Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 56 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Fire Beane!! Trade Beane?...to Oakland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 40 minutes ago, GG said: That's like 3 breaking points. lol....a compound breaking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Moulds_80 said: Interested to know how many they have stock piled. At work or id dig for the answer Yeah, but Gruden will draft 2 Division III 'trick shot' QBs, a popcorn vendor, and a guy who sanitizes the draught beer taps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: If Carr isn't the long term answer, it's because Gruden sucks, not Carr. He had a decent enough tenure with Del Rio, Carr wasn't the problem with the Raiders. Now Gruden is dismantling what was a good team a few years ago. A lot believe that team overachieved and Carr isn't nearly as good as people thought he was. Let's remember, he only had the one good season. He has been average to below average since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 40 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said: Did Gruden just win a trade? He did. It will take 3 more to equal the Mack attack blunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Amari Cooper was drafted number 4 just a few years ago. He's proven he can play in this league. Do you really think the Cowboys are going to find a better prospect in the middle of the first? They might, but it's unlikely. He's currently rated the 65th best WR in the league by PFF and that's better than he was last year. To put that in perspective, Kelvin Benjamin is only 12 spots behind him. His grade of a 64.8 is currently below 16 first round picks (and presumably a bunch more picks that came outside of the 1st round). It's an upgrade for Dallas for sure, but yes, I think teams fully expect that they can draft better players than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Of course the Bills have no interest...they are gonna find 3 receivers, a TE and 3 OL all in the draft/FA next year even though the FA class at WR is near non existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Pretty Obvious why Dallas did this 1. Cowboys where taking receiver very high in 2019 and didn’t value Harris or Brown as much as Cooper age isn’t an issue since Cooper is 24 2.Cowboys like the Bills are in great shape cap wise and can fillin holes like getting Earl Thomas on the cheap now for their huge hole at free safety 3. Before they give 20 million to Dak Prescott they are making sure he had no excuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, DCOrange said: He's currently rated the 65th best WR in the league by PFF and that's better than he was last year. To put that in perspective, Kelvin Benjamin is only 12 spots behind him. His grade of a 64.8 is currently below 16 first round picks (and presumably a bunch more picks that came outside of the 1st round). It's an upgrade for Dallas for sure, but yes, I think teams fully expect that they can draft better players than him. I think he's better than he's played, but that's an opinion and not a fact. I trust PFF's judgement. The point I'm making is that teams can expect whatever they like, but there are like 3 number 1 receivers without question marks. I wouldn't be upset with Cooper had the Bills drafted him at 15. Cooper is immensely talented, and just 24 years old. It wasn't an awful move by the Cowboys. This is not a Doug Jolley situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I would have loved Amari Cooper, but there’s no way in the world I trade the Bills 1st rounder this year. I dont see how how anyone can actually be mad at Beane for not doing this... The only way I am trading the Bills 1st round pick this year is if it’s to trade down to pick up an extra 1st +. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: He did. It will take 3 more to equal the Mack attack blunder I honestly don't think he necessarily lost that trade either. Two first round picks, a 3rd round pick, a 6th round pick, and roughly $24 million in cap space is a lot to get back for one player, especially one that isn't a quarterback. This draft class is loaded with pass rushers if Oakland elects to go that route too. I think people have overreacted to that trade big time personally. Obviously it's a pretty big loss in the short-term, but I think the Raiders have shown that they weren't going anywhere this season anyways and if they play their cards right with all the assets they got in return, they should be able to retool pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'm really not sure what you're talking about. Since Carr's injury he has been visibly worse. Following Brees' injury he put up back to back 4,400 yard seasons (something Carr has never done, even pre-injury) when Brees hurt his shoulder people were saying he was done, that is what was said, it's not what happened, but it is the reason Miami passed on him. That's what I am talking about. And in context, you seem to be implying Carr is having a lingering injury that is affecting his play. Well the lack of weapons and oline is not helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 26 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Hey, it worked in Cambodia... Define worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 33 minutes ago, joesixpack said: A FIRST ROUNDER? Set down the pipe and walk away. Well if you see the other post said no first rounder I posted. You put the pipe down and look and read lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Yeah, but Gruden will draft 2 Division III 'trick shot' QBs, a popcorn vendor, and a guy who sanitizes the draught beer taps. He will draft whoever can execute Spider 2 Y Banana most effectively. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eanyills Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 38 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: if they really do trade Carr, Gruden should be fired. Why? With QB being the one position more than any other that directly contributes to a coach’s success (or eventual firing), no coach is taking on a guy they don’t think they can win with. Coaches with leverage at hiring never keep a QB if it’s not their guy/a guy they believe they can work with. It would almost certainly be a question during the hiring process so ownership should have known. Same here, if McBeane flames out, expect the new coaching staff to immediately move on from Allen. That’s just how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: A lot believe that team overachieved and Carr isn't nearly as good as people thought he was. Let's remember, he only had the one good season. He has been average to below average since then. just like us they didn't stay the course with Del Rio and they have the revolving door at HC. Not fixing the defense and not giving your QB weapons on offense isn't a recipe for success. The Rams just keep acquiring weapons, and it shows on offense, they are unstoppable. But they also invested in their Oline and their defense. Whitworth, Suh, Donald, Kupp, Brandon Cooks. That team is stacked with talent. Just now, eanyills said: Why? With QB being the one position more than any other that directly contributes to a coach’s success (or eventual firing), no coach is taking on a guy they don’t think they can win with. Coaches with leverage at hiring never keep a QB if it’s not their guy/a guy they believe they can work with. It would almost certainly be a question during the hiring process so ownership should have known. Same here, if McBeane flames out, expect the new coaching staff to immediately move on from Allen. That’s just how it goes. Did Dan Quinn move on from Matt Ryan when he took over in Atlanta? That's not how if goes when you have a QB who has shown he can play in the NFL you rarely if ever let him go. Unless you're the vikings and think that Cousins is going to get you over the top, and then take a step backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Hate this. Bill's should of made a move for this. You first need quarterback. Then worry about receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Real McClappy Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: I honestly don't think he necessarily lost that trade either. Two first round picks, a 3rd round pick, a 6th round pick, and roughly $24 million in cap space is a lot to get back for one player, especially one that isn't a quarterback. This draft class is loaded with pass rushers if Oakland elects to go that route too. I think people have overreacted to that trade big time personally. Obviously it's a pretty big loss in the short-term, but I think the Raiders have shown that they weren't going anywhere this season anyways and if they play their cards right with all the assets they got in return, they should be able to retool pretty quickly. They did get a lot of value for Mack in return. Will any of that equal another Mack? Time will tell. This whole Raiders rebuild is just odd to me right now with the news of Carr being on the block. Looks like he is going to draft his entire team in next years draft and FA. I'm not sure if this is brilliant or narcissism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Savage as Fu## There is no way they can keep Carr at this point. That team has to be in shambles... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eanyills Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: just like us they didn't stay the course with Del Rio and they have the revolving door at HC. Not fixing the defense and not giving your QB weapons on offense isn't a recipe for success. The Rams just keep acquiring weapons, and it shows on offense, they are unstoppable. But they also invested in their Oline and their defense. Whitworth, Suh, Donald, Kupp, Brandon Cooks. That team is stacked with talent. Did Dan Quinn move on from Matt Ryan when he took over in Atlanta? That's not how if goes when you have a QB who has shown he can play in the NFL you rarely if ever let him go. Unless you're the vikings and think that Cousins is going to get you over the top, and then take a step backwards. If in his hiring interview Dan Quinn says, “I can’t win with Matt Ryan. I need to bring in my own guy,” and ownership really wants Quinn, then yes, Atlanta probably gets a new QB. Also, Derek Carr is not Matt Ryan. Totally different pedigrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Cooper is not worth a first rounder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Savage as Fu## There is no way they can keep Carr at this point. That team has to be in shambles... I remember when the Bills were going to trade Watkins and they got all the captains together and TT and talked to them first. At least they were pretty professional about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: They did get a lot of value for Mack in return. Will any of that equal another Mack? Time will tell. This whole Raiders rebuild is just odd to me right now with the news of Carr being on the block. Looks like he is going to draft his entire team in next years draft and FA. I'm not sure if this is brilliant or narcissism? To be fair, his contract is fully-guaranteed for 10 years if I remember right. Oakland really can't afford to get rid of Gruden for quite awhile, so he should have a long enough leash to tear this team down (and maybe even tear it down a second time) lol. Raiders probably played themselves by giving him that much power, but that's where we are now. They absolutely have to nail these picks/the signings they make with the money that they saved on Mack to not come away looking like fools though, and that's not an easy task. Edited October 22, 2018 by DCOrange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, eanyills said: If in his hiring interview Dan Quinn says, “I can’t win with Matt Ryan. I need to bring in my own guy,” and ownership really wants Quinn, then yes, Atlanta probably gets a new QB. Also, Derek Carr is not Matt Ryan. Totally different pedigrees. In the same conversation if Gruden says "I can't win with Carr" why on god green earth do you wait until week 7 of the regular season to shop him? Or Amari Cooper for that matter. You make those changes in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Good thing owners aren’t subjected to drug testing. Time for Jerry to hand over the keys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 A first and I think he’s an FA after this year. Possible after next. That’s a huge price to pay for a guy who’s been disappointing the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: when Brees hurt his shoulder people were saying he was done, that is what was said, it's not what happened, but it is the reason Miami passed on him. That's what I am talking about. And in context, you seem to be implying Carr is having a lingering injury that is affecting his play. Well the lack of weapons and oline is not helping. I wasn't saying Carr would be worse before he came back. I have a season and a half of actual games since the injury that say he isn't the same guy thus far. It really isn't remotely the same as what people said about Brees, or even Manning pre-Broncos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I remember when the Bills were going to trade Watkins and they got all the captains together and TT and talked to them first. At least they were pretty professional about it. That entire team will have to be turned over, Gruden has zero respect from anyone in that locker room and no one will trust him. I will give McD credit, he holds himself accountable and meets with the players - just as you said. That I think goes a long way in having players go the extra mile. Edit: as a NY Rangers fan, I love that they sent a letter out to the season ticket holders and held a presser saying they were selling last year. It's a good way to do business IMO. Edited October 22, 2018 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Cooper is not going to help the Dallas offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Wonder if Dallas is still interested in KB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Gruden with the rape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Good thing owners aren’t subjected to drug testing. Time for Jerry to hand over the keys. Too bad indeed. I could make a fortune selling my pee to Irsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, dubs said: A first and I think he’s an FA after this year. Possible after next. That’s a huge price to pay for a guy who’s been disappointing the last two years. He's paid roughly $14 million next season and then becomes a free agent after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Gil BrandtVerified account @Gil_Brandt 26s27 seconds ago MoreOf the 50 players taken by the Raiders in the last six drafts, only 16.0% remain, lowest % among all 32 teams. Raiders 16.0% Bills 16.3% Giants 20.5% Browns 20.7% 49ers 24.6% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) This is shades of Roy Williams to Dallas from Detroit 10 years ago. Big price paid by Jerrah (although that was a 1st, 3rd, and 6th) without much return. Edited October 22, 2018 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I wasn't saying Carr would be worse before he came back. I have a season and a half of actual games since the injury that say he isn't the same guy thus far. It really isn't remotely the same as what people said about Brees, or even Manning pre-Broncos. I don't agree on Carr's performance all being on him, doesn't Cooper have more drops than anyone?? Isn't that why he was traded? So you have a bad oline, and no weapons, and it's Carr's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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