dayman Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-trade-market-29-candidates-to-be-moved-before-deadline-now-that-amari-cooper-is-off-the-board/ ^Link to various guys that are available^ Emmanuel Sanders is a very good player. Would lovely to get him somehow. No idea what he would cost. RGIII plays QB and shouldn't be terribly expensive. Would also be nice to make a run at Foles but Eagles probably still want a lot for him. Cedric Ogbuehi plays tackle, I would like a tackle. Shouldn't be insane expensive. Patrick Peterson at CB also quite dreamy. On our end, count me among those that say we should move Shady and Kelvin. Kelvin is worth whatever we can get, and Shady is a good player but the timing just isn't there w/ his age and our need to rebuild. I would also try to move Shaq as part of a package if possible. Would be lovely if we could somehow move Shady and 2nd for Foles or maybe Shady for RGIII straight up. I would take a 5 for Kelvin (assuming we could remotely get that) and give a very high pick for Peterson. Lots of nonsense. I'm sure nothing good will come of this but we have made moves (even if just a fire sale). This is the one area where you do miss Doug Whaley b/c he was good at scraping the bottom of the barrel for guys at the trade deadline. Edited October 23, 2018 by dayman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 If we can get Patrick Peterson that would be amazing. But not for our 1st round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 This infatuation with Foles is not healthy. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 There are so many WRs that could help us via trade. Several very realistic, very affordable ideas and possibilities. We will do none of them. We will do nothing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I hate to disappoint but there’s like a 95% chance they have zero interest in trading for talent. This year is the youth movement. Let the kids and aging vets play it out and see who wins a job for next year. I could see Benjamin being traded since his deal expires and we all know they don’t want him back. Unless shady is asking to be traded he ain’t going nowhere. Neither is Hughes or clay. This is just my opinion but other than KB all those guys are building blocks for next year. Their contracts don’t hurt the team next year and it’s easy to unload them during or after next year. This is a lost season, think of it as extended preseason. Do Zay, mcloud, croom or Murphy improve? Are they worth keeping next year? Miller and Dawkins, groy or bodine? They are coaching these newer or younger guys up and seeing what they have for the future with them. When the seasons over they will know exactly what they are targeting in free agency and the draft. They aren’t building this team with draft pick trades. I know I know last year they traded non stop. But that was tearing down not building. Once the playoffs looked like a reality they got KB. They are wanting to build a core of rookie contracts who will be here a long time. Most of the players mentioned by the OP are just temporary stop gap guys not building blocks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) Why would they be looking to ACQUIRE players before the deadline? They should give up draft picks to improve their record so they get worse draft picks? Maybe McD thinks with the weather about to turn nasty their 70’s ground and pound style is going to see them go on a playoff run? Edited October 23, 2018 by Aussie Joe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Can we trade the Bills for the Clippers before the DEADline? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 We will be sellers at the deadline if anything. The teams who are going to get those guys are looking to win now, we aren't. That would be like the Baltimore O's trying to get a big name guy at the deadline, it doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I’d generally say we will be sellers if anything. But if there’s a chance for us to pick up a player that either has one more year in their contract (like Benjamin last year) or a player that is just so incredibly good that we can get for cheap, or that we plan on signing to big money in the offseason (like Peterson) and eliminate another need we have in the draft or free agency in the spring. If this his coaching staff is going to get their 3rd year no matter what happens, I want them to stock up on as much talent as they can possibly get. Make a legitimate run at becoming good by signing multiple FA studs, drafting the OL early, drafting WR early. Etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 You think Peterson is going to go from the Cardinals to the Bills? lmaooo. Watch a team like the Chiefs get him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Shady for RG3 straight up? How strong are you making the drinks tonight dayman? Also a 5 for KB when we sent a 3 out for him last year would not be cool with me, especially since the Raiders just got a 1st for Amari today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, dayman said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-trade-market-29-candidates-to-be-moved-before-deadline-now-that-amari-cooper-is-off-the-board/ ^Link to various guys that are available^ Emmanuel Sanders is a very good player. Would lovely to get him somehow. No idea what he would cost. RGIII plays QB and shouldn't be terribly expensive. Would also be nice to make a run at Foles but Eagles probably still want a lot for him. Cedric Ogbuehi plays tackle, I would like a tackle. Shouldn't be insane expensive. Patrick Peterson at CB also quite dreamy. On our end, count me among those that say we should move Shady and Kelvin. Kelvin is worth whatever we can get, and Shady is a good player but the timing just isn't there w/ his age and our need to rebuild. I would also try to move Shaq as part of a package if possible. Would be lovely if we could somehow move Shady and 2nd for Foles or maybe Shady for RGIII straight up. I would take a 5 for Kelvin (assuming we could remotely get that) and give a very high pick for Peterson. Lots of nonsense. I'm sure nothing good will come of this but we have made moves (even if just a fire sale). This is the one area where you do miss Doug Whaley b/c he was good at scraping the bottom of the barrel for guys at the trade deadline. I wouldn't give up our picks for these players. It's time to draft and develop our own like all the big boy clubs do imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Shady AND a 2nd for Foles?? Good grief...give them a potential HOF'er AND a 2nd rd pick for a backup QB. Glad you aren't GM lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane21 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 No one we could bring in at this point in time will turn the season around. my guess we move McCoy and pluck a rb off someone’s ps likewise move Benjamin if anyone wants him and sign Butler or someone from a ps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, CDogg20 said: Shady for RG3 straight up? How strong are you making the drinks tonight dayman? Also a 5 for KB when we sent a 3 out for him last year would not be cool with me, especially since the Raiders just got a 1st for Amari today. Just because the Bills overpaid for a crappy WR doesn't mean that other teams' coaches and FOs are so stupid as to chase after Carolina rejects. 6 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I wouldn't give up our picks for these players. It's time to draft and develop our own like all the big boy clubs do imo. "All the big boy clubs" have competent talent evaluation, which is why they're "big boy clubs". The Bills haven't had that since John Butler and AJ Smith departed for the West Coast back in 2000, and McDermott and Beane are almost as bad talent evaluators, especially on offense, as Dick Jauron. Edited October 23, 2018 by SoTier 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, SoTier said: Just because the Bills overpaid for a crappy WR doesn't mean that other teams' coaches and FOs are so stupid as to chase after Carolina rejects. "All the big boy clubs" have competent talent evaluation, which is why they're "big boy clubs". The Bills haven't had that since John Butler and AJ Smith departed for the West Coast back in 2000, and McDermott and Beane are almost as bad talent evaluators, especially on offense, as Dick Jauron. Too early IMO. I will give them this draft and the off season...then I'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Who is going to trade anything of value for a running back in his 30's whose production is decreasing, is currently injured and who has off the field issues that could result in a major suspension? Who would trade for a WR who drops as many balls as he catches, has no speed and whose most noteworthy achievement in the last two years was to publicly criticize his QB? Oh and lets add in that he will be available for nothing next year as his contract is up and we sure as hell aren't keeping him. He is not worth even a 7th round pick. Escapism I get but I need my fantasies to have at least a shred of plausibility. Red Dead Redemption II ships this Friday, thank god. I'll be shooting coyotes, playing poker in saloons and riding the range by this time next week. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 why would anyone want Foles. Not sure what the infatuation is with him. He was terrible when he started this year which is the norm throughout his career. He went on a lucky run last year and is no more than a backup. Even if they trade for him then theyd need to resign him. Why would you trade a lot to get a backup and then resign him for big bucks to be your backup. MAkes no sense to me. You just traded up in the first to get Allen hes your starter until you deem him not good and want to go a different way. Gettign FOles makes no sense at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I hate to disappoint but there’s like a 95% chance they have zero interest in trading for talent. This year is the youth movement. Let the kids and aging vets play it out and see who wins a job for next year. I could see Benjamin being traded since his deal expires and we all know they don’t want him back. Unless shady is asking to be traded he ain’t going nowhere. Neither is Hughes or clay. This is just my opinion but other than KB all those guys are building blocks for next year. Their contracts don’t hurt the team next year and it’s easy to unload them during or after next year. This is a lost season, think of it as extended preseason. Do Zay, mcloud, croom or Murphy improve? Are they worth keeping next year? Miller and Dawkins, groy or bodine? They are coaching these newer or younger guys up and seeing what they have for the future with them. When the seasons over they will know exactly what they are targeting in free agency and the draft. They aren’t building this team with draft pick trades. I know I know last year they traded non stop. But that was tearing down not building. Once the playoffs looked like a reality they got KB. They are wanting to build a core of rookie contracts who will be here a long time. Most of the players mentioned by the OP are just temporary stop gap guys not building blocks. According to many here the world has already ended in terms of building the Bills into anything. There is not going to be a next year. The team will cease to exist as though it were sucked into a blackhole. The ridicule by the sports media will be enough to blow the team off the Earth to start its journey towards said blackhole. Hobo's off the street will not even consider playing for a bottle of wine. All is lost. I know that this is true because the experts here said so! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I'd ship KB and a 4th to Cincy for Tyler Boyd and a 6th. I'd offer a 6th to Denver for DT that could turn into a 5th based on performance. I'd offer Shady to Minnesota for Mike Remmers and potentially supplement with a late round pick, if necessary. I'd offer Shaq to Detroit for Ameer Abdullah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said: We will be sellers at the deadline if anything. The teams who are going to get those guys are looking to win now, we aren't. That would be like the Baltimore O's trying to get a big name guy at the deadline, it doesn't make sense. The fantasy football effect to team building has clouded minds from seeing reality. The Bills will indeed be sellers, particularly as they continue their slide to the NFL's basement. Contenders and teams with a shot at the playoffs make moves. Anyone else wants a jump start on next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'd ship KB and a 4th to Cincy for Tyler Boyd and a 6th. I'd offer a 6th to Denver for DT that could turn into a 5th based on performance. I'd offer Shady to Minnesota for Mike Remmers and potentially supplement with a late round pick, if necessary. I'd offer Shaq to Detroit for Ameer Abdullah. Why would Cincy do that trade? They're in a division race. Why trade picks for a future free agent? Why trade for Abdullah? We have ivory and murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I'd just ride this mess out and listen to offers. With what we have at the QB position this isn't a year we can contend anyway. i'm not shopping anyone, but i'm listening to offers. I'd move Benjamin if I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, dneveu said: Why would Cincy do that trade? They're in a division race. Why trade picks for a future free agent? Why trade for Abdullah? We have ivory and murphy For Cincy it gives John Ross an opportunity for an expanded role as a worst case, and you're banking on a minimal drop off from Boyd to Benji while upgrading your draft stock. The Abdullah/Shaq offer is just putting both players into situations where they have a chance at an expanded role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: For Cincy it gives John Ross an opportunity for an expanded role as a worst case, and you're banking on a minimal drop off from Boyd to Benji while upgrading your draft stock. The Abdullah/Shaq offer is just putting both players into situations where they have a chance at an expanded role. Ross has 7 career catches in 2 years, and Boyds their 2nd leading receiver and even more important with Eifert out. Boyd's also under contract in 2019for a cap hit at 1.3 million. Benjamin would cost them more than boyd costs over 2 seasons, and is a worse player at this point. So i have to use cap space in 2018 for benjamin, and then get nothing in 2019. This would barely make sense if benjamin was actually good - which he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said: That would be like the Baltimore O's trying to get a big name guy at the deadline, it doesn't make sense. Great, though, for jersey and hat sales at the O's fan store..,? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, dneveu said: Ross has 7 career catches in 2 years, and Boyds their 2nd leading receiver and even more important with Eifert out. Boyd's also under contract in 2019for a cap hit at 1.3 million. Benjamin would cost them more than boyd costs over 2 seasons, and is a worse player at this point. So i have to use cap space in 2018 for benjamin, and then get nothing in 2019. This would barely make sense if benjamin was actually good - which he is not. It would essentially be paying cap to upgrade their draft pick, which is not nothing. I'm not sure if you're ignorant to the situation or just underselling Ross, but Ross has played 176 snaps over the past 2 years and has gotten targeted on 11.4% of those snaps. He's had 7 catches, 2 TDs, and 2 Runs on those snaps. Boyd played 685 snaps in that timeframe and was targeted on 13% of his snaps. He's had 62 catches, 6 TDs, and 1 run on those snaps. Ross could certainly step into a more expanded role. And, as you pointed out, Eifert is out. KB gives you that big target in the red zone that Eifert had in the past. I don't think Benjamin is bad. I also don't think he's a #1. But in a role where he has AJ Green opposite him and John Ross coming out of the slot (plus a change of scenery) I think he would do quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: It would essentially be paying cap to upgrade their draft pick, which is not nothing. I'm not sure if you're ignorant to the situation or just underselling Ross, but Ross has played 176 snaps over the past 2 years and has gotten targeted on 11.4% of those snaps. He's had 7 catches, 2 TDs, and 2 Runs on those snaps. Boyd played 685 snaps in that timeframe and was targeted on 13% of his snaps. He's had 62 catches, 6 TDs, and 1 run on those snaps. Ross could certainly step into a more expanded role. And, as you pointed out, Eifert is out. KB gives you that big target in the red zone that Eifert had in the past. I don't think Benjamin is bad. I also don't think he's a #1. But in a role where he has AJ Green opposite him and John Ross coming out of the slot (plus a change of scenery) I think he would do quite well. I just think the price is higher than swapping a 4th and a 6th. Especially if its going to cost a decent chunk of cap space (5 mil plus the dead money from boyd's deal). Plus why dump cheap players? If Ross deserved to play he'd be on the field, and boyd would be cheap depth. Edited October 23, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, dneveu said: I just think the price is higher than swapping a 4th and a 6th. Especially if its going to cost a decent chunk of cap space (5 mil plus the dead money from boyd's deal). Plus why dump cheap players? If Ross deserved to play he'd be on the field, and boyd would be cheap depth. ?♂️ It's an offer I'd throw out there. If Cincy wanted to counter, or laugh, then that's their prerogative. Maybe they want Shady with their RBs banged up. Maybe they want Clay or Croom with Eifert out. There are counter offers to be considered. Cincy has let go of good but not great WRs in the past, so I'm thinking they may again. Especially with another young guy in the fold. At the end of the day this is a topic with escapism in the title. Just let me escape for a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 hours ago, SoTier said: Just because the Bills overpaid for a crappy WR doesn't mean that other teams' coaches and FOs are so stupid as to chase after Carolina rejects. "All the big boy clubs" have competent talent evaluation, which is why they're "big boy clubs". The Bills haven't had that since John Butler and AJ Smith departed for the West Coast back in 2000, and McDermott and Beane are almost as bad talent evaluators, especially on offense, as Dick Jauron. The statement about being bad talent evaluators is just ridiculous, first off Sean McDermott is a HC not a talent evaluator and Beane has only done this for not even a full year so there is absolutely no way at this point to say he is or isn't good at his job. Harrison Phillips, Trumaine Edmunds, Dion Dawkins, Josh Allen look to be a solid foundation for the future and Zay Jones looks to finally be coming along slowly, the jury is put on OG Teller also so to say these guys can't identify talent on both sides of the ball doesn't really make much sense to me but again these are just my opinions and i get where you're coming from also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: The statement about being bad talent evaluators is just ridiculous, first off Sean McDermott is a HC not a talent evaluator and Beane has only done this for not even a full year so there is absolutely no way at this point to say he is or isn't good at his job. Harrison Phillips, Trumaine Edmunds, Dion Dawkins, Josh Allen look to be a solid foundation for the future and Zay Jones looks to finally be coming along slowly, the jury is put on OG Teller also so to say these guys can't identify talent on both sides of the ball doesn't really make much sense to me but again these are just my opinions and i get where you're coming from also. The lack of talent on Bills, particularly on offense, and the successes of the numerous ex-Bills that McDermott and Beane didn't think were good enough says that I'm right and you're a blind homer, but keep "Billieving". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 15 hours ago, dayman said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-trade-market-29-candidates-to-be-moved-before-deadline-now-that-amari-cooper-is-off-the-board/ ^Link to various guys that are available^ Emmanuel Sanders is a very good player. Would lovely to get him somehow. No idea what he would cost. RGIII plays QB and shouldn't be terribly expensive. Would also be nice to make a run at Foles but Eagles probably still want a lot for him. Cedric Ogbuehi plays tackle, I would like a tackle. Shouldn't be insane expensive. Patrick Peterson at CB also quite dreamy. On our end, count me among those that say we should move Shady and Kelvin. Kelvin is worth whatever we can get, and Shady is a good player but the timing just isn't there w/ his age and our need to rebuild. I would also try to move Shaq as part of a package if possible. Would be lovely if we could somehow move Shady and 2nd for Foles or maybe Shady for RGIII straight up. I would take a 5 for Kelvin (assuming we could remotely get that) and give a very high pick for Peterson. Lots of nonsense. I'm sure nothing good will come of this but we have made moves (even if just a fire sale). This is the one area where you do miss Doug Whaley b/c he was good at scraping the bottom of the barrel for guys at the trade deadline. I wonder if the Pats go after Sanders? They didnsign him to that RFA contract that Pitt matched. Hmm think Dorset or Paterson be cut if they did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 trade Benjamin and Clay. if you trade KB, I want a 3rd. If you throw in Clay, I'd take a 5th for both just to clear Clay's salary and free it up for FA next year. Or perhaps Arizona would take both for Peterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Chris Hogan. The greatest corner back this team never had. @BringBackFergy agrees. 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: trade Benjamin and Clay. if you trade KB, I want a 3rd. If you throw in Clay, I'd take a 5th for both just to clear Clay's salary and free it up for FA next year. Or perhaps Arizona would take both for Peterson Clay has a no trade clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: trade Benjamin and Clay. if you trade KB, I want a 3rd. If you throw in Clay, I'd take a 5th for both just to clear Clay's salary and free it up for FA next year. Or perhaps Arizona would take both for Peterson A third for KB.. that would be cool.. And to think the Dolphins could only get a 4th and 7th for Landry.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Serious question....would anyone be really surprised if this coaching staff just sits by and does nothing.......cause they completely ignored the position to date...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Just now, JPP said: Serious question....would anyone be really surprised if this coaching staff just sits by and does nothing.......cause they completely ignored the position to date...... Why would they try to get a player though? The season is over.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Why would they try to get a player though? The season is over.. Well yes you and I and most others know to put a fork into this season but......well you know the process and crap.....maybe try to get at least someone who can run full routes (that was stab at fatty Benjamin) and catch the ball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 We should be sellers not buyers. If Trading Cooper cost a 1st round pick Peterson will cost 2 first round picks. And Eli Apple for a 4th???? This is a sellers market. Be smart McBean, sell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) The only thing the Bills should be adding is mid round draft picks. McCoy, Benjamin, Clay, get them all out of here and give me the picks/ cap room. Edited October 23, 2018 by Mark92 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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