JerseyBills Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Andy Reid iand that supporting cast is phenomenal. Mahomes usually has easy , quick reads and has 3 elite pass catchers and an unbelievably creative scheme. Multiple times per game a 5 yard pass goes for huge yardage because of player skill and scheme. But he has tremendous potential. Look at Watson who had an unreal start and now is struggling a bit , it's to small a sample size right now to properly diagnose him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Avisan said: It's curious how certain... types of QBs never seem to get proper credit, yet so many Buffalo fans are convinced that Josh Allen is the white guy to lead us to the promised land Oh oops I meant the right* guy, silly autocorrect Was this necessary? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Avisan said: It's curious how certain... types of QBs never seem to get proper credit, yet so many Buffalo fans are convinced that Josh Allen is the white guy to lead us to the promised land Oh oops I meant the right* guy, silly autocorrect right, auto correct. not funny, at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisan Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Was this necessary? Absolutely This is a pretty consistent pattern with this fanbase (and other fanbases, too, I'm sure) and it will continue to get pointed out until people start confronting their implicit biases 2 minutes ago, no name said: right, auto correct. not funny, at all. It wasn't a joke Ya'll got some introspection to do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Steptide said: The second kc called and asked about the trade, McDermott should've instantly said no and taken Mahomes. He comes from the Andy Reid tree right? Didn't the light bulb maybe go off in McDermotts head? Andy wants this guy, maybe we should grab him. I'm smiling, I thought the same thing. The Chiefs weren't even looking for a QB at the time. Not only did they want to draft him, they were willing...and did...trade up for him. The other team that wanted him was NO, as the successor to Brees. 2 teams that understand what a good QB looks like wanted him. That's enough to at least say, "what do they know that we don't? " We're getting that answer now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Avisan said: Absolutely This is a pretty consistent pattern with this fanbase (and other fanbases, too, I'm sure) and it will continue to get pointed out until people start confronting their implicit biases It wasn't a joke Ya'll got some introspection to do You talking about all the guys who ride or die with Tyrod even after all the fails ? You might need to make a valid point next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: So far, Mahomes has been compared to Dak and Kaepernick. Interesting. What's funny is that the same posters predicting Mahomes demise are the ones promising Josh Allen will soon be leading us to many, many Superbowls. It's like some kind of bizzaro world where the worse you look, the better that portends for your long term prognosis. the comparison to Dak was the situation these guys walked into... I think Kaep walked into a really good offensive environment if I recall.. but I think the Kaep comparison is even more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderGun Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Is it wrong that I kinda hope he goes the route if Kap or RG 3 after this year? Not necessarily by injury, but as fan it would be hard to stomach this kind of sustained success when this team NEEDED a QB, he was just sitting there with no trade up required, and the front office/McD just said “Thanks, but we’re waiting til next year...” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Someone needs to be fired, eh? I'm surprised the "Fire Juan Castillo crowd" hasn't come in here to say that it's his fault. (Well, too be honest, I haven't read all of the pages in this thread, so apologies if they have.) Edited October 2, 2018 by Bad Things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 28 minutes ago, Avisan said: Absolutely This is a pretty consistent pattern with this fanbase (and other fanbases, too, I'm sure) and it will continue to get pointed out until people start confronting their implicit biases It wasn't a joke Ya'll got some introspection to do my head is pretty clear. just as what you posted was clear. so maybe you should follow your own advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: I checked out the analysis from YPP posted here. Perhaps you came to a different conclusion, but it wasn’t exactly kind to Allen’s performance. An Allen hater will see the flaws. I saw a QB running for his life most of the time. I can imagine on the plays where Allen did have time he was jumpy. This is the flaw in starting a QB too early. He's not learning anything. It's like training a dog by constantly beating it. It only learns fear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: An Allen hater will see the flaws. I saw a QB running for his life most of the time. I can imagine on the plays where Allen did have time he was jumpy. This is the flaw in starting a QB too early. He's not learning anything. It's like training a dog by constantly beating it. It only learns fear. JOSH ALLEN HAS NOT EARNED THE RIGHT TO HAVE "HATERS." One needs to accomplish something before his detractors can appropriately be deemed "haters." There's a bunch of fans who don't think he's an NFL quarterback. This Allen apology tour is like 6 months old and already past it's prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Avisan said: It's curious how certain... types of QBs never seem to get proper credit, yet so many Buffalo fans are convinced that Josh Allen is the white guy to lead us to the promised land Oh oops I meant the right* guy, silly autocorrect This is the worst post of 2018. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 16 hours ago, Klaista2k said: Seriously how the !@#$ did we not take this guy? This guy is !@#$ing sensational and might be the best quarterback in the league for YEARS to come. Not taking him is absolutely inexcusable and someone needs to be fired for this epic mistake. Maybe we should fire the GM that was here at the time - Doug Whaley - wait, never mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, ChevyVanMiller said: Maybe we should fire the GM that was here at the time - Doug Whaley - wait, never mind. From what I understand he was the GM but didn't really have control of the draft. McDermott was running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 16 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He plays nothing like RG3 did in his rookie season so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make besides throwing shade out of some sense of envy. I’m saying let’s see how durable he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 3 hours ago, iinii said: Not only did Mahomes sit for a year but he also has weapons. This isn’t even apples to oranges. Some would have you believe Brady would have five rings if he was in Cleveland. ...not to mention he has Andy with all of his faults....sure he gets the "playoffs rash" but ain't too bad getting there..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: An Allen hater will see the flaws. I saw a QB running for his life most of the time. I can imagine on the plays where Allen did have time he was jumpy. This is the flaw in starting a QB too early. He's not learning anything. It's like training a dog by constantly beating it. It only learns fear. I'm very optimistic but there's no excuse for the way Allen performed. He was playing in Lambeau in his 3rd career start, got hit and pressured early and the kid got rattled . Phantom pressure, leaving Pocket early , but THATS OK GUYS! It was going to happen sooner or later . This game can only make Josh better if I'm reading him correctly. I think we see a big time resurgence from the O on Sun , personally. Young team went on 2nd straight Rd game and got spanked. ITS OK! It happens . It's all about how we respond and I expect a big response from this O Sun in front of their fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 39 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: From what I understand he was the GM but didn't really have control of the draft. McDermott was running the show. McD is not a GM then or now...again its irrelevant from the point of this thread where its to fire someone, which would be a the GM who makes the final call. 2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: JOSH ALLEN HAS NOT EARNED THE RIGHT TO HAVE "HATERS." One needs to accomplish something before his detractors can appropriately be deemed "haters." There's a bunch of fans who don't think he's an NFL quarterback. This Allen apology tour is like 6 months old and already past it's prime. The ALLEN BUST tour started on draft night before he stepped on a field and its past its prime. Kettle meet Pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I’m saying let’s see how durable he is. I think we have enough to worry about regarding Allen's durability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: An Allen hater will see the flaws. I saw a QB running for his life most of the time. I can imagine on the plays where Allen did have time he was jumpy. This is the flaw in starting a QB too early. He's not learning anything. It's like training a dog by constantly beating it. It only learns fear. Im honestly not sure if a qb can be ruined or not. I go back and forth on it. That said, this is an EXCELLENT example of an argument for ruining. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Anyone deciding Allens future today is a f-ing moron. We dont know how good or bad he will be...what we DO KNOW at this EXACT moment is that he could be Great, even one of the best...or a total bust. In other words, we dont know anything, and to pretend you know one way or the other and piss and moan about your opinion to no end is utterly pointless. The kid has insane potential, and if he reaches it he will be one of the best in the NFL for the next 15 years. If he doesn't, he will join the pile of insanely gifted prospects who for whatever reason never panned out in the NFL and had disappointing or failed careers. But to decide which of those paths now is utterly STUPID. I dont care what side of the fence you are on, to make final declarations about ANY player after 3 starts is utterly stupid. There were idiots calling Steve Young a bust in Tampa Bay on a putrid team. Now he is easily top 10, and IMO top 5 QB all time after going to team with actual talent on it. Just like how Vince Young, RG3, Culpepper, Kaepernick, Dak, etc were all the next KINGS of the NFL because of a little early success and ended up all scrubs, out of the league, or currently struggling right now (Dak). Again, you arm chair GM's cant even play the Hindsight 20/20 game correctly because you jump on concrete conclusions on small sample sizes that often all get proven wrong as time goes on. This board is unbearable right now. The lack of logic, reason and common sense around here is at an all time high. And that is saying a LOT. Edited October 2, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Don't worry, if Allen busts and/or they can't build a team around him, there will be firings. It won't have a thing to do about Mahomes. For the record............... I was gushing over Mahomes on BBMB, but most told me he wasn't NFL starting material. So far, he is proving to be that. But the process is still going on. Just because Mahomes is starting out RED HOT doesn't mean that he will finish that way. It looks great now, but who knows what the future holds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtu100 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said: So we could have resigned Robert Woods in March if 2017, draft Mahomes in 2017 draft, kept Sammy, kept Glenn because we don’t need the draft pick to trade up to get Allen. So offense with Mahomes, Shady, Watkins, Woods, Clay. Glen and Dawkins anchoring the line, all sure sounds like something that might be ok, at least light years better then our current situation. This also would allowed us to still draft Edmunds and save the draft pick lost for KB. But yeah, we wouldnt have a good CB. This. So much this. Those who are comparing the current supporting casts and noting the Andy Reid influence are missing the point. The point is we could have drafted Mahomes with our regular pick, no trades. Instead we traded multiple starters to acquire the draft capital to trade up twice for Allen, and gutted our roster in the process. We could have drafted Mahomes without trading anything. Edited October 2, 2018 by gtu100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, gtu100 said: This. So much this. Those who are comparing the current supporting casts and noting the Andy Reid influence are missing the point. The point is we could have drafted Mahomes with our regular pick, no trades. Instead we traded multiple starters to acquire the draft capital to trade up twice for Allen, and gutted our roster in the process. We could have drafted Mahomes without trading anything. Must be nice to see the future. Can you tell me the next lotto numbers too? I could use the dough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Anyone deciding Allens future today is a f-ing moron. We dont know how good or bad he will be...what we DO KNOW at this EXACT moment is that he could be Great, even one of the best...or a total bust. In other words, we dont know anything, and to pretend you know one way or the other and piss and moan about your opinion to no end is utterly pointless. The kid has insane potential, and if he reaches it he will be one of the best in the NFL for the next 15 years. If he doesn't, he will join the pile of insanely gifted prospects who for whatever reason never panned out in the NFL and had disappointing or failed careers. But to decide which of those paths now is utterly STUPID. I dont care what side of the fence you are on, to make final declarations about ANY player after 3 starts is utterly stupid. There were idiots calling Steve Young a bust in Tampa Bay on a putrid team. Now he is easily top 10, and IMO top 5 QB all time after going to team with actual talent on it. Just like how Vince Young, RG3, Culpepper, Kaepernick, Dak, etc were all the next KINGS of the NFL because of a little early success and ended up all scrubs, out of the league, or currently struggling right now (Dak). Again, you arm chair GM's cant even play the Hindsight 20/20 game correctly because you jump on concrete conclusions on small sample sizes that often all get proven wrong as time goes on. This board is unbearable right now. The lack of logic, reason and common sense around here is at an all time high. And that is saying a LOT. Preach it reverend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 to think the saints where gonna take mahommes if lattimore was gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: This is the worst post of 2018. Hes a woke bae ??. With poor memory. He can’t recall the EJ backers who fought til the very end or the Church of Tyrod guys who still practiced after the 56 yard games ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtu100 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Must be nice to see the future. Can you tell me the next lotto numbers too? I could use the dough I don't see how your response discredits Billsflyer's point. Think of it like the housing market. You can use your equity to pay cash for a house now, or you can take out a loan because you think a better house will come on the market in a year, but then you are saddled with that debt. The debt is only worth it if you believe the second house to be far superior. If they are even roughly equivalent, use your equity to pay cash (use your own draft pick). It's the best analogy I could think of on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: This is the worst post of 2018. ...calm down...it's only Tuesday...we're JUST getting started...long week ahead with some great insight or incite............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Remember, Mahomes basically sat for an entire year. Allen does not have that luxury and he has NOTHING around him. Dawkins is probably the only keeper on the entire offensive roster, which is really bad for a young QB to learn on the job in the NFL. Allen is getting a HARD LESSON in the NFL right now, with ZERO talent around him and he has kinks in his game to iron out. Bad combo. Allen will have good days and bad days, regardless of the talent around him. Mahomes had training last year and was prepared to take the top QB spot in KC this year. Will it last? Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 most of the guys getting down on allen are probably young, it takes a while and a good supporting class for success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 The guys currently running things at OBD asked themselves which QB should start Week 1 in order to give us the best chance to win, and decided the answer was Nathan Peterman! What makes anyone think they have a clue about assessing QB talent? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, gtu100 said: I don't see how your response discredits Billsflyer's point. Think of it like the housing market. You can use your equity to pay cash for a house now, or you can take out a loan because you think a better house will come on the market in a year, but then you are saddled with that debt. The debt is only worth it if you believe the second house to be far superior. If they are even roughly equivalent, use your equity to pay cash (use your own draft pick). It's the best analogy I could think of on the spot. Because going into the draft, Mahomes was seen as a big of project and as raw as Allen. So to act like it was a no brainer NOW is pointless. Not to mention, people keep saying we could have had Mahomes, Sammy, Woods, Glenn, etc. Well the Bills CHOSE not to keep Sammy because they were never going to pay him his market price. So to even suggest we can have Sammy here and Mahomes is factually wrong. Same goes with Woods, who left in FA BEFORE the draft, so thats not a possible scenario either. And Glenn was getting traded regardless too, another incorrect statement. In fact, we would have still likely traded him to move up to still draft Edmunds...so again, pointless to pretend he would be here with Mahomes too. REALITY is had we drafted Mahomes, this offense would still look nearly as bad as it does now because most of the same stuff would have happened, especially given some happened BEFORE the draft even took place. So again, its a futile and pointless thing to say we could have had Mahomes and this or that, when most of the people they say we could have still had would not still be here. Edited October 2, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) The only logical response to Mahomes playing well for 4 games is to fire everyone, cut Allen, fire Daboll, cut all the WRs, trade McCoy and light a table on fire. Edited October 2, 2018 by pi2000 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 Still can't believe we traded the pick away for a once in a decade type of player. I swear to God I don't think team can ever do anything right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: Still can't believe we traded the pick away for a once in a decade type of player. I swear to God I don't think team can ever do anything right. So you knew for sure the day he was drafted this would be the outcome? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 19 hours ago, Klaista2k said: Seriously how the !@#$ did we not take this guy? This guy is !@#$ing sensational and might be the best quarterback in the league for YEARS to come. Not taking him is absolutely inexcusable and someone needs to be fired for this epic mistake. ok, you're fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Truly amazing how many fans posting here just KNOW Mahomes is going to be a star. Edited October 2, 2018 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, joesixpack said: So you knew for sure the day he was drafted this would be the outcome? I’m still trying to get over the once in a decade thing comical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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