Doc Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, ctk232 said: Stating the obvious here but it's pretty likely they win the game if he catches it. But for everyone posting how great our Defense has been, the grain of salt is if you take away the turnover differential (which is mostly just the ball bouncing our way), we were one play away from losing that game due to a drop in coverage. Top 10 defenses have that happen, but not with 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter in a game where we know our offense likely won't put up more than 3 points a drive. Mistakes happen. Look at Bojorquez and the botched FG attempt or Holmes' muffing of a perfect pass leading to an INT and FG. That's 6 points right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 45 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: As it is for every team on most fumbles and some interceptions. You don’t think the ball bounced the Titan’s way on the interception? And all defenses, even top 10 defenses, benefit from dropped passes, overthrown receivers, penalties, or some other mistake negating a big play/touchdown almost every game - even at the end of a game. Never said it didn't, it bounces both ways every game. But all I'm saying is before we go parading our defense, let's have a bit more efficacious data to work with and see how they perform in games where we can't force turnovers like we have in the Minnesota and Tennessee games. I think our Defense is really solid and has plenty of upside, but all I'm saying is we should slow down on that train and wait and see how they perform moving forward external of the crazy amount of turnovers. It's a catch-22 because it's not like I want to see less INTs, fumbles, etc. Just saying grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 It was God’s fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 42 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I don't think it's obvious at all. Plenty of time to drive the field and score. Assuming the d keeps it all underneath, the movement up the field is very doable and it comes down to whether or not the Bills can push it in. I'm also not sure why you would take away the turnover differential as turnovers are part of the game, and the turnovers are often a result of disciplined defense and aggressive tackling. To me, that's like saying if you take away the winning field goal we lose. Or, if you take away the pass rush perhaps Mariotta has a better day. The defense played well. Who knows, maybe they got in William's head in the first 55 minutes of the game and he was concerned about securing the ball if he was hit from a crazy angle. Could we have driven the field and put up more than 3 points? Absolutely. It's possible just wasn't likely given how the game was going, but yes, still possible. And I'm not removing the turnovers from the evaluation - quite the contrary. I responded separately to this effect in that we should at least wait a couple more weeks for some efficacious data to provide a better sense of how good this D is. I personally think our defense is solid and has tremendous upside. We've seen this since our opener and week 2 games. But before we start parading around our defense, let's see how they perform outside of the turnovers, or in games where we can't force any INTs, fumbles, etc. It's absolutely part of the game and I love seeing it, but all I'm saying is don't start the train too early/take what you've seen with a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'd pick him up just for that punt return. Made our ST look bad, and I mean like, not good bad. So was he good or was Lacey just that bad with the missed tackle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Get him!!! Our WRs already can't catch... at least he can get open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Doc said: Mistakes happen. Look at Bojorquez and the botched FG attempt or Holmes' muffing of a perfect pass leading to an INT and FG. That's 6 points right there. Don't get me wrong, not pointing to this as the one play that determined the outcome. That would be idiotic. Just take that play in the moment after all had occurred up to that point - do you have faith in our offense to drive the field for 6 if Williams comes down with the TD? The drive they put together was great, but it's far less likely we put up 6 on the final drive versus the 3 we did. Fortunately, it didn't end up going that way and we didn't play ourselves out of the final drive. Edited October 9, 2018 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: Was just going to say, bring him in! He might still be in the lockerroom trying to shower cause he keeps dropping the soap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, billsfan11 said: Even on that INT. It looked like it was more on him than Mariota. He basically stopped running and did not cut in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, teef said: that **** was pretty bad. Why did God let that happen. 1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said: It was God’s fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Kmart128 said: This seems like a Patriots type signing No way, Yoda taught the student (Vrabel) well....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: Williams would seem to fit our WR group. Git er done Beane.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I was at the game, saw his punt return and was thinking that was one of the fastest white dudes I’ve seen. Well besides baseball’s Trea Turner. That guy is a burner too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, ctk232 said: Don't get me wrong, not pointing to this as the one play that determined the outcome. That would be idiotic. Just take that play in the moment after all had occurred up to that point - do you have faith in our offense to drive the field for 6 if Williams comes down with the TD? The drive they put together was great, but it's far less likely we put up 6 on the final drive versus the 3 we did. Fortunately, it didn't end up going that way and we didn't play ourselves out of the final drive. Sure if that play had resulted in a TD, the odds of the Bills winning plummet. I don't think that anyone would argue that. But that play affects everything after it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Buffalo: where NFL careers go to die. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Not surprised. Vrabel is a hard ass. Anyone remember when he was in hard knocks? Do you know what a !@#$ing ram is????? When I say ram you !@#$ing ram!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 4 hours ago, ctk232 said: Stating the obvious here but it's pretty likely they win the game if he catches it. But for everyone posting how great our Defense has been, the grain of salt is if you take away the turnover differential (which is mostly just the ball bouncing our way), we were one play away from losing that game due to a drop in coverage. Top 10 defenses have that happen, but not with 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter in a game where we know our offense likely won't put up more than 3 points a drive. Guy they would have given up 16 points for the game if he catches that.... 16 points. People take me to be negative but the defense played great last week. I can't hate on a 16 point performance or even 22 to Aaron Rodgers. Those are winnable games if your offense is average. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I think the guy felt the vibe at New Era, and he wanted to be one of us. The path is OPEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: He at least was wide open, so he can get some separation We have a guy for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 hours ago, ctk232 said: Stating the obvious here but it's pretty likely they win the game if he catches it. But for everyone posting how great our Defense has been, the grain of salt is if you take away the turnover differential (which is mostly just the ball bouncing our way), we were one play away from losing that game due to a drop in coverage. Top 10 defenses have that happen, but not with 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter in a game where we know our offense likely won't put up more than 3 points a drive. If I had a buck for every Bills game that was lost because the ball didn't bounce our way or we were one play away from winning I'd be a rich man. That's just how it works. A win is a win, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 hours ago, ctk232 said: Stating the obvious here but it's pretty likely they win the game if he catches it. But for everyone posting how great our Defense has been, the grain of salt is if you take away the turnover differential (which is mostly just the ball bouncing our way), we were one play away from losing that game due to a drop in coverage. Top 10 defenses have that happen, but not with 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter in a game where we know our offense likely won't put up more than 3 points a drive. The Bills offense did consistently hang the defense out to dry. That being said I agree there were a lot of lucky plays for the defense including the drop. But the Bills defense did a good job consistently getting stops and making big plays. However the Bills did lose 3 points on a bonehead play with the botched snap so you do have to factor that in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 4 hours ago, ctk232 said: Could we have driven the field and put up more than 3 points? Absolutely. It's possible just wasn't likely given how the game was going, but yes, still possible. And I'm not removing the turnovers from the evaluation - quite the contrary. I responded separately to this effect in that we should at least wait a couple more weeks for some efficacious data to provide a better sense of how good this D is. I personally think our defense is solid and has tremendous upside. We've seen this since our opener and week 2 games. But before we start parading around our defense, let's see how they perform outside of the turnovers, or in games where we can't force any INTs, fumbles, etc. It's absolutely part of the game and I love seeing it, but all I'm saying is don't start the train too early/take what you've seen with a grain of salt. I apparently missed the point you were making regarding the defense and how they will fare moving forward. I was just responding about this game. I still hold that its impossible to say what might have happened had we made a touchdown, because after all, the titans were as unlikely to score the td othe drop based on the other 55 minutes of ball. It was absolutely fortunate that he dropped it, and as I said earlier I thought the d played very well on Sunday. Moving forward your cautious approach is warranted of course. Have a good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 First Stevie, now this, that endzone is haunted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 11 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: As it is for every team on most fumbles and some interceptions. You don’t think the ball bounced the Titan’s way on the interception? And all defenses, even top 10 defenses, benefit from dropped passes, overthrown receivers, penalties, or some other mistake negating a big play/touchdown almost every game - even at the end of a game. precisely, the fact the titans only had one opportunity to get a play like that is why our defense is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 We should sign him, the Bills have no one that can get that wide open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Homestly, with our WR corp, I say kick the tires. Even if he just matches our current receivers, maybe he'll have some chemistry with Allen. It also sends a message that what's going on right now at WR isn't acceptable. Everyone drops passes. I think most of us remember a certain Pittsburgh game and a not-to-shabby Bills receiver dropping a wide open game winner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 16 hours ago, Peace Frog said: Wasn't he the one who had a nice punt return fake fair catch or two against us? I'd give him a look. FTFY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 16 hours ago, Logic said: Yikes. I'm surprised he even caught the flight out of Buffalo! ...28 career catches.......7 balls and 21 flights................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 15 hours ago, Da webster guy said: Gee that's funny, our team seems to reward guys that drop the ball a lot and keep the guys with better upside and hands on the bench. Replace KB with Croom NOW. He was a 3 year WR in college before converting to TE, same size as KB, better blocker, way better hands, hungry, dedicated, team player, tough, earned his spot based on merit etc. And he’s nailing the owners daughter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 14 hours ago, Green Lightning said: If I had a buck for every Bills game that was lost because the ball didn't bounce our way or we were one play away from winning I'd be a rich man. That's just how it works. A win is a win, period. Don't disagree in the slightest - thought to note, some wins are just more convincing than others. No doubt our defense combined with our RBs and OL, dare I say, won us that game. W is a W no matter how it came, but for the purpose of my point, we all know the difference and what a convincing win looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Punching Bag Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I think he will fit well there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Ok, so good enough for Sean McVay the new heir apparent to Belichick, but Buffalo says, "Naw, we're good.".....(there's some sarcasm about the McVay - Belichick comparison, but not the latter part of my comment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: Ok, so good enough for Sean McVay the new heir apparent to Belichick, but Buffalo says, "Naw, we're good.".....(there's some sarcasm about the McVay - Belichick comparison, but not the latter part of my comment). Actually the Beli / McVay comparison will probably be pretty accurate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Looks like the drop was the best thing to happen to Nick Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 5:25 PM, zow2 said: I was at the game, saw his punt return and was thinking that was one of the fastest white dudes I’ve seen. Well besides baseball’s Trea Turner. That guy is a burner too. We could have used him on punt return last week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2018 Author Share Posted October 17, 2018 The Rams make it official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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