Is hitting QB's on the arm roughing the passer?

[BBills88]

I wonder when we play the Patriots, if the Bills defensive players target Brady's elbows every chance they get to hit him, would they get called for roughing the passer.

Edited October 17, 2018 by BBills88

[K-9]

Looking at Brady cross-eyed while he’s in the pocket is considered roughing the passer.

[Warcodered]

Well you're not supposed to lead with your helmet anymore also you're not supposed to hit the QB late.

[COTC]

It’s a fact the refs favor patriots* especially Tom.  

 

In this scenario, yes, 100% a penalty.  

 

If we are playing the Jets, it could go either way. 

 

Refs have long been suspected of doing everything in their power to change the outcome of our games. 

 

Bills are at the very bottom of the totem pole. 

Edited October 17, 2018 by COTC

[klos63]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Well you're not supposed to lead with your helmet anymore also you're not supposed to hit the QB late.

Allen was hit late, with the helmet. That caused his injury.

[Spiderweb]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Well you're not supposed to lead with your helmet anymore also you're not supposed to hit the QB late.

Of which events took place when Allen got hurt but no call. Had that been Hughes, the field would have been littered with yellow laundry.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

if you spear him with your helmet...  I would say yes 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Well you're not supposed to lead with your helmet anymore also you're not supposed to hit the QB late.

Both players hit him late from either side. Flags should've been everywhere.  If it was Brady or Rodgers the flags would've come. It is what it is. The NFL invests very little in the Bill's. They continue to serve their purpose as schedule filler.

[Jobot]

Honestly I bet it it eventually becomes illegal to go for arm while the arm is in motion.  This league is so dumb.

[1st&ten]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Both players hit him late from either side. Flags should've been everywhere.  If it was Brady or Rodgers the flags would've come. It is what it is. The NFL invests very little in the Bill's. They continue to serve their purpose as schedule filler.

 

I've wondered why there hasn't been more discussion about the double hit on Allen. Of course we all know if it was Brady, Rogers, etc it would be all over the sport shows. One of the commenters on ESPN ( I think the ex Patriot lineman) said the other day that Brady is a super star & has earned the right to get the roughing calls-----what a bunch of BS, I wanted to puke when I heard that. So young QB's the future of the league don't deserve the same degree of protection ?  The rules should be same for everybody but of course they're not. So much for the NFL's player safety BS.  The Bill's owners & FO should be complaining like hell to the NFL about this hit.

[billspro]

You can answer your question by answering mine.

 

Is a QBs arm part of the QB?

[YoloinOhio]

McDermott addressed it today, he was pissed 

 

 

[billsfan_34]

39 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Well you're not supposed to lead with your helmet anymore also you're not supposed to hit the QB late.

Spearing/leading with the helmet has always been against the rules but rarely enforced until Recently . Josh Allen definitely was the recipient of 2 helmets sandwiching his arm that was also late. No flag unless your Brady.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

Allen was hit late, with the helmet. That caused his injury.

Wait a minute...We're now saying it was a dirty play?  No way.

[row_33]

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Wait a minute...We're now saying it was a dirty play?  No way.

 

that wasn't even 1% a dirty play

 

deal with it

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

that wasn't even 1% a dirty play

 

deal with it

 

Exactly what I said.

[PatsFanNH]

50 minutes ago, 1st&ten said:

 

I've wondered why there hasn't been more discussion about the double hit on Allen. Of course we all know if it was Brady, Rogers, etc it would be all over the sport shows. One of the commenters on ESPN ( I think the ex Patriot lineman) said the other day that Brady is a super star & has earned the right to get the roughing calls-----what a bunch of BS, I wanted to puke when I heard that. So young QB's the future of the league don't deserve the same degree of protection ?  The rules should be same for everybody but of course they're not. So much for the NFL's player safety BS.  The Bill's owners & FO should be complaining like hell to the NFL about this hit.

Brady,Brees, Rogers are the face of the NFL the three players everyone knows even if they don’t watch football.  I am pretty sure the NFL has told referees to pay “closer attention” to any hits on them.   Is it right? No all QBs should be given the same protection.. is it surprising? No this is a business and those three are money makers for all 32 teams.

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Exactly what I said.

 

thanks!!!

 

we will be more of a laughing stock for football fans if they see people on here crying about that hit...

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, 1st&ten said:

 

I've wondered why there hasn't been more discussion about the double hit on Allen. Of course we all know if it was Brady, Rogers, etc it would be all over the sport shows. One of the commenters on ESPN ( I think the ex Patriot lineman) said the other day that Brady is a super star & has earned the right to get the roughing calls-----what a bunch of BS, I wanted to puke when I heard that. So young QB's the future of the league don't deserve the same degree of protection ?  The rules should be same for everybody but of course they're not. So much for the NFL's player safety BS.  The Bill's owners & FO should be complaining like hell to the NFL about this hit.

In a perfect and ethical world that would happen. Just like any other huge company all the NFL cares about is revenue. Brady, Rodgers, etc generate that money. So of course they'll get preferential treatment. Once these guys all retire,  you'll see the young guns slowly get some calls. The shield put $ > fairness. 

[klos63]

56 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Wait a minute...We're now saying it was a dirty play?  No way.

I didn't say dirty, but I felt it was a late hit. And I said so at the time.

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Both players hit him late from either side. Flags should've been everywhere.  If it was Brady or Rodgers the flags would've come. It is what it is. The NFL invests very little in the Bill's. They continue to serve their purpose as schedule filler.

I believe it was a late hit, but I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. It wasn't blatant and it wasn't dirty, just late.

[Fred Clause]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Exactly what I said.

You are both F’ing idiots. Both hits were leading with the helmet, the hit to the elbow was way past when he threw the ball. It was considered dirty from the start. It amazes me how dumb people will speak when they don’t like a player...

[1st&ten]

34 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

In a perfect and ethical world that would happen. Just like any other huge company all the NFL cares about is revenue. Brady, Rodgers, etc generate that money. So of course they'll get preferential treatment. Once these guys all retire,  you'll see the young guns slowly get some calls. The shield put $ > fairness. 

 

I understand what your saying, but my point is that the NFL should also be protecting it's young QB's\future stars. It's kind of like companies that rode the good times & never invested in research & development & eventually died out.

[Boca BIlls]

Josh Allen... No

 

Tom Brady,  that is possible jail time.

[Dadonkadonk]

Complaining about the refs is so sad.  Was it the refs fault DiMmarco lined up wrong?  Offsides on a KO when they have to stand now.  It is dumb players and bad coaching.

 

As for the hit, yes it is a penalty to hit the QB anywhere after releasing the ball and with two steps.  It was a late hit leading with the helmet.  It should have been a flag.

 

That said it was not even close to a dirty play.  It did not look like he was trying to injure Allen.  Unlike Wilfork sticking his elbow into Losman's knee or Gronk  elbowing White's neck.  Those are dirty plays.  The hit on Allen was a penalty but not dirty.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Looking at Brady cross-eyed while he’s in the pocket is considered roughing the passer.

 

 

...I'm CERTAIN beyond a reasonable doubt that Riveron will get it right......

[Augie]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Looking at Brady cross-eyed while he’s in the pocket is considered roughing the passer.

 

He’ll probably whine if you glance his way while he’s on the sideline! 

[Paulus]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

thanks!!!

 

we will be more of a laughing stock for football fans if they see people on here crying about that hit...

 

 

Not dirty, but illegal...

[K-9]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

if you spear him with your helmet...  I would say yes 

Depends on where you spear him, no? I suspect a spear to his solar plexus would be worse than a spear to his labia, but then again ...

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

McDermott addressed it today, he was pissed 

 

 

 

 

He's going to trip an opposing kick returner running down the sideline Sunday?

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Suggests to me that Allen's elbow was hurt going into the game and that the Texans knew he was hurt. McDermott is really pissed about this, both now and during the game itself.

[BuffAlone]

4 hours ago, BBills88 said:

I wonder when we play the Patriots, if the Bills defensive players target Brady's elbows every chance they get to hit him, would they get called for roughing the passer.

By the way, you can't even SAY late hit, or breathe on Marsha, or its a flag. Every time

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Paulus said:

Not dirty, but illegal...

 

A flag was thrown???

 

You are now the dictator on illegal hits?  

 

Get over yerself and quick 

[Freddie's Dead]

Whitney Mercilus, with the dropped helmet, on the elbow.  Dirty, late, cheap.  On Marcia or A A Ron?  15yds all day long.

[klos63]

29 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

By the way, you can't even SAY late hit, or breathe on Marsha, or its a flag. Every time

Apparently not every time.   https://weei.radio.com/blogs/alex-reimer/tom-brady-took-hit-against-jacksonville-jaguars-probably-shouldve-been-called

 

33 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

By the way, you can't even SAY late hit, or breathe on Marsha, or its a flag. Every time

There has been 1 roughing the passer call against Brady all season. The whining about Brady is getting real old and pathetic.

[H2o]

Maybe we should re-sign career ender Arthur Moats. I think he's available. He basically ended Favre's career. Blitz him every time and keep your fingers crossed. 

[BuffAlone]

9 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Apparently not every time.   https://weei.radio.com/blogs/alex-reimer/tom-brady-took-hit-against-jacksonville-jaguars-probably-shouldve-been-called

 

There has been 1 roughing the passer call against Brady all season. The whining about Brady is getting real old and pathetic.

Yeah...sorry pal, not speaking of "this" season as a history lesson. Speaking vaguely of history in general. What we've ALL seen time and time again. 

The only whining is coming from you, who takes this quip and tries to make it "politically correct". Get over it man, I wasn't speaking necessarily as fact, just calling it as I, and I alone, see it. 

Thanks for comment tho?

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

Yeah...sorry pal, not speaking of "this" season as a history lesson. Speaking vaguely of history in general. What we've ALL seen time and time again. 

The only whining is coming from you, who takes this quip and tries to make it "politically correct". Get over it man, I wasn't speaking necessarily as fact, just calling it as I, and I alone, see it. 

Thanks for comment tho?

politically correct? Where does that come from . I was 'statistically correct'.  You should have mentioned first that you weren't speaking as fact, often that is assumed. So the year the league goes crazy with roughing the passer penalties is the year they decide to not call it against Brady. Interesting.

[BuffAlone]

18 minutes ago, klos63 said:

politically correct? Where does that come from . I was 'statistically correct'.  You should have mentioned first that you weren't speaking as fact, often that is assumed. So the year the league goes crazy with roughing the passer penalties is the year they decide to not call it against Brady. Interesting.

Better choice of wording by you.statistically speaking.

And my apologies for not denoting an obvious quip, lacking of any stats, as what it is before I spoke it. Some people need the punchline first I guess. 

Lighten up, Frances

 

Edited October 17, 2018 by BuffAlone

[klos63]

9 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

Better choice of wording by you.statistically speaking.

And my apologies for not denoting an obvious quip, lacking of any stats, as what it is before I spoke it. Some people need the punchline first I guess. 

Lighten up, Frances

 

sorry for being so critical, it's just really ridiculous the way people react to Brady's successes. I should just ignore the comments, they're obviously not meant to be taken literally.