywhere he has gone in the NFL, but you only get so many chances and you've got to show you can do something with what you've got no matter how putrid.  No signs of life here.  I would have been getting Ivory into the passing game as much as possible with McCoy and Ivory in the backfield running routes and the ball with teams guessing where it was going even if it wasn't downfield passing - you at least start getting some mismatches with LBs and force the secondary up and into more zone.  Take what you got and make it work as best you can.  I don't see anything like that happening.  It's them running their stuff and maybe mixing it up a little, but they have no identity aside from being really sad to watch.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Ayjent

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, Ayjent said:

From K-Gun to Pop Gun - the 20 year history of the modern Bills.

 

The Bills have rarely been on the cutting edge since the best era in their NFL history, but the one time they were it was successful.  They at least tried with Marrone, although he was a relic philosophically despite more modern run/pass options.   McDermott may be a decent HC and DC if he did the bizarro McVay and brought in someone like Norv Turner or some other proven OC  (hell even some young coach willing to turn the NFL conventions on their heads with carte blanche), but I don't think Beane or the offensive staff they have has any idea how to put together a competent offense and in today's NFL that is going to get you nowhere quick.  I also think these guys are sold on themselves and don't think their vision will be anything but a success that just requires determination to see through.

 

Daboll may have had crappy hands at the table everywhere he has gone in the NFL, but you only get so many chances and you've got to show you can do something with what you've got no matter how putrid.  No signs of life here.  I would have been getting Ivory into the passing game as much as possible with McCoy and Ivory in the backfield running routes and the ball with teams guessing where it was going even if it wasn't downfield passing - you at least start getting some mismatches with LBs and force the secondary up and into more zone.  Take what you got and make it work as best you can.  I don't see anything like that happening.  It's them running their stuff and maybe mixing it up a little, but they have no identity aside from being really sad to watch.

 

Totally agree.  Contrary to what the McDermott/Beane defenders keeping claiming, it's NOT the losing itself that's the problem.  It's how the Bills are losing: getting blown out because the offense cannot score and continually turns over the ball, and that's because McDermott/Beane have totally mismanaged the entire offensive situation, beginning with the 2017 draft when they wasted a fifth round pick on Nathan Peterman.  

[Phil The Thrill]

20 hours ago, mannc said:

Guess what?  Just because you say something “isn’t going to happen” doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen, or shouldn’t happen.  And either way, people are free to talk about it on a football discussion board.  

 

Guys with better records than McDermott get fired every season, sometimes during the season.   He is fielding a team that is non-competitive.  And that was not part of any plan.

 

That’s because you are going by W-L records, as though that’s the only metric as to whether a coach gets fired.  Fact of the matter is, McDermott has a ton of power around OBD.  Rumored to be more power than any other Bills coach before.  Also you have an owner in Terry Pegula who doesn’t want to go through another coaching search.  Then take into account, the McDermott and Beane likely forecasted that this slide was coming - as evidenced by their refusal to deal any 2019 picks.  Not to mention the good will he earned by ending the playoff drought last season. 

 

All of these factors make it inevitable that McDermott WILL be back in 2019 and after as well.  

 

My point is, you can demand his job all you want but it just isn’t going to happen.  

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

That’s because you are going by W-L records, as though that’s the only metric as to whether a coach gets fired.  Fact of the matter is, McDermott has a ton of power around OBD.  Rumored to be more power than any other Bills coach before.  Also you have an owner in Terry Pegula who doesn’t want to go through another coaching search.  Then take into account, the McDermott and Beane likely forecasted that this slide was coming - as evidenced by their refusal to deal any 2019 picks.  Not to mention the good will he earned by ending the playoff drought last season. 

 

All of these factors make it inevitable that McDermott WILL be back in 2019 and after as well.  

 

My point is, you can demand his job all you want but it just isn’t going to happen.  

 

Thanks for the good news, Terry.  I'm sure your assurances will cement the determination of thousands of Bills season ticket holders to renew their tix for 2019 ASAP.

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

That’s because you are going by W-L records, as though that’s the only metric as to whether a coach gets fired.  Fact of the matter is, McDermott has a ton of power around OBD.  Rumored to be more power than any other Bills coach before.  Also you have an owner in Terry Pegula who doesn’t want to go through another coaching search.  Then take into account, the McDermott and Beane likely forecasted that this slide was coming - as evidenced by their refusal to deal any 2019 picks.  Not to mention the good will he earned by ending the playoff drought last season. 

 

All of these factors make it inevitable that McDermott WILL be back in 2019 and after as well.  

 

My point is, you can demand his job all you want but it just isn’t going to happen.  

When New Era is empty the last 4 home games, we'll see.  Very simply they lay another egg vs. NYJ and I predict huge trouble.

 

Think about it......  The Jets are 8 point favorites Sunday.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

That’s because you are going by W-L records, as though that’s the only metric as to whether a coach gets fired.  Fact of the matter is, McDermott has a ton of power around OBD.  Rumored to be more power than any other Bills coach before.  Also you have an owner in Terry Pegula who doesn’t want to go through another coaching search.  Then take into account, the McDermott and Beane likely forecasted that this slide was coming - as evidenced by their refusal to deal any 2019 picks.  Not to mention the good will he earned by ending the playoff drought last season. 

 

All of these factors make it inevitable that McDermott WILL be back in 2019 and after as well.  

 

My point is, you can demand his job all you want but it just isn’t going to happen.  

No, I’m not basing it on W-L; I’m basing it on the fact that the team is getting blown out every week and has become an embarrassment.   It wasnt part of the plan to set new records for offensive futility.  And if McD has unprecedented power at OBD, then he should also have unprecedented accountability for the massive turd that the team is laying every week.

 

 And it’s worth asking, What did McDermott do to earn that “unprecedented” power?  He was a modestly successful D-coordinator who was fired by Philly in that role.  He hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt.  If the team continues to be a week-to-week horror show, he could and should find himself unemployed.  Book it.

[jrober38]

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

That’s because you are going by W-L records, as though that’s the only metric as to whether a coach gets fired.  Fact of the matter is, McDermott has a ton of power around OBD.  Rumored to be more power than any other Bills coach before.  Also you have an owner in Terry Pegula who doesn’t want to go through another coaching search.  Then take into account, the McDermott and Beane likely forecasted that this slide was coming - as evidenced by their refusal to deal any 2019 picks.  Not to mention the good will he earned by ending the playoff drought last season. 

 

All of these factors make it inevitable that McDermott WILL be back in 2019 and after as well.  

 

My point is, you can demand his job all you want but it just isn’t going to happen.  

 

Wait and see when we're playing home games to half empty stadiums in December. 

 

If the team keeps getting embarrassed, changes should be coming because at some point it will start to hit the bottom line. 

42 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

When New Era is empty the last 4 home games, we'll see.  Very simply they lay another egg vs. NYJ and I predict huge trouble.

 

Think about it......  The Jets are 8 point favorites Sunday.

 

Yeah, the Jets, Lions and Dolphins games are going to be half empty. 

 

Once it starts to hit the bottom line with fewer ticket sales, concession sales, and parking spots sold, Pegula should begin to consider changes.

 

No chance they went into this season saying, "Terry, we're going to field the worst offense in NFL history, and we'll routinely get blown out by 20 or more points. We'll struggle to score 10 points a week, and our offense will be completely unwatchable because we won't be able to move the ball."

 

I guarantee this regime thought they'd be better than last year. I think they legitimately thought Tyrod was holding them back last year, and that this group of QBs would be an upgrade over him. 

 

McDermott hates losing. There's no chance they went into this year expecting to be one of the 5 worst teams in the league. 

[DuckyBoys]

He gets 2019 and that might be tenuous.  No way we should be seeing 30pt blowouts every week. The Minnesota game seems like from years ago .  How confident is Pegula giving Beane/McDemott the keys to the Bills future for the next several years?  2019 draft/free agency is huge.  They screw it up an this team is in the mire for years to come.  Lets be honest, Allen comes back and show even a glimmer and were back on track for what the said they were going to do.  But after this years qb fiasco do you believe they can go out and fix the O line, find new talent at WR/TE, find a starting CB and continue to add depth?  We lose out 1976 Bucs style maybe Terry seriously reconsiders who's running his 3 Billion investment

[The Now Moment]

On 11/4/2018 at 10:44 PM, twoandfourteen said:

 

Stop looking back at where we've been & start looking where we're headed. 

 

Did you watch the Rams & Saints? Are you watching the Pats & Packers? 

 

The running game is complementary to the passing game. It's a secondary feature for modern NFL offenses. Now, the Rams & Saints are statistically more "balanced" towards the run, but they are still capable of throwing for 400+ and 4 TDs when called upon. 

 

 

Did I say that we should have a terrible pass game?  No, I said you still need to have a solid run game.  

[Fadingpain]

On 11/6/2018 at 9:07 AM, DuckyBoys said:

He gets 2019 and that might be tenuous.  No way we should be seeing 30pt blowouts every week. The Minnesota game seems like from years ago .  How confident is Pegula giving Beane/McDemott the keys to the Bills future for the next several years?  2019 draft/free agency is huge.  They screw it up an this team is in the mire for years to come.  Lets be honest, Allen comes back and show even a glimmer and were back on track for what the said they were going to do.  But after this years qb fiasco do you believe they can go out and fix the O line, find new talent at WR/TE, find a starting CB and continue to add depth?  We lose out 1976 Bucs style maybe Terry seriously reconsiders who's running his 3 Billion investment

I think a lot of folks around here do not follow the Sabres and hockey.

 

Pegula fired a Stanley Cup winning HC in Dan Bylsma and the "mad genius architect of the rebuild" GM Tim Murray way ahead of when anyone saw those changes coming, and they took most Sabres fans by surprise.  Those 2 guys were almost what I'd call "aggressively" fired and most considered the changes premature.

 

Pegula has very clearly shown that he absolutely will fire people if it doesn't look like things are going to work out, and he doesn't wait to do it.

 

 

[PittsforDave]

Pegula gets his advice from seasoned vets who tell it like it is.  

 

If his close circle wants people fired, they get fired. 

[T master]

On 11/4/2018 at 5:11 PM, jrober38 said:

Bills Offensive Moves with McDermott as HC.

 

- trade Sammy Watkins for 2nd round pick

- signed Vlad Ducasse,  Patrick DiMarco & Andre Holmes 

- don't pick Mahomes or Watson, trade out of the #10 spot

- trade up for Zay Jones

- draft Dion Dawkins

- sign Anquan Boldin 

- trade 3rd round pick for Kelvin Benjamin

- bench Tyrod Taylor so Nate Peterman can play

- trade Cordy Glenn and a 1st round pick to move up in the draft 

- trade Tyrod Taylor 

- sign Chris Ivory 

- trade 1st rounder and two 2nds for Josh Allen

- sign Jeremy Kerley

- trade for Cory Coleman

- cut Cory Coleman

- start Nate Peterman as QB1

- trade AJ McCarron for 5th round pick 

- sign Derek Anderson

- sign Terrell Pryor 

 

How has McDermott earned another year to try and fix the offense? 

 

This is their OL, their group of QBs, their RBs, and their WRs, and the offense is scoring 10.6 PPG. 

 

Boudin wasn't his fault he would have been a good pick up if he stayed, Ducasse/Dimarco bad signings, Not picking Mahomes or Watson bad deal, The coleman thing was a decent try i thought it might work out the AJ thing was just plain stupid given what he had on the roster at the position going into the season !!

 

The other stuff i can live with for the most part i don't see a lot of bad in those moves given what the player trades & signing's did but Bills fans are never happy with any thing the FO does so i have learned to live with it !! 

 

The O line would have been a bit better to if the loses of Wood & Incog wouldn't have happened so i can't see how you can hold those things against them they are trying to do with what they had !! 

[billsredneck1]

On 11/6/2018 at 8:07 AM, Billsfan1972 said:

When New Era is empty the last 4 home games, we'll see.  Very simply they lay another egg vs. NYJ and I predict huge trouble.

 

Think about it......  The Jets are 8 point favorites Sunday.

there's gonna have to be some kind of coaching shake up to give a look of accountability and it needs to be done.... 

 

fire castillo and promote andrew dees assistant oline coach.

 

fire robiskie  and promote chad hall.

 

fire culley and let DA and dabol  share that duty for the rest of the year.

 

some kind of change needs to happen and it may as well start now especially if we get a crap offensive output again....and that's exactly what's going to happen if they don't start making some running lanes for the backs. they also need to feature ivory.

[Fixxxer]

On 11/6/2018 at 8:51 AM, Phil The Thrill said:

 

That’s because you are going by W-L records, as though that’s the only metric as to whether a coach gets fired.  Fact of the matter is, McDermott has a ton of power around OBD.  Rumored to be more power than any other Bills coach before.  Also you have an owner in Terry Pegula who doesn’t want to go through another coaching search.  Then take into account, the McDermott and Beane likely forecasted that this slide was coming - as evidenced by their refusal to deal any 2019 picks.  Not to mention the good will he earned by ending the playoff drought last season. 

 

All of these factors make it inevitable that McDermott WILL be back in 2019 and after as well.  

 

My point is, you can demand his job all you want but it just isn’t going to happen.  

 

I agree with this, and for those worried about December games, Allen will come back after the bye and play all the remaining games, people will still be watching this team.

[Buff76ers]

On 11/4/2018 at 7:17 PM, The_Dude said:

You have to ask yourself, is McDumbass the guy you want in charge of Josh Allen’s future?

This coaching staff went 9-7 first year and spent this offseason making the D top 10 in the league, got rid of all kinds of dumb contracts to set us up for next offseason to spend on the O and you want him gone?  We got our hopefully franchise QB and a young stud LB but that’s not good enough.  We lost 3 lineman and two were not his fault.   Give these guys a break.  When we traded for KB last year we all thought it was the greatest thing and no cause he sucks that their fault? Sometimes you have to do things the hard way to set yourself up for success down the road. 

[Real McClappy]

On 11/4/2018 at 8:57 PM, Peter said:

 

It is the chicken and the egg.  Did Sammy underperform because of the QBs we had?  

 

He still would be head and shoulders better than each WR we have on the team now.  This regime managed to get rid of or make no attempt to keep some darn good receivers:

 

Sammy

 

Robert Woods

 

Marquise Goodwin.

 

This regime also made no attempt to keep our prior outstanding WR coach Sanjay Lal or our outstanding offensive line coach Aaron Kromer.

 

Instead McCoach decided to keep the absolute worst coach on the prior staff for reasons we can only guess.

Bolded has been skipped over by several fans but very important, both should have stayed.

On 11/4/2018 at 8:58 PM, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

You forgot Tolbert! Come on man!

Should be on the list. Tolbert was a joke

On 11/5/2018 at 7:57 AM, MAJBobby said:

 

Add Hired Friend Juan Castillo. 

Wanted to Hire McCoy - Fired from his OC Job

Hired Dennison - Fired

Hired Dabol - Sucks and will be fired

Has a WR coach in charge of development of Josh Allen. 

Not having a real QB coach to help develop a rookie QB is a criminal offense.

On 11/6/2018 at 6:51 AM, Phil The Thrill said:

 

That’s because you are going by W-L records, as though that’s the only metric as to whether a coach gets fired.  Fact of the matter is, McDermott has a ton of power around OBD.  Rumored to be more power than any other Bills coach before.  Also you have an owner in Terry Pegula who doesn’t want to go through another coaching search.  Then take into account, the McDermott and Beane likely forecasted that this slide was coming - as evidenced by their refusal to deal any 2019 picks.  Not to mention the good will he earned by ending the playoff drought last season. 

 

All of these factors make it inevitable that McDermott WILL be back in 2019 and after as well.  

 

My point is, you can demand his job all you want but it just isn’t going to happen.  

Bolded is a problem from ownership side. No unproven rookie HC should ever have this kind of power. I get someone proven like BB or Reid having that influence but not a damn Rookie HC. I still don't understand the ownership FO circle jerk philosophy? 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 11/4/2018 at 8:11 PM, jrober38 said:

Bills Offensive Moves with McDermott as HC.

 

- trade Sammy Watkins for 2nd round pick

- signed Vlad Ducasse,  Patrick DiMarco & Andre Holmes 

- don't pick Mahomes or Watson, trade out of the #10 spot

- trade up for Zay Jones

- draft Dion Dawkins

- sign Anquan Boldin 

- trade 3rd round pick for Kelvin Benjamin

- bench Tyrod Taylor so Nate Peterman can play

- trade Cordy Glenn and a 1st round pick to move up in the draft 

- trade Tyrod Taylor 

- sign Chris Ivory 

- trade 1st rounder and two 2nds for Josh Allen

- sign Jeremy Kerley

- trade for Cory Coleman

- cut Cory Coleman

- start Nate Peterman as QB1

- trade AJ McCarron for 5th round pick 

- sign Derek Anderson

- sign Terrell Pryor 

 

How has McDermott earned another year to try and fix the offense? 

 

This is their OL, their group of QBs, their RBs, and their WRs, and the offense is scoring 10.6 PPG. 

 

.....how or why does McBeane get a pass?.....isn't he the Big Dawg GM?.........woefully misleading............

[Peter]

10 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Bolded has been skipped over by several fans but very important, both should have stayed.

 

 

It is particularly disturbing, because I think that both Sanjay Lal and Aaron Kromer were under contract and would have been obligated to continue with the Bills had McCoach decided to keep them.

 

Instead, McCoach decided to keep Crossman (but incongruously thought it would be wise to fire his assistant, Kathryn Smith).

 

I have no idea how Crossman has survived three regimes.

Edited November 10, 2018 by Peter

[Real McClappy]

12 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

It is particularly disturbing, because I think that both Sanjay Lal and Aaron Kromer were under contract and would have been obligated to continue with the Bills had McCoach decided to keep them.

 

Instead, McCoach decided to keep Crossman (but incongruously thought it would be wise to fire his assistant, Kathryn Smith).

 

I have no idea how Crossman has survived three regimes.

Kromer might had said screw it anyways after Woods retired, Glenn traded and then Iggy retiring as idiot Beane felt the need to make the probowl lineman take a pay cut.

 

I'm happy for Kromer though. Linking up with McVay is awesome for him and has helped the line out alot, Gurley looks amazing now behing their Oline.

 

 

Edited November 10, 2018 by Real McCoy

[MAJBobby]

19 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....how or why does McBeane get a pass?.....isn't he the Big Dawg GM?.........woefully misleading............

 

He is a yes man for McD. McD was hired first. Has the power Beane was hired because of relationship with McD

[TroutDog]

On 11/4/2018 at 8:19 PM, Ol Dirty B said:

 

So they should just say nothing then? I'm not sure what you're suggesting

I believe the line of thinking is to afford them time, which they deserve in my opinion. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

He is a yes man for McD. McD was hired first. Has the power Beane was hired because of relationship with McD

 

....don't see how this "marriage" succeeds when we have the hierarchy azz backwards........McDermott may idolize Andy who is GM, HC AND Personnel Director, but he's not even close to loose dirt on Andy's cleats....good Lord.............