RichVP

I'm curious how Chubb lands all his body weight on Wilson two drives in a row and nothings called. Including on that fumble one.

I don't know if this is a nerves thing. To me the Bills in the post season and in the regular season played completely differently. During the regular season they were very active, loose, and just overall not scared of anything but stayed short of self harm. During the post season it seemed like the whole team from coaches to players were very tight. They seemed scared of making that major mistake so much that the play calls were conservative and the players reflected that with what looked to be very tentative and conservative play. It just wasn't the same team that ended the season with the #2 seed. I think that will change next year with having this experience.

I agree. I feel we should have run it twice from the 4 at the end of the half and ran it on the 2 point. The mugging on the receivers allowed the blitz to get there consistently. The only way to get them to stop blitzing is getting some chunk plays in the run.

I thought today was the day to do the same run heavy power look we did early in the year, granted it was only for one or two games. Moss out or not. It seemed like we let the Chiefs dictate the play too much.

It looked like Poyer knocked White out of the play. We keep seeing players try to get a good hit and end up hitting their teammate with friendly fire. That time it didn't get anyone injured but the friendly fire cost us the game. If white was unobstructed he had a much better chance of breaking that up.

I agree. Even when it came to the throw away turned into a sack. It was obvious his knee was down but by their standards, it was not obvious from that angle the ball was still in his hands. I think both the Diggs touchdown, and the Allen Sack were the right calls but this was clearly simultaneous catch which is supposed to go to the offensive player. It may not have been clear who had control to say Kroft caught it but it was a clear simultaneous catch.

The call was horrible. The fact it was upheld was horrible. I believe it comes from the inconsistency of the replay standard of evidence. It was generally accepted that most of these close calls you err on the side of a score or turnover because it gives you an automatic chance to review and give the correct call. Then the standard for "clear and obvious" has shifted over the years and egregiously so this year so far. They've conditioned the refs to go with the call that gives a replay so you could get it right, then took away the ability to get it right with a centralized booth review from NY with an extreme standard for evidence.

I think the loss to the pats was in all 3 phases of the game. Not just on offense. If our rushing defense held, or some of the short passing game was prevented, or we didn't have so may long fields and given the Pat's* so many short ones, we would have won that game. I also think that if the Bills have won the game things would have happened differently today. The Pat's* may have had more incentive with the Division and the Bye week in play still and may have had more focus after a loss to the Bills. Conversely the Bill's playing today with the division title on the line may have had serious injuries to various starters. It's a whole what if game that seems silly. I'm happy where the Bill's are, in the play offs, about to play the Texans next week, which is probably their best match up. I'm also happy with the Pat's* losing and missing out on a Bye week as they need that for any hope of getting healthy and making a run for another super bowl. I'll enjoy that instead of what if's and blame game for a Bill's team that outside of western New York was seen as an after thought this year.

I count 5 Redskins games, but interesting that this game was the highest rated.

It's been nice to watch and not be just dreading the inevitable. This team isn't typically beating itself and that's nice to watch.

I like that this was just another click bait title that users are giving their own answer for. I feel I'm getting more out of it.

Growing up I watched a few games but never followed a team. Liked the 49ers and Bucs but mainly because I liked the color red and I was a kid. After 9th grade or so I never watched or followed football until I started college at RIT. I was placed into a room with two hard core Bills fans. I watched a game with them. I remember Losman connecting with Evans blowing the top off a defense a few times in the game and the Bills won after they were not winning recently that season. I think it was the 2007 season. After that my roommates forced me to watch every game with them in hopes they'd keep winning. Since then I have been a Bills fan. Because I was forced to be. -Rich

I guess the name Ice bowl isn't enough substance to reference the packers... I started posting, rarely, after Ice joined and never needed context to know they were a packers fan. The name gave it away though I've always enjoyed the topics that are started.

He seemed out of sync until the last couple drives. He started connecting with Benjamin on longer throws that unfortunately were called back. Leading to punts anyway. The pre snap penalties needed to end weeks ago. I'm more concerned with how they are still happening than a Josh Allen cover up.

To me, if we get a second and third, we should jump at it. Even if we send a 6th or 7th round pick with shady. With the lawsuit and possible other drama and accusations off the field there is no telling if or when that becomes substantial enough to warrant a suspension let alone hurting his image and play while dealing with it. And if he never regains his form from last year he'll never command this price tag again (He doesn't now unless a team is desperate).

I follow this site regularly. It is an amazing wealth of information. Not just specifically Bills related too. Regarding the Rex hire I mentioned to a fellow Bills fan prior to the interview or anything I've read here or heard on radio that we should follow Rex closely. We had too much talent on defense to not entice him and be a preferred landing spot. He was already linked with Greg Roman at that point. Regarding Darby I heard prediction of that prior to the pick from people other than Leroi so I don't buy he was the only one to predict that. Not giving a conclusion on Leroi. Just saying those rumors were not singular to Leroi. Very insightful posts at times and very direct. Nothing against him and I'm grateful for his contribution to this site. You can take our leave what he says as fact or fiction. Don't see a need to derail this thread to discuss Leroi. I'm curious if there's any sources confirming the OP's claim. I haven't found any.

It is related to the other discussions still active with Shwarts vs Ryan talk IN them.

This was well discussed IN previous threads several months ago.

Thank you. Very interesting and exactly what I wanted to see. I think if we fire anyone it should be Crossman and not Thurman.

I guess that sums that up well. Thanks!

I don't exactly know the numbers. I want to look them up but I'm at work for a while longer. In the three losses the special teams have hurt the team tremendously. I don't disagree with other threads and other issues brought up but there was a large discrepancy in field position yesterday and did no favors to the offense or the defense. Missed tackles, rampant penalties, and missed field goals or extra points have consistently hurt this team in its three losses. In its three wins special teams were solid but still not as good as last year. We can't consistently ask our offense to drive 80+ yards or ask our defense to consistently defend 50 or less yards. Thoughts? Anyone able to see the average start positions in Losses vs. Wins? Didn't see a thread dedicated to special teams and felt it was warranted. If mods think otherwise do what you do. -RichVP

This doesn't take into account the qbs or which of these receivers also were double covered for most snaps. Interesting info though. Thanks for compiling.

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Not at all.

Just trying to stimulate discussion. I agree here. I trust in Whaley. I just remember anytime we went against the Jets I never felt intimidated by the cornerbacks behind Revis. Cromartie was good but I always thought he was overrated. When Revis left I was happy and no longer feared any of there DB's. I'm not sure the influence Rex had in those picks but during his tenure with the Jets not one DB has seemed to pan out. So it's at least a curiosity to me. I was aiming for something less talked about thus far since his hiring.