I realize that ppl don’t want to hear this but the plan looks like....

[jrober38]

12 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

What are we sitting on 90 million for? If Beane and McD are smart they invest heavily into the O-line come FA on proven players. College lineman, you cannot trust them as a day1 starters anymore if drafted high. Use the draft to correct the WR and TE positions. Invest a 3rd-4th rd pick on a real QB2 with high upside. 

The D is fine aside from a CB#2 right now. Mcd had 2 years to play around on the D side, it's time for Offense.   

 

Use that money to extend guys next year. 

 

Give White a new deal early and hope we can get him for way less than market value. Do the same things with Dawkins and Milano during next season.

 

Do not overpay for guys who only want to be here because we paid them a lot more than anyone else offered. That's not how you build a winning team in the NFL. 

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Well.....since we both agree that we probably wont get those things in free agency.....maybe we better draft them?

 

I think paying for some veteran offensive linemen would be a smart investment.

 

If you draft one high and bring in 2 free agents you could really help this team......

 

Sure. I won't fight it, I just don't understand why anyone who has options would want to play for the Bills unless we're grossly overpaying them relative to what everyone else is offering. 

 

I don't see anyone signing up to play for Sean McDermott and to play on an offense that scores 10 points a week. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Use that money to extend guys next year. 

 

Give White a new deal early and hope we can get him for way less than market value. Do the same things with Dawkins and Milano during next season.

 

Do not overpay for guys who only want to be here because we paid them a lot more than anyone else offered. That's not how you build a winning team in the NFL. 

Would this be a bad time to bring up the fact that is why we are going through a poo poo dead cap sandwich this year?   This is exactly what Beane is trying to AVOID and he is cleaning up someone elses mess this year.

 

Its like the perfect storm for our poor bills this year.

 

Poo Poo dead cap sandwich

AJM doesnt work out

Having to replace 3 offensive starting linemen

Not just poor choices at the vet QB position (bringing in Anderson late) but also injuries...injuries....

 

 

 

[Keukasmallies]

What good is a top 5 pick if the people doing the picking are as inept as the current Bills administration/coaching staff appears to be?  Two years ago they muffed the draft by leaving a franchise QB on the board.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

draft picks are a shot in the dark regardless of whether a top or late pick. 

 

 

this team is in a mess and not even worth watching at this point. I don't believe a draft and off season will fix this as I'm beginning to have doubts in both McD and Beane being able to right this ship.

[Real McClappy]

26 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Use that money to extend guys next year. 

 

Give White a new deal early and hope we can get him for way less than market value. Do the same things with Dawkins and Milano during next season.

 

Do not overpay for guys who only want to be here because we paid them a lot more than anyone else offered. That's not how you build a winning team in the NFL. 

This is where we disagree. I have zero issues if the Bills spent 30 mill bringing in 3 stud/proven O-line guys from FA. I don't want to have to think or worry about the O-line for many, many years. I much rather a team blow their wad on a top QB and O-line over anything else in today's game but that is just me. 

 

White, Milano and Dawkins are locked up for the next 2.5 years. I highly doubt Beane and McD are thinking chess or 3 moves ahead when they are in a win now checkers mode.   I mean, look at half our fan base and media right now. We got that monkey off our backs last year and this coaching staff is only 50% through their visioned rebuild (all in 1.5 years) but everyone must be fired? 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Real McCoy

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

17 minutes ago, no name said:

draft picks are a shot in the dark regardless of whether a top or late pick. 

 

 

this team is in a mess and not even worth watching at this point. I don't believe a draft and off season will fix this as I'm beginning to have doubts in both McD and Beane being able to right this ship.

ding ding ding 

 

Like when you hit gold on undrafted FA's 

[John from Riverside]

19 minutes ago, no name said:

draft picks are a shot in the dark regardless of whether a top or late pick. 

 

 

this team is in a mess and not even worth watching at this point. I don't believe a draft and off season will fix this as I'm beginning to have doubts in both McD and Beane being able to right this ship.

Drafting well is really the only proven way of success in the NFL.....and this has been proven over time and time again....you do NOT biuld a team off free agents....you use them IN ADDITION TO drafting well

[LABILLBACKER]

20 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

Exactly correct, and it could be a disaster if Beane panics and overpays a bunch of average guys. Draft well, make solid FA choices and don't burn up your capital in one year. It's going to take a few years to fix this mess.

I know we have close to 90M to spend but I have zero faith in their ability to sign the right FA's. Their only hope is to accidentally draft some quality offensive players.

[ndirish1978]

We need a complete overhaul of the Offense. It's not gonna get done in a single offseason. 

 

LG, C, RG, RT, RB1 (Yes Shady is done), WR1, WR2. We better REALLY go after Oline & WRs in the offseason, because this franchise is going DT/DE with the first pick. 

 

To those saying Beane can't draft, I disagree. I think he's fine in the early rounds, which is par for the course. He has had one year at the helm and picked up some good young talent. I don't like his picks in the later rounds or his return on trades, but here's hoping experience fixes that for him.

Edited November 5, 2018 by ndirish1978

[Real McClappy]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Drafting well is really the only proven way of success in the NFL.....and this has been proven over time and time again....you do NOT biuld a team off free agents....you use them IN ADDITION TO drafting well

Drafting Skill positions will no doubt. 

 

There is no harm in spending $ on proven Oline man in FA to keep all that matters upright and a running game churning.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Real McCoy

[nedboy7]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2311552-why-nfl-teams-dont-tank-for-a-better-draft-position

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Drafting Skill positions well no doubt. 

 

There is no harm in spending $ on proven Oline man in FA to keep at that matters upright and a running game churning.

No doubt this in response to the "drafting is a total crapshoot" thing.....

 

The higher you draft....the less chance of them busting

[nedboy7]

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/6/1/17415246/what-is-an-nfl-rebuild-anyway-seahawks-browns-cardinals-astros

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Except it will.  Rams did it.  Bears did it.  Now Bills will do it.

 

Both teams took rookies they traded up for (and gave up a lot more than we did).  Both had good foundations on defense and terrible personnel on offense.  Both rookies suuuccckked their rookie year.  Both teams heavily invested the following off season in offensive talent in FA and draft, especially FA.  Both offenses and teams instantly turned around.  

 

Bills have a better D than either Rams or Bears had during their QBs rookies year.  Bills are in a very good spot to make a significant turnaround in one season if they can fill out the offensive side of the ball so Allen can take a step forward.  

 

People here are nuts right now and have lost all scope of reality.  Bills can become a REAL contender very quickly if we can put the right offensive pieces around Allen...assuming Allen develops as a result, which I think he is going to be good.

You make some valid points regarding the Rams and Bears, but you fail to mention two important differences and one other major factor.

 

1.  Both teams’ offenses were far more talented than the Bills’ offense when the rookie QBs were taken.

2.  Both teams are more attractive FA destinations than Buffalo.

3.  Most importantly, both teams’ quantum leaps (may be too strong a term for what the Bears have done) were achieved after ditching their awful, defensive-minded, dinosaur Head Coaches in favor of innovative young offensive minds.  

 

Hopefully, the Pegulas will learn a lesson from that third point.

Edited November 5, 2018 by mannc

[Hebert19]

21 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I disagree but that is ok

not every position needs to be replaced to turn the offense 

I agree.  Just posted this in another thread.  And have said this a few times.  10 picks and 90 million.   Look at what rams did in year 2 of goff in draft and FA.

 

DE Connor Barwin, RB Lance Dunbar, QB Aaron Murray, CB Nickell Robey-Coleman, C John Sullivan, DT Tyrunn Walker, CB Kayvon Webster, OT Andrew Whitworth, WR Robert Woods, TE Gerald Everett (R2), WR Cooper Kupp (R3), S John Johnson (R3), WR Josh Reynolds (R4) plus Sammy Watkins.  

 

they really had not much outside Donald.  We have 3/4 of an elite D.   We need to find a new RB...but that isnt hard.  The rest is blueprint above.  Sign a WR or 2.  OL or 2 and surround Josh with a team and see what happens. 

[jrober38]

14 minutes ago, mannc said:

You make some valid points regarding the Rams and Bears, but you fail to mention two important differences and one other major factor.

 

1.  Both teams’ offenses were far more talented than the Bills’ offense when the rookie QBs were taken.

2.  Both teams are more attractive FA destinations than Buffalo.

3.  Most importantly, both teams’ quantum leaps (may be too strong a term for what the Bears have done) were achieved after ditching their awful, defensive-minded, dinosaur Head Coaches in favor of innovative young offensive minds.  

 

Hopefully, the Pegulas will learn a lesson from that third point.

 

Point 1 is completely untrue. 

 

Both QBs had nothing to work with as rookies. 

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, mannc said:

You make some valid points regarding the Rams and Bears, but you fail to mention two important differences and one other major factor.

 

1.  Both teams’ offenses were far more talented than the Bills’ offense when the rookie QBs were taken.

2.  Both teams are more attractive FA destinations than Buffalo.

3.  Most importantly, both teams’ quantum leaps (may be too strong a term for what the Bears have done) were achieved after ditching their awful, defensive-minded, dinosaur Head Coaches in favor of innovative young offensive minds.  

 

Hopefully, the Pegulas will learn a lesson from that third point.

 

Actually, that is not true.  Rams rebuilt one of the worst OL in the NFL in that first offseason after Goffs rookie year and also completely gutted the WR group and brought in Watkins, Kupp, and Woods....pluse a 3rd TE in Everett.  The only holdover was Tavon at WR but he went to 4th on depth chart and was gone this year to Dallas (where he still has done nothing, so much nothing, the Cowboys foolishly traded a first for Cooper).  The only player of any significance that was kept was Gurley, and we still have McCoy.  And yes big age difference, however Gurley was terrible his sophomore year on that talentless team too just like McCoy is this year.  I thoroughly believe McCoy can still be a very good RB in this league in a better situation than this team is in right now.

 

Bears also did the same thing...they got a new TE in Burton, and went out and completely scrapped the whole WR group and brought in FA's to rebuild it.  Both teams offenses were in shambles prior to the rebuild.  I mean Trubisky played most of last year and only threw 7 TD passes.  It was a massive overhaul in both cases.  Like the Rams and Bills, the only real hold over talent was at RB.

 

Yes, both teams have some offense minded head coaches, but thats not the end all be all to having a successful offense.  McD took a weak offense last year and found a way to get to a winning percentage and snap a 17 year drought.  Its entirely unfair to judge McD's ability as a HC to field a good offense based on this season.  The team has a major overhaul on the offensive personnel its set up for, the decisions to this point were not at all about THIS year and all about the coming years.  That path is clearly highly contingent on Allen panning out and solving the QB situation, however, at this point there is no way to know if McD will succeed or fail in this area.  

 

We will really get to see if we are in the right hands and the right path next year when we see what they do to the offense this year and how well those moves work out on the field to help Allens development.  

[mannc]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Point 1 is completely untrue. 

 

Both QBs had nothing to work with as rookies. 

Neither was very good, but “not very good” is substantially better than the offense the Bills are putting out there this year.

[TheElectricCompany]

47 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

We need a complete overhaul of the Offense. It's not gonna get done in a single offseason. 

 

LG, C, RG, RT, RB1 (Yes Shady is done), WR1, WR2. We better REALLY go after Oline & WRs in the offseason,.

 

You're going to be waiting a long time for that fix to happen. 
There will always be roster holes. The key is to have talented players at critical positions. 

To me, you need a top tier QB, an elite playmaker at WR/RB, a second "really good" playmaker WR/RB/TE, and a slightly above average line.

You can win with that. 

 

Edited November 5, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[RobbRiddick]

Wait a second... there's a plan???

 

Was it formulated by Laurel and Hardy?

Edited November 5, 2018 by RobbRiddick

[jrober38]

Just now, RobbRiddick said:

Wait a second... there's a plan???

 

 

 

I think they had a plan, but the execution has been terrible. 

 

The biggest problems so far, have been the players they've added at QB, the players they've added at WR, and their lack of interest in adding quality offensive linemen. 

 

Their ability to evaluate offensive personnel has been a disaster so far. 

[RobbRiddick]

14 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

You're going to be waiting a long time for that fix to happen. 
There will always be roster holes. The key is to have talented players at critical positions. 

To me, you need a top tier QB, an elite playmaker at WR/RB, a second "really good" playmaker WR/RB/TE, and a slightly above average line.

You can win with that. 

 

 

The only way they can do it in one off season is to somehow attract top tier FA talent here and then make some REALLY great draft picks, like they've done with the defensive side of the ball. Plus they need to trade down in the first to secure more picks, if anyone is willing to partner with them of course. Let's see:

 

FA WR

1st round WR

2 FA linemen

2nd round lineman

(if they find a trade partner) 2nd round WR

3rd round TE

4th round RB

 

I have no idea which players are FAs this season or how deep the draft is at different positions, but if they draft well and spend some money they could vastly improve this thing. The key for me is linemen. Getting a running game going and giving Allen more time to throw deep/gain confidence would be a huge upgrade. It would also help the defense massively as they'd be getting more than 10 seconds rest between drives.

 

Of course the problem with that many rookies is giving them time to develop. I'd be looking for a really strong second half of next year. If that happens and they draft well the following season they could make a push for at least the divisional round the next season. Usually I'd complain that the defense would regress in that time, but I like the way they've built the D and trust them to continue adding talent in lower rounds of the draft and with cheaper FAs that other people miss.

[TheElectricCompany]

9 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

The only way they can do it in one off season is to somehow attract top tier FA talent here and then make some REALLY great draft picks, like they've done with the defensive side of the ball. Plus they need to trade down in the first to secure more picks, if anyone is willing to partner with them of course. Let's see:

 

FA WR

1st round WR

2 FA linemen

2nd round lineman

(if they find a trade partner) 2nd round WR

3rd round TE

4th round RB

 

I have no idea which players are FAs this season or how deep the draft is at different positions, but if they draft well and spend some money they could vastly improve this thing. The key for me is linemen. Getting a running game going and giving Allen more time to throw deep/gain confidence would be a huge upgrade. It would also help the defense massively as they'd be getting more than 10 seconds rest between drives.

 

 

I'm not sold on trading down, there may not be appropriate value, either from the other team or leaving a talented prospect on the board. 

Either way, they have to nail some drafts. The odds of taking a 10.5 PPG offense and turning it around in a season are slim.

 

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Except it will.  Rams did it.  Bears did it.  Now Bills will do it.

 

Both teams took rookies they traded up for (and gave up a lot more than we did).  Both had good foundations on defense and terrible personnel on offense.  Both rookies suuuccckked their rookie year.  Both teams heavily invested the following off season in offensive talent in FA and draft, especially FA.  Both offenses and teams instantly turned around.  

 

Bills have a better D than either Rams or Bears had during their QBs rookies year.  Bills are in a very good spot to make a significant turnaround in one season if they can fill out the offensive side of the ball so Allen can take a step forward.  

 

People here are nuts right now and have lost all scope of reality.  Bills can become a REAL contender very quickly if we can put the right offensive pieces around Allen...assuming Allen develops as a result, which I think he is going to be good.

The thing is that both the Bears, Rams fired their defensive minded coaches and hired new offensive minded coaches to help develop those rookie QBs. John Fox, Jeff Fisher. Both those rookie offensive coaches hired good defensive coordinators to maintain a good defense. Vic Fangio, Wade Phillips. 

 

Chicago's defense (currently at #10) is way better then their offense right now. The Rams are #1 in yards, #3 in points on offense and top ten on defense. 

 

The point here is that this Buffalo Bills HC and offensive coaching staff are clueless and no amount of talent influx is going to turn them into the Rams offense or even allow Josh Allen to develop properly. Look how badly they screwed up this season and it didn't need to be a losing season or anywhere near this bad. Incompetence got the Bills to this point.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Nihilarian

[Dopey]

21 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Filling your team with overpaid free agents isn’t the way to build a winning football team.  

How do you know it will be overpaid free agents? Serious question, cuz it sounds like you're complaining about something that hasn't even happened. 

 

21 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Totally agree.

 

Lots of teams have cap space, and lots of top 5 picks in the NFL bust. 

 

If those are the things we're banking on, we're in trouble. 

What?!?! Sooo, banking on drafting and acquiring free agents is a no go?!?! Our top 5 pick will be a bust?!? I know you said lots(not all) of top 5 picks are busts, but what do you suggest? Where we are right now, using our draft picks and cap room for free agents sounds like the way to go. Unless you have some grand plan that you're keeping close to the vest, sounds like you're piling on. I really want ro hear your alternate plan. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

The thing is that both the Bears, Rams fired their defensive minded coaches and hired new offensive minded coaches to help develop those rookie QBs. John Fox, Jeff Fisher. Both those rookie offensive coaches hired good defensive coordinators to maintain a good defense. Vic Fangio, Wade Phillips. 

 

Chicago's defense (currently at #10) is way better then their offense right now. The Rams are #1 in yards, #3 in points on offense and top ten on defense. 

 

The point here is that this Buffalo Bills HC and offensive coaching staff are clueless and no amount of talent influx is going to turn them into the Rams offense or even allow Josh Allen to develop properly. Look how badly they screwed up this season and it didn't need to be a losing season or anywhere near this bad. Incompetence got the Bills to this point.

 

Wrong, you dont know that.  McD wasnt a HC before, so he has no prior body of work to prove or disprove that.  This offense is devoid of talent, so you cant know if he can lead a team with a good offense or not.  

 

We won't know what McD can do from the offensive side until sometime into next season where we can measure the development of Allen and see how this team improves on offense. 

 

This myth that a smart defensive coach cant lead a team with a good offense is absurd.  I mean just look at our division, BB is a defensive coach.  Heck, look at our own team, in the 2 years with Rex the Bills were the second highest scoring 2 year period ever in Bills history, with TYROD at QB...second only to the to first SB years.  I mean there are all kinds of examples of this.  

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Wrong, you dont know that.  McD wasnt a HC before, so he has no prior body of work to prove or disprove that.  This offense is devoid of talent, so you cant know if he can lead a team with a good offense or not.  

 

We won't know what McD can do from the offensive side until sometime into next season where we can measure the development of Allen and see how this team improves on offense. 

 

This myth that a smart defensive coach cant lead a team with a good offense is absurd.  I mean just look at our division, BB is a defensive coach.  Heck, look at our own team, in the 2 years with Rex the Bills were the second highest scoring 2 year period ever in Bills history, with TYROD at QB...second only to the to first SB years.  I mean there are all kinds of examples of this.  

Yes, we do know how bad this HC/GM and offensive staff are because they went into this season with this mess.

 

Would you have allowed Josh Allen to start behind this mess of an offensive line? I know I wouldn't and just judging from last season I wouldn't have gone into this year thinking that Peterman would be the starter. The receiver corps is also a joke. Most Bills fans were complaining all offseason and the current FO did very little to correctly upgrade the QB, line, WR issues. 

 

Keeping McD is just prolonging the inevitable as we look at this season on offense and its really bad and it's not going to get any better. Out of 9 games Ravens, Packers, Colts, Patriots, Bears were all blowouts. So more then half and its not going to get any better from my view. So many player personnel mistakes by this regime and I've learned over the past twenty years that things usually get worse. All the penalties that are still happening each week 10 for 163 yards...are you kidding me?

 

 

The bigger point is that what made the two teams that you mentioned so successful was that they fired the defensive minded HC and replaced them with a pair of the brightest offensive minds they could find. Usually first time, first year head coaches don't fare that well in the NFL and yet Sean McVay 11-5 after a 4-12 season by Jeff Fisher. The Bears who finished last season 5-11 under John Fox have already equaled that total at 5-3 under new HC Matt Nagy an Andy Reid disciple.

 

If I'm Terry Pegula I'd be looking at the next best and brightest offensive mind to hire as HC before this coaching staff has another season to ruin that rookie QB we both like so much. The defense will be fine with Leslie Frazier as DC so the continuity of the defense should stay the same. Shame too because I happen to like McD. I just think he has no clue with the offensive side of the ball. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Yes, we do know how bad this HC/GM and offensive staff are because they went into this season with this mess.

 

Would you have allowed Josh Allen to start behind this mess of an offensive line? I know I wouldn't and just judging from last season I wouldn't have gone into this year thinking that Peterman would be the starter. The receiver corps is also a joke. Most Bills fans were complaining all offseason and the current FO did very little to correctly upgrade the QB, line, WR issues. 

 

Keeping McD is just prolonging the inevitable as we look at this season on offense and its really bad and it's not going to get any better. Out of 9 games Ravens, Packers, Colts, Patriots, Bears were all blowouts. So more then half and its not going to get any better from my view. So many player personnel mistakes by this regime and I've learned over the past twenty years that things usually get worse. All the penalties that are still happening each week 10 for 163 yards...are you kidding me?

 

 

The bigger point is that what made the two teams that you mentioned so successful was that they fired the defensive minded HC and replaced them with a pair of the brightest offensive minds they could find. Usually first time, first year head coaches don't fare that well in the NFL and yet Sean McVay 11-5 after a 4-12 season by Jeff Fisher. The Bears who finished last season 5-11 under John Fox have already equaled that total at 5-3 under new HC Matt Nagy an Andy Reid disciple.

 

If I'm Terry Pegula I'd be looking at the next best and brightest offensive mind to hire as HC before this coaching staff has another season to ruin that rookie QB we both like so much. The defense will be fine with Leslie Frazier as DC so the continuity of the defense should stay the same. Shame too because I happen to like McD. I just think he has no clue with the offensive side of the ball. 

 

Come back to reality.  Wood and Incognito retired.  You cant rebuild all units in one draft dude.  We had a ton of dead cap space as result of the process to fix the cap, something Beane said DAY 1 was the first priority and would take two years, he got it done in less time than that.  

 

Its so easy to say the things you said, but there is no reality to it.  There wasnt this pile of good OL just sitting there we ignored.  THIS YEAR is NOT what their prior moves were about.  Sorry man, its on you if you had high hopes this year.  I am normally a positive guy, but even I knew this year was likely going to be a down year because we had just too many holes to fill while also in the last year of our cap clearout.  

 

Funny how McD was beloved here last year and during Imbedded.  But because the offense sucks due to lack of talent and hurt rookie QB, now suddenly everyone wants to pile on him.  So ridiculous.  This board is so stupidly week to week.  This is a REBUILD...it does not happen in ONE draft or from one week to the next.  We won't know how good or bad they are REALLY doing at building a contender until later into next season when we can see how Allen is developing and how what fixes they did the offense are working out.  

[Helpmenow]

OP be patient. How many years shall we wait? Been waiting since let see.

[Nihilarian]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Come back to reality.  Wood and Incognito retired.  You cant rebuild all units in one draft dude.  We had a ton of dead cap space as result of the process to fix the cap, something Beane said DAY 1 was the first priority and would take two years, he got it done in less time than that.  

 

Its so easy to say the things you said, but there is no reality to it.  There wasnt this pile of good OL just sitting there we ignored.  THIS YEAR is NOT what their prior moves were about.  Sorry man, its on you if you had high hopes this year.  I am normally a positive guy, but even I knew this year was likely going to be a down year because we had just too many holes to fill while also in the last year of our cap clearout.  

 

Funny how McD was beloved here last year and during Imbedded.  But because the offense sucks due to lack of talent and hurt rookie QB, now suddenly everyone wants to pile on him.  So ridiculous.  This board is so stupidly week to week.  This is a REBUILD...it does not happen in ONE draft or from one week to the next.  We won't know how good or bad they are REALLY doing at building a contender until later into next season when we can see how Allen is developing and how what fixes they did the offense are working out.  

You didn't answer the questions. Would you have played Josh Allen behind that line knowing how bad it is? Would you have gone into the season with Nathaniel Peterman as the starter with so little experience? 

 

I'll also ask, Would you have allowed the team to enter the season with no veteran QB on the roster to help guide the two inexperienced QBs? Would you have hired a QB coach that had never previously been a QB coach* to help develop two inexperienced QBs? It's like the blind leading the blind on offense. 

 

McD's first offensive hire was Juan Castillo the run game coordinator/ O line coach and he should have been fired last year with Dennison.  This year McD hired an OC that has been an OC with 4 different teams for 5 seasons and each time his offenses were never better then 23rd and this year it's even worse. Ever wonder why the guy didn't retain a job as OC for long? 

 

The reality of the situation is that the line could have been upgraded as soon as they found out Eric Wood was done. This happened on freaking Jan 26th is when he announced his retirement. Which is more then enough time to find an equal replacement. Draft, free agency, trade.  The problem is this FO thought everything would be fine with Ryan Groy and it wasn't.

Richie Incognito retired in April 2018 which was more then enough time to find an equal replacement and again they didn't. This FO thought everything would be fine with Vlad Ducasse and again, it wasn't!  

This is complete incompetence on the line coach, the OC, the HC, the GM as the buck stops at the top. 

 

Like I said earlier, this season didn't have to be a wash if the FO went out and replaced the OC, LG and RG properly. Found a better veteran QB to start the season. There is always a way to find money to bring in quality talent. They should have replaced the line coach with someone that knows what they are doing. Hired a better OC with a better record along with someone that has mentored rookie QBs. Same with the QB coach. 

 

Ya know what? There is still time to fix some things as this team enters the bye week and it could determine what happens at the end of the season to this regime. Fire Daboll during the bye week or simply demote him and promote the WR coach Terry Robiskie to OC. Let him see if he can fix the run game and help the QBs make some plays, get the team scoring TDs. 

 

This year was no rebuild, as that is just an excuse some fans are throwing out there to defend this regime. This coaching staff simply has no idea what they are doing on offense and I only hope to god that these owners don't retain these morons. I don't think I can take another season of Daboll, Castillo and perhaps watching that rookie QB get ruined by a bunch of incompetent morons. 

 

On another note, Peterman has a QBR of 6.5...

Edited November 6, 2018 by Nihilarian

[26TrapDraw]

On 11/4/2018 at 3:54 PM, CaptnCoke11 said:

Filling your team with overpaid free agents isn’t the way to build a winning football team.  

The LA Rams say hi.

[MJS]

On 11/4/2018 at 4:51 PM, CaptnCoke11 said:

90 million and a top 5 pick isnt going to turn around this team anytime soon. 

 

That's not true. It could turn the team around very quickly.

6 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said:

The LA Rams say hi.

 

Exactly.

[twoandfourteen]

On 11/4/2018 at 7:01 PM, John from Riverside said:

I don’t think it is going to take a few years but I agree with the rest

 

They need to do for josh Allen what they did for trbisky and the offense will improve drasically

I didn’t start out that way I just realized it as time went on

 

i was pretty noncommittal on how well this team would do this year from the start

 

Yes, exactly! The Bills need to fire their current terrible, backwards "establish the line of scrimmage" coach and hire a smart, innovative coach to ignite the offense. 

 

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I did not say that the OL is the only problem.....WHERE DID I SAY THAT

Our WR's are aweful....there is not one even close to legit number 1 on the team....Zay is a 3 at best....KB shouldnt even be here.....Pryor just came in MAYBE he is a 2

Our RBs are fine.....this points to the OL

 

The WHOLE thing does not need to be overhauled extreme weaknesses at some positions are hurting other positions.

 

If our OL was made a strength.....and we had a legit number 1 WR and a good TE....this team would look way different

 

So if we add maybe 3 OL, likely a TE and 1-2 WR we are good, unless shady is actually old or Allen is mediocre... then it’s like the whole thing. 

[#34fan]

9 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

The O-line FA's are solid and ample. We can rebuild our entire O-line alone in FA..

 

Thanks, but no... The only thing I want more than young, talented, O-linemen is someone capable to coach them.

 

 

[TFBillsfan]

Assuming we end  up in the draft range of 3-5, I’d prefer we trade down. Get a plug and play OT and a reliable TE or WR that can be your go to for Allen with your two picks in the first round.  2nd round I add a WR or TE depending on what you did with your second pick in the first round. Third round draft a center. Address OG in FA. Add another WR thru FA. Address CB in FA as well. Draft a RB in the fourth round. Shoring up the OL would be a great foundation for JA and the running game. Adding a WR and TE in the draft along with another FA WR could instantly change the offense assuming you add three new pieces to the OL. I’d keep Clay and Croom as TE’s along with Zay. DiMarco, Benjamin, Ducasse, Logan and Mills can all go. In addition Crossman and Castillo need to be shown the door.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 11/4/2018 at 6:51 PM, CaptnCoke11 said:

90 million and a top 5 pick isnt going to turn around this team anytime soon. 

 

90 mil is like half an NFL roster. I expect 8-12 new starters coming next season 

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, TFBillsfan said:

Assuming we end  up in the draft range of 3-5, I’d prefer we trade down. Get a plug and play OT and a reliable TE or WR that can be your go to for Allen with your two picks in the first round.  2nd round I add a WR or TE depending on what you did with your second pick in the first round. Third round draft a center. Address OG in FA. Add another WR thru FA. Address CB in FA as well. Draft a RB in the fourth round. Shoring up the OL would be a great foundation for JA and the running game. Adding a WR and TE in the draft along with another FA WR could instantly change the offense assuming you add three new pieces to the OL. I’d keep Clay and Croom as TE’s along with Zay. DiMarco, Benjamin, Ducasse, Logan and Mills can all go. In addition Crossman and Castillo need to be shown the door.

I agree. put everything into the offensive side of the ball as the current defense would be so much better with even a half way decent offense that could score 20 pts a game. that could run the ball to make first downs, control the clock and keep the defense off the field.

 

Doubt that will happen though with McD as the HC.

[billsfan714]

The thing thats amazing about McD and this offense is we cant run the ball or pass the ball.    Please list the guys ahead of McCoys zero TDs.    Please explain to me anyone that is being coached up.     Half a season and we cant get Shady in the EZ once?    That's pitiful.   Its coaching malpractice.  

Edited November 6, 2018 by billsfan714

[Ol Dirty B]

On 11/4/2018 at 7:06 PM, longtimebillsfan said:

You expressed my feelings exactly.  The over reactions each week I find very comical.  The season is hard to take, but we have to keep our eyes on the future.

 

You've got Stockholm syndrome my friend.

 

You don't ship out all those pieces last year, accumulate picks then decide because you won a few games you'll give up a third for Benjamin. You don't draft a QB surround him with nothing, ship out a good tackle because you drafted a decent tackle. You don't take after you get the QB and MLB.

 

It's not a tank. That's a very convenient excuse for what this is. This is ineptitude.