iinii Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 "I should have never gotten traded [from Philadelphia] anyway," McCoy said. "I was killing stuff, you know? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 With: 1-3 Without: 1-0 next question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 We are 2-3, we are not out of it yet. Without McCoy we're under 5 wins, with McCoy there is a chance the ship gets righted and we make a push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) If we get a 2nd round pick and Shady is happy going back to Philly to end his career where he started and his home state it would be a Win, Win, Win situation. I’d ok with it for a 2nd round pick. Edited October 10, 2018 by wppete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Between McD, Peterson and Shady’s comments it seems a deal may be in the works. If he is getting dealt I’d expect it’s this week, they would want him in their building as they have a 10 day break inbetween games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I would have thought Shady's rib injury would lower his trade value this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin1778 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So why are so sure we will only win 6 games with him? I only see 4 wins left on schedule. Colts Jets at Home Lions Dolphins at Home Who else are they beating? I think they probably lose to Lions without McCoy. Toss up either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: At $8M, LeShady is cheap and basically the entire offense when healthy. Trading him right now for just a 2 and a 3 is stark-raving !@#$ nuts. At least wait for the deadline and leverage another pick or two, or at least a usable player. I'm against the trade, but if you really want to do it, three picks or 2 picks and a player minimum. There is no way we'll get anywhere near that for McCoy, which is why the Bills should just keep him. McCoy is worth a 3rd rounder at best. Probably a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kevin1778 said: I only see 4 wins left on schedule. Colts Jets at Home Lions Dolphins at Home Who else are they beating? I think they probably lose to Lions without McCoy. Toss up either way. Did you expect us to beat the Vikings or Titans though? I didn't. And we aren't even playing our best football yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said: I only see 4 wins left on schedule. Colts Jets at Home Lions Dolphins at Home Who else are they beating? I think they probably lose to Lions without McCoy. Toss up either way. They can logically beat any of the remaining teams except New England and maybe Chicago. None of the rest are very good. They probably won't win the rest, but not a single one of those games would be a shock to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said: I only see 4 wins left on schedule. Colts Jets at Home Lions Dolphins at Home Who else are they beating? I think they probably lose to Lions without McCoy. Toss up either way. I don’t have your ability to predict the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, NewDayBills said: Did you expect us to beat the Vikings or Titans though? I didn't. And we aren't even playing our best football yet. Ah, unfortunately there isn't a better to be had in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 The last trade with the Eagles didn't work out that well for us. We got the last pick of the 3nd round and they got a starting CB that helped them win a SB. I hate trading with the Eagles. I bet we would come out of the trade with some crappy return like a 4th or 5th rounder. It may be better to wait to the trade deadline. Maybe another team in the hunt has their top RB go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin1778 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, MJS said: They can logically beat any of the remaining teams except New England and maybe Chicago. None of the rest are very good. They probably won't win the rest, but not a single one of those games would be a shock to win. Texans, Jaguars, and Bears will feast on Bills Offensive Line. They are terrible matchups for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Radar said: Ah, unfortunately there isn't a better to be had in my opinion Our running game could pick up, Shady could actually be utilized properly, Allen could get into a groove. Alot can happen. We are 2-3, not 0-5. We are very much in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I’m worried McCoy will run gingerly on Sunday to avoid injury - he probably is hoping and pushing for this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Judging by the Ajayi trade last year I think McCoy could garner a 3rd from Philly. I am on the fence about taking the deal if that is the return. I would probably leave it up to McCoy. He might want to go home to chase that ring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3u751k Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Virgil said: You have to think long term. Is Shady part of our the full rebuild? I doubt it. If you can get multiple mid level picks, you have to take it. I don't care about "the rebuild", that's code for "we suck right now and hope we get handed a star". I don't care how you build your team, you could have all the talent and and 1st round picks and still not put out terrible games. I want to win. I want to win now. I'm not waiting year after year. That is lazy and it never works, does it? or we wouldn't be talking about another playoff drought. It's the coaching we need, we need our coaches to get things tight on their ends. Players are plug and play, anybody could come in with the right coaches and get a team on productive practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 50 minutes ago, MJS said: You really believe McCoy has that much value? The Bills will be lucky, very lucky, to get just a 3rd for him. I think this thread is one big swing and a miss. You might be right but I can't imagine the Bills would trade him for that. I'd take a 3rd and Foles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Our running game could pick up, Shady could actually be utilized properly, Allen could get into a groove. Alot can happen. We are 2-3, not 0-5. We are very much in it. Nooo! Please not another 8-8 year. Just not this one time. Look good, grow, identify areas unable to grow into the role and then replace. 2019 - do our best with our good D and very young O and onward from there always forward and never straight. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, sleeby said: Nooo! Please not another 8-8 year. Just not this one time. Look good, grow, identify areas unable to grow into the role and then replace. 2019 - do our best with our good D and very young O and onward from there always forward and never straight. ? You don't build a culture by picking top 5 every year, I'm hoping we can sneak into the playoffs while developing our younger players. The nuclei is there, best way to develop Allen and Edmunds is by winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said: I only see 4 wins left on schedule. Colts Jets at Home Lions Dolphins at Home Who else are they beating? I think they probably lose to Lions without McCoy. Toss up either way. It just depends on the defense. If they keep the pace they have we could steal a couple more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Judging by the Ajayi trade last year I think McCoy could garner a 3rd from Philly. I am on the fence about taking the deal if that is the return. I would probably leave it up to McCoy. He might want to go home to chase that ring. Why. They are running an nfl team not a search firm. Edited October 10, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichVP Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 To me, if we get a second and third, we should jump at it. Even if we send a 6th or 7th round pick with shady. With the lawsuit and possible other drama and accusations off the field there is no telling if or when that becomes substantial enough to warrant a suspension let alone hurting his image and play while dealing with it. And if he never regains his form from last year he'll never command this price tag again (He doesn't now unless a team is desperate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, HT02 said: I like the idea of trading McCoy for Foles and a second round pick. Start Foles let Allen play behind him Well, forget it. Foles nearly retired last year and only changed his mind to work with the Coach. He wouldn’t accept the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, nedboy7 said: I like your take usually. So let me ask you. How’s kyle or Lorax part of the long term build? Part of the long term is giving Allen some tools to learn with. Otherwise he is learning to loose IMO. They don’t. They are on small, low paying deals. They are fill in and transition. Kyle is for culture and Lorax isn’t getting paid much. In two years when the rebuild is done, neither will be here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said: I get the logic. But the fact that so many fans are seemingly WANTING to get rid of our No. 1 offensive talent for future picks IS kinda crazy. I'd be on board for an exchange of a legit WR and an above average offensive lineman. McCoy is still one of the greats in this game. This team will be unwatchable without him or some other talent. Trading him away for only unsure draft picks is a huge gamble. Keeping him is not. I'd trade him heads up for Nick "Buffalo Shuffe" Foles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Why. They are running an nfl team not a search firm. Why? Because if you trade him I feel it sends a very tanking message. Whereas if it has McCoys blessing you can spin it as “doing right by the player”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I cannot believe people are actually still writing "well if they offer a 2nd and a 3rd".......I have never witnessed such delusion in my lifetime.......ONE 3rd at most would be a miracle 53 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Shady could actually be utilized properly, Allen could get into a groove. Alot can happen. We are 2-3, not 0-5. We are very much in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: I doubt it. Their division is garbage and a team coming off a SB victory is very unlikely to throw in the towel early. I think people are really underestimating that team. Wentz is not even close to 100%. Doug Pederson will get that thing going IMO. 2-4 after week six is not early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, TheBeaneBandit said: I cannot believe people are actually still writing "well if they offer a 2nd and a 3rd".......I have never witnessed such delusion in my lifetime.......ONE 3rd at most would be a miracle What does your post have to do with me? I'd trade him absolutely for that price and I agree it will never happen. Why are people saying that? Go back and read the thread title, there's your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If Shady lights it up on Sunday makes the Eagles think about the 2 picks but also makes us feel like we should keep him. Its a no win deal.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, BillsSbSoon said: Not sure about that. They might make a move even quicker if they lose tomorrow Nfc east isnt that good right now. 9-7 could win that division coming off a super bowl win, the goal is not to finish 9-7 and be one and done in the playoffs. Its a different mindset than making one playoff game appearance in 17 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin1778 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: I cannot believe people are actually still writing "well if they offer a 2nd and a 3rd".......I have never witnessed such delusion in my lifetime.......ONE 3rd at most would be a miracle A 3rd is EXACTLY what he is worth. It would be a 4th or 5th but the Eagles are a little desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: You don't build a culture by picking top 5 every year, I'm hoping we can sneak into the playoffs while developing our younger players Picking top 5 every year? We've picked in the top five like twice since Bruce smith in 1985. And playoffs? You got one of the good scripts! Lucky! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: What does your post have to do with me? I'd trade him absolutely for that price and I agree it will never happen. Why are people saying that? Go back and read the thread title, there's your answer. Sorry i hit reply to topic and it included your comment for some reason. My bad, sort of lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Why? Because if you trade him I feel it sends a very tanking message. Whereas if it has McCoys blessing you can spin it as “doing right by the player”. How about doing right by the team? Don’t think they care about whether he wants to be in Philly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said: A 3rd is EXACTLY what he is worth. It would be a 4th or 5th but the Eagles are a little desperate. ...that's about it......Roseman is pretty shrewd and will covet their two 2nds.....and despite all of the probable "blue chip prospects in the 2019 6th or 7th", adding a pick from there means ZERO........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said: A 3rd is EXACTLY what he is worth. It would be a 4th or 5th but the Eagles are a little desperate. I love the conjecture about what he's worth. Right now we're paying him 8.95 mil against the cap, what's a 3rd round pick in comparison to his actual financial value? Point is, what he's "worth" is subjective and completely up to Beane and McD in reality. If they think Shady is worth more to this team than a 3rd round pick only then he isn't worth a 3rd round pick - it's also likely why we asked for a 2nd and a 3rd for reasons beyond just throwing a starting offer out there to work with. Doing so also indicates that he's a guy the Bills value and need on offense, not to mention he was just promoted to Captain. Shady is worth more than just a 3rd, and no way the trade gets done for a 2nd and a 3rd. The most likely trade scenario the eagles would accept however, is for a 3rd round pick, but that isn't necessarily what he's "worth." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 19 hours ago, swnybillsfan said: this sounds about right. i think we really like shady as an organization. and if you want him, you are going to have to pay for him. having said that...McCoy is a pa guy, and i believe playing for the Eagles meant more to him than a paycheck. so if he wanted to go back home to finish his career, possibly win a championship, and walk into the HoF as an Eagle...i would be fine with trading him. Good post. If he wants to go ? then make the deal. and try to make Philly pay through the nose ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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