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Is hitting QB's on the arm roughing the passer?

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I wonder when we play the Patriots, if the Bills defensive players target Brady's elbows every chance they get to hit him, would they get called for roughing the passer.

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Looking at Brady cross-eyed while he’s in the pocket is considered roughing the passer.

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Well you're not supposed to lead with your helmet anymore also you're not supposed to hit the QB late.

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It’s a fact the refs favor patriots* especially Tom.  

 

In this scenario, yes, 100% a penalty.  

 

If we are playing the Jets, it could go either way. 

 

Refs have long been suspected of doing everything in their power to change the outcome of our games. 

 

Bills are at the very bottom of the totem pole. 

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1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Well you're not supposed to lead with your helmet anymore also you're not supposed to hit the QB late.

Allen was hit late, with the helmet. That caused his injury.

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2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Well you're not supposed to lead with your helmet anymore also you're not supposed to hit the QB late.

Of which events took place when Allen got hurt but no call. Had that been Hughes, the field would have been littered with yellow laundry.

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3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Well you're not supposed to lead with your helmet anymore also you're not supposed to hit the QB late.

Both players hit him late from either side. Flags should've been everywhere.  If it was Brady or Rodgers the flags would've come. It is what it is. The NFL invests very little in the Bill's. They continue to serve their purpose as schedule filler.

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Honestly I bet it it eventually becomes illegal to go for arm while the arm is in motion.  This league is so dumb.

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6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Both players hit him late from either side. Flags should've been everywhere.  If it was Brady or Rodgers the flags would've come. It is what it is. The NFL invests very little in the Bill's. They continue to serve their purpose as schedule filler.

 

I've wondered why there hasn't been more discussion about the double hit on Allen. Of course we all know if it was Brady, Rogers, etc it would be all over the sport shows. One of the commenters on ESPN ( I think the ex Patriot lineman) said the other day that Brady is a super star & has earned the right to get the roughing calls-----what a bunch of BS, I wanted to puke when I heard that. So young QB's the future of the league don't deserve the same degree of protection ?  The rules should be same for everybody but of course they're not. So much for the NFL's player safety BS.  The Bill's owners & FO should be complaining like hell to the NFL about this hit.

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You can answer your question by answering mine.

 

Is a QBs arm part of the QB?

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39 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Well you're not supposed to lead with your helmet anymore also you're not supposed to hit the QB late.

Spearing/leading with the helmet has always been against the rules but rarely enforced until Recently . Josh Allen definitely was the recipient of 2 helmets sandwiching his arm that was also late. No flag unless your Brady.

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1 hour ago, klos63 said:

Allen was hit late, with the helmet. That caused his injury.

Wait a minute...We're now saying it was a dirty play?  No way.

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9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Wait a minute...We're now saying it was a dirty play?  No way.

 

that wasn't even 1% a dirty play

 

deal with it

 

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1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

that wasn't even 1% a dirty play

 

deal with it

 

Exactly what I said.

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50 minutes ago, 1st&ten said:

 

I've wondered why there hasn't been more discussion about the double hit on Allen. Of course we all know if it was Brady, Rogers, etc it would be all over the sport shows. One of the commenters on ESPN ( I think the ex Patriot lineman) said the other day that Brady is a super star & has earned the right to get the roughing calls-----what a bunch of BS, I wanted to puke when I heard that. So young QB's the future of the league don't deserve the same degree of protection ?  The rules should be same for everybody but of course they're not. So much for the NFL's player safety BS.  The Bill's owners & FO should be complaining like hell to the NFL about this hit.

Brady,Brees, Rogers are the face of the NFL the three players everyone knows even if they don’t watch football.  I am pretty sure the NFL has told referees to pay “closer attention” to any hits on them.   Is it right? No all QBs should be given the same protection.. is it surprising? No this is a business and those three are money makers for all 32 teams.

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10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Exactly what I said.

 

thanks!!!

 

we will be more of a laughing stock for football fans if they see people on here crying about that hit...

 

 

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1 hour ago, 1st&ten said:

 

I've wondered why there hasn't been more discussion about the double hit on Allen. Of course we all know if it was Brady, Rogers, etc it would be all over the sport shows. One of the commenters on ESPN ( I think the ex Patriot lineman) said the other day that Brady is a super star & has earned the right to get the roughing calls-----what a bunch of BS, I wanted to puke when I heard that. So young QB's the future of the league don't deserve the same degree of protection ?  The rules should be same for everybody but of course they're not. So much for the NFL's player safety BS.  The Bill's owners & FO should be complaining like hell to the NFL about this hit.

In a perfect and ethical world that would happen. Just like any other huge company all the NFL cares about is revenue. Brady, Rodgers, etc generate that money. So of course they'll get preferential treatment. Once these guys all retire,  you'll see the young guns slowly get some calls. The shield put $ > fairness. 

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56 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Wait a minute...We're now saying it was a dirty play?  No way.

I didn't say dirty, but I felt it was a late hit. And I said so at the time.

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Both players hit him late from either side. Flags should've been everywhere.  If it was Brady or Rodgers the flags would've come. It is what it is. The NFL invests very little in the Bill's. They continue to serve their purpose as schedule filler.

I believe it was a late hit, but I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. It wasn't blatant and it wasn't dirty, just late.

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1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Exactly what I said.

You are both F’ing idiots. Both hits were leading with the helmet, the hit to the elbow was way past when he threw the ball. It was considered dirty from the start. It amazes me how dumb people will speak when they don’t like a player...

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34 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

In a perfect and ethical world that would happen. Just like any other huge company all the NFL cares about is revenue. Brady, Rodgers, etc generate that money. So of course they'll get preferential treatment. Once these guys all retire,  you'll see the young guns slowly get some calls. The shield put $ > fairness. 

 

I understand what your saying, but my point is that the NFL should also be protecting it's young QB's\future stars. It's kind of like companies that rode the good times & never invested in research & development & eventually died out.

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Complaining about the refs is so sad.  Was it the refs fault DiMmarco lined up wrong?  Offsides on a KO when they have to stand now.  It is dumb players and bad coaching.

 

As for the hit, yes it is a penalty to hit the QB anywhere after releasing the ball and with two steps.  It was a late hit leading with the helmet.  It should have been a flag.

 

That said it was not even close to a dirty play.  It did not look like he was trying to injure Allen.  Unlike Wilfork sticking his elbow into Losman's knee or Gronk  elbowing White's neck.  Those are dirty plays.  The hit on Allen was a penalty but not dirty.

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