RyanTalbotBills Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 A lot of people expect the Bills to be sellers at the trade deadline. That may be the case, but the Bills should also have an open mind about adding talent at the deadline. I listed seven potential targets in my article and gave reasons why the players may be available. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the seven players listed, as well as any players you'd like to see the team add. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/10/bdc68833327434/nfl-trade-rumors-7-players-buf.html#incart_most-readsports 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I would be ecstatic with any of those WRs. I will also add I would consider -A. Cooper -M. Sanu -A. Hurns 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, RyanTalbotBills said: A lot of people expect the Bills to be sellers at the trade deadline. That may be the case, but the Bills should also have an open mind about adding talent at the deadline. I listed seven potential targets in my article and gave reasons why the players may be available. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the seven players listed, as well as any players you'd like to see the team add. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/10/bdc68833327434/nfl-trade-rumors-7-players-buf.html#incart_most-readsports The next three games hold the key obviously. If they are 4-4 no worse than after MNF, they should buy instead of selling IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, RyanTalbotBills said: A lot of people expect the Bills to be sellers at the trade deadline. That may be the case, but the Bills should also have an open mind about adding talent at the deadline. I listed seven potential targets in my article and gave reasons why the players may be available. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the seven players listed, as well as any players you'd like to see the team add. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/10/bdc68833327434/nfl-trade-rumors-7-players-buf.html#incart_most-readsports Thomas would be alright but I don't think that Denver and Buffalo will come together on a price if interested. I really would not want to give more than a 5th for him but that is probably not enough. Maybe a 5th and a conditional pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanTalbotBills Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I would be ecstatic with any of those WRs. I will also add I would consider -A. Cooper -M. Sanu -A. Hurns I like the idea of Buffalo at least calling about those wide receivers. All three are on struggling teams so it may be possible. 3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Thomas would be alright but I don't think that Denver and Buffalo will come together on a price if interested. I really would not want to give more than a 5th for him but that is probably not enough. Maybe a 5th and a conditional pick. I could see Denver firing Vance Joseph in the next 2-3 weeks. At that point, I think a lot of their players would be available. It will be interesting to see what their asking price is if he's put on the trade block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I'd easily give up a 2nd for Amari Cooper, I don't think a 3rd would get it done. Sign him right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, RyanTalbotBills said: I could see Denver firing Vance Joseph in the next 2-3 weeks. At that point, I think a lot of their players would be available. It will be interesting to see what their asking price is if he's put on the trade block. Except the trade deadline is in 2 weeks Just now, NewDayBills said: I'd easily give up a 2nd for Amari Cooper, I don't think a 3rd would get it done. Sign him right away. Except the Raiders just gave up a 3rd for Martavius Bryant. I don't think Chuckie would be amenable to trading away WRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Except the trade deadline is in 2 weeks Except the Raiders just gave up a 3rd for Martavius Bryant. I don't think Chuckie would be amenable to trading away WRs I wouldn't go any higher than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 27 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The next three games hold the key obviously. If they are 4-4 no worse than after MNF, they should buy instead of selling IMO. I don’t think it needs to be either/or but should be geared at shedding older or expiring guys and acquisitions that can be here longer term. Ginn, for instance, I think is silly as a target regardless of record as we aren’t real contenders. But a young guy can be a target regardless of record too (say Cooper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I'd call up Howie Roseman, I'd say: You guys want Shady? Well we want Amari Cooper. You work out the compensation with Oakland and we'll give you Shady. 3 way trade, we give up no picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I know there would be audible groans if we kept adding to our defense, but Conley and Reddick scream no-brainer to me. Would love to trade a couple mid/late round picks for them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanTalbotBills Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: I'd call up Howie Roseman, I'd say: You guys want Shady? Well we want Amari Cooper. You work out the compensation with Oakland and we'll give you Shady. 3 way trade, we give up no picks. I wish we saw more three team trades in the NFL. 38 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Except the trade deadline is in 2 weeks Except the Raiders just gave up a 3rd for Martavius Bryant. I don't think Chuckie would be amenable to trading away WRs I should have been more specific. I could see the Broncos firing Joseph after their game on the 28th considering their three games before the deadline include matchups with the Rams, Cardinals and Chiefs. If that happens, the Broncos may sell off pieces on the eve or day of the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, RyanTalbotBills said: I wish we saw more three team trades in the NFL. Well, Philly may have a player Oakland wants which could make the price tag more feasible for Roseman. I'd go nuts if Cooper was in Buffalo, immediately sign him to 5ys 55 million, someone Allen can grow with. Shady goes back home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Thanks Ryan Talbot. Bills could really use some WR help. If they couldn't swing a trade for a vet, maybe they could poach some young guys from practice squads. Maybe WRs Tanner Gentry from the Bears and/or Steven Mitchell from the Rams? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Sorry to rain on the parade, but I don't see Beane giving up any draft picks at all unless he finds someone he and McD want to keep around next 3-5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 30 minutes ago, SCBills said: I know there would be audible groans if we kept adding to our defense, but Conley and Reddick scream no-brainer to me. Would love to trade a couple mid/late round picks for them. Agree with you there. Those are building block, young, athletic type of players. The WRs mentioned? I don't know. I like Tate, he's a dog. Could give the O some grit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: Sorry to rain on the parade, but I don't see Beane giving up any draft picks at all unless he finds someone he and McD want to keep around next 3-5 years. If you look at the last draft, I’m curious to see what they can do next spring. Unless you see something really tantalizing, keep those picks and work some magic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Except the trade deadline is in 2 weeks Except the Raiders just gave up a 3rd for Martavius Bryant. I don't think Chuckie would be amenable to trading away WRs Chuckie has no rhyme or reason. I think Cooper is not out of the realm because Carr isn't improving, Cooper hasn't taken the next step, and I think the Raiders are looking at a long rebuild. Chuckie can save face by saying he needs to get his guys. But as we know that takes more picks and money (not tied up in too many long term contracts). Chuckie traded Mack then talks about how hard it is to rush the passer when the Raiders can't get to opposing QBs. So, anything is possible. Beane should be checking in. 1 minute ago, Augie said: If you look at the last draft, I’m curious to see what they can do next spring. Unless you see something really tantalizing, keep those picks and work some magic! Don't disagree in principal, but there is something to be said about "drafting" through trade, young, undervalued talent that fits the system/culture in a new organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, SCBills said: I know there would be audible groans if we kept adding to our defense, but Conley and Reddick scream no-brainer to me. Would love to trade a couple mid/late round picks for them. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Bills spend the next 10 months trying to build the league's most dominant defense with all of their cap and draft capital. They've kinda' !@#$ed themselves royally on offense with dumb decisions since McDermott got hired. And they have shown zero ability to unearth any talent on that side of the ball. But like the droughty Bills under defensive watch of Wade and Greggo and LeBeau and Pettine and Schwartz they've seemingly succeeded to some extent in picking that low hanging defensive fruit and might have to live off of that and use Allen as a battering ram for a couple more seasons than planned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Bills spend the next 10 months trying to build the league's most dominant defense with all of their cap and draft capital. They've kinda' !@#$ed themselves royally on offense with dumb decisions since McDermott got hired. And they have shown zero ability to unearth any talent on that side of the ball. But like the droughty Bills under defensive watch of Wade and Greggo and LeBeau and Pettine and Schwartz they've seemingly succeeded to some extent in picking that low hanging defensive fruit and might have to live off of that and use Allen as a battering ram for a couple more seasons than planned. I think we can give them more than one full offseason to make assumptions about their ability on offense, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: I think we can give them more than one full offseason to make assumptions about their ability on offense, no? It's already been two full offseasons. Part of the sales pitch with McD was that he was a personnel expert.........and he basically discounted the scouting of the staff he inherited and made his moves based on his own eyes and those of a few questionably qualified people that he hired. (Phil McGeoghan in particular) This is HIS team........Beane gets blamed for the Watkins/Darby/Benjamin/Dareus lopsided trades but he was just doing the bidding of McD...........those kinda' moves were not something McD had time to cultivate. He also did not want Mahomes and then made Doug Whaley........who DID want Mahomes.........work out the trade details with Dorsey.? I like a lot of things McD brings to the table.........discipline and defense.......... but he took over a team that had just had it's best offensive production in TWENTY FIVE YEARS........since mid-SB era.........and has made one choice after the next to totally destroy both the personnel and the scheme with his bad decisions on that side of the ball. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Tate, Hassan, and Conley Love all of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Demaryius Thomas I really think would be a bad idea for the Bills. If Denver offered Thomas and a 1st round pick in exchange for the Bills' 7th rounder I still might say no. He's got a 17+mil cap hit next year and an 8.5mil cap hit left this year. Even pro-rated for this season that means the Bills will be spending ~23mil in cap space to rent an aging WR for 1 1/2 yrs. I would really hate it if they made that move. Reddick & Garcon seem like they could both be interesting options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Tate, Hassan, and Conley Love all of them Exact ones I wanted on the list. I don’t typically like older but, as Haze mentioned, Tate is tough and would bring some fire, accountability and toughness to the WR room; the anti-KB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) I would trade Shady straight up for Jefferies, Agholor, or Lane Johnson. The addition of Thomas, Conley and Reddick would be awesome. Edited October 14, 2018 by Clyde Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said: I would trade Shady straight up for Jefferies, Agholor, or Lane Johnson. The addition of Thomas, Conley and Reddick would be awesome. Roseman would not. Picks only as they try to repeat as Super Bowl Champions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Roseman would not. Picks only as they try to repeat as Super Bowl Champions. Well i'm cool with keeping Shady and adding my bottom three, or at least two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anguskeenan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) I don’t know anything about reddick as I don’t watch college football and haven’t followed the cards lately. If he’s not a fit in the new coaches system, is it just because there is already a stud at the position? Coming from Carolina a year after McDermott, I guess I figured their systems would be pretty similar. Is it scheme or just available playing time, the trade idea being a way to get some value for someone they no longer need? of the receivers mentioned, sign me up for Tate all day. That guy always plays hard, something we don’t see here in that room these days from the guys we would expect to. Remember, Thomas was drafted same year as Dez and our wonderful pick, CJ Sliller... these guys are both out of the league and I expect Thomas to not be far behind, which is insane considering that was only 2010. Tate was drafted one round later in the same draft and still seems to be into the game. Edited October 14, 2018 by anguskeenan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, RyanTalbotBills said: A lot of people expect the Bills to be sellers at the trade deadline. That may be the case, but the Bills should also have an open mind about adding talent at the deadline. I listed seven potential targets in my article and gave reasons why the players may be available. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the seven players listed, as well as any players you'd like to see the team add. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/10/bdc68833327434/nfl-trade-rumors-7-players-buf.html#incart_most-readsports Thomas will be a 31 year old by next season but would give Allen a true legit #1 WR, not sure what I'd pay for a player on decline though, a 3rd rounder? Tate is a FA after the season why would we give up a draft pick for him? Ginn Jr. wtf? I'm actually hoping the Bills stay pat right now and hold onto those picks, I'd like to draft a young up and coming WR1 to compliment Zay Jones and perhaps a FA pickup like John Brown or Tyrell Williams. Were in a pretty good spot, there are some underrated OL in FA, it should also be a decent draft for OL and about 5 WR as of right now with a 1st round grade that I've read about but I'm sure that number will be more around 3 by seasons end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I just want to see life out of Allen tomorrow. If he’s making strides with our tire fire WRs, I say buy at the deadline and help him along the rest of the way and into next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: I would trade Shady straight up for Jefferies, Agholor, or Lane Johnson. Do people really not understand that a contending team doesn't trade a key starter to get another starter at a different position? They trade a future asset to get better and win now. It's not that complicated. Happens in all sports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Tate might be the only wr I'd consider from this group. The rest are too old. Reddick would be an interesting pu. At this point I think we're drafting 3 wrs this April. Dump KB and Holmes and pray Zay continues his gradual development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 No offense, but the offensive additions you've floated in your article appear completely out of touch with how McBeane seems to be constructing this roster. While they've taken flyers on several older vets (with unfortunate outcomes...ahem, Davis and Boldin), they haven't given up assets to acquire these players. It's just not in their DNA to trade for 30+ year-old WRs nearing the ends of their contracts. That seems obvious. I don't hate some of these suggestions, but I do think it's bizarre to posit them without also acknowledging how incredibly unlikely they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Bills spend the next 10 months trying to build the league's most dominant defense with all of their cap and draft capital. They've kinda' !@#$ed themselves royally on offense with dumb decisions since McDermott got hired. And they have shown zero ability to unearth any talent on that side of the ball. But like the droughty Bills under defensive watch of Wade and Greggo and LeBeau and Pettine and Schwartz they've seemingly succeeded to some extent in picking that low hanging defensive fruit and might have to live off of that and use Allen as a battering ram for a couple more seasons than planned. Use the Quarterback as a battering ram? Edited October 14, 2018 by iinii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Out of those seven players, I'd be interested in Reddick, Conley, and Garcon. It would be interesting to know what Beane thought of Reddick and Conley when they were coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Reddick and Conley are the only 2 players mentioned that interest me. No thanks to giving up picks for a 30 something WR whos best years are behind them. Use 2 high picks for WR, and sign 1 or 2 WR in FA. And fix the oline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 12 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I would be ecstatic with any of those WRs. I will also add I would consider -A. Cooper -M. Sanu -A. Hurns Sanu makes a ton of sense and buy would cooper be awesome. While sanu is not a game breaker, he is a legit top 3 receiver and adds to the puzzle of 1”9 and beyond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Bills spend the next 10 months trying to build the league's most dominant defense with all of their cap and draft capital. They've kinda' !@#$ed themselves royally on offense with dumb decisions since McDermott got hired. And they have shown zero ability to unearth any talent on that side of the ball. But like the droughty Bills under defensive watch of Wade and Greggo and LeBeau and Pettine and Schwartz they've seemingly succeeded to some extent in picking that low hanging defensive fruit and might have to live off of that and use Allen as a battering ram for a couple more seasons than planned. You have nailed the relationship with McDermott and Beane dead on. McDermott makes the personnel decisions, and Beane does his bidding by getting the guys McDermott wants -- and McDermott's offensive philosophy is reminiscent of the conservative coaches' from the 1970s or 1980s where the job of the offense is to not lose the game while the defense and special teams provide the winning plays. I'm sure that Mike Ditka and Dick Jauron whole-hearted support McDermott's offensive views because it's the way they liked to play the game. My guess is that picking Allen -- or any first round QB in 2019 -- was simply to placate the fan base. Passing on better QB prospects in 2017 in order to draft a first round DB as well as trading away Watkins after letting Woods and Goodwin walk away in FA reflects how little McDermott values offensive football. That the Bills did nothing but sign bottom feeder OC Bodine and a couple of other non-NFL caliber scrubs to replace Wood and Incognito as well as waiting until late in the fifth round to start drafting offensive players other than Allen simply underscores McDermott's disinterest in creating a modern offense for the Bills by providing his young QB with protection and targets. That the Bills have FINALLY got around to getting him a real mentor -- five weeks into the season FCOL! -- tells you how little McDermott, Beane, and the Bills really care about Allen's success. You could very well argue that NOT signing Anderson or another experienced starter before TC was done deliberately to insure that Allen was going to be starting sooner rather than later, and that the idea that the Bills "intended" Allen to sit and learn for a while was just so much wishful thinking on the part of Bills fans. Allen is essentially on his own to sink or swim ... and be the convenient scapegoat for the team's poor record until the point where either McDermott/Beane get the boot or he's declared "a bust". Edited October 14, 2018 by SoTier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 11 hours ago, purple haze said: Agree with you there. Those are building block, young, athletic type of players. The WRs mentioned? I don't know. I like Tate, he's a dog. Could give the O some grit. Yeah. Tate would be a welcome addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 11 hours ago, purple haze said: Chuckie has no rhyme or reason. Nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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