GoodHands15 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Everyone has their options on the QB’s. Who should start. That’s all fine and dandy. But can we all agree that watching Josh Allen rip the football is just a very nice thing to see. I mean. I feel like, just over two games. You could compile Josh Allen highlights and prescribe it as anti-depressants. No matter how much you want NP to start. I feel like Josh Allen highlight throws. (Especially deep outs) should make us all warm and fuzzy inside. Can we agree on that? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 They are very pretty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said: Everyone has their options on the QB’s. Who should start. That’s all fine and dandy. But can we all agree that watching Josh Allen rip the football is just a very nice thing to see. I mean. I feel like, just over two games. You could compile Josh Allen highlights and prescribe it as anti-depressants. No matter how much you want NP to start. I feel like Josh Allen highlight throws. (Especially deep outs) should make us all warm and fuzzy inside. Can we agree on that? Besides Saviorpeterman, who badly wants Peterman to start? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Besides Saviorpeterman, who badly wants Peterman to start? Nate Peterman. Maybe they are the same? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Maybe, more Importantly, we can all agree that Josh Allen seems to be making progress in his overall development? Whether this means that he is the starter on opening day, who knows, but at least there is support for the optimism that he really has the potential to develop into a quality starting QB (or better) for the Bills. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I don't agree to that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodHands15 Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: I don't agree to that... Awe man how come? 26 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Besides Saviorpeterman, who badly wants Peterman to start? His mother would also fall into this category. Any siblings or relatives. The Baltimore Ravens. Joey Bosa. Theres like 3 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 It’s incredible seeing how hot those balls come in and how far he can throw it. Between Cam, Mahomes, Allen and Stafford on best arm in the league. I think Allen has them beat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said: Awe man how come? Only a Sith speaks in absolutes... 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 43 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Besides Saviorpeterman, who badly wants Peterman to start? BullBuchannon has been trying to have a baby with NP as badly as SaviorPeterman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodHands15 Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: It’s incredible seeing how hot those balls come in and how far he can throw it. Between Cam, Mahomes, Allen and Stafford on best arm in the league. I think Allen has them beat. Yup now we just need consistency. Been very nice to see NP with a high completion percentage. He’s an adequate backup option. But JA is just a nightmare to contain. Very cool to see Gregg Williams force him to throw short-mid and he was hitting short-mid taking what he had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: Only a Sith speaks in absolutes... Boom. Roasted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I've noticed that, too. It seems like anytime Josh Allen eyes a receiver that he is going to throw to, within 15 yds say, the time from when the ball leaves his hand until the time it reaches the receiver is almost instantaneous. It is truly a thing of beauty. Nate's throws to the sideline, within 10 yds, seem to just hang in the air, just waiting to be turned into a pick 6. Just my observation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) The thing that gets me about Allen's throws is the crazy flat trajectory of them. Most QB's need to put a bit of arc or loft on the ball to get it down the field over twenty yards. Allen's passes come out of his hand moving at Mach 2.3 and just travel in a straight line to the receiver. When I watch those passes it almost looks like an optical illusion. Sometimes the ball gets there so quickly that the DB, who is in good position to defend the pass, doesn't even have a chance to make a play on the ball. It's like Allen handed off the ball to the receiver twenty yards down the field. Inconceivable! Edited August 20, 2018 by Inigo Montoya 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boludo Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 yes everybody is excited about josh allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 50 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said: Awe man how come? His mother would also fall into this category. Any siblings or relatives. The Baltimore Ravens. Joey Bosa. Theres like 3 more. Sean McDermott, Brian Daboll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: The thing that gets me about Allen's throws is the crazy flat trajectory of them. Most QB's need to put a bit of arc or loft on the ball to get it down the field over twenty yards. Allen's passes come out of his hand moving at Mach 2.3 and just travel in a straight line to the receiver. When I watch those passes it almost looks like an optical illusion. Sometimes the ball gets there so quickly that the DB, who is in good position to defend the pass, doesn't even have a chance to make a play on the ball. It's like Allen handed off the ball to the receiver twenty yards down the field. Inconceivable... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 46 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: I've noticed that, too. It seems like anytime Josh Allen eyes a receiver that he is going to throw to, within 15 yds say, the time from when the ball leaves his hand until the time it reaches the receiver is almost instantaneous. It is truly a thing of beauty. Nate's throws to the sideline, within 10 yds, seem to just hang in the air, just waiting to be turned into a pick 6. Just my observation. While at camp this was obvious to me as well. They would have drills where two QBs drop back at the same time release the ball at the same time and Joshs ball is a clear step ahead. Allen's arm is a breath of fresh air BUT.. The reason I would like to wait to start him is to see what the supporting cast looks like going up against Baltimore, Minnesota, and the LA Chargers. Then he is only started after it is clear that peterman is not a franchise QB against those A+ Ds, shielding Allen from some early bumps and bruises and lowering expectations for the offense to a floor. If peterman Balls there is no reason to rush Allen out there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 No one wants Peterman to start... unless thhey hate the chance to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: Only a Sith speaks in absolutes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Superior arm strength is nice but not in the top 3 QB needs. Intelligence, accuracy, poise, leadership, pocket awareness, and athleticism are also on the list with arm strength about in the middle. The issue with NP is he doesn't even have an average arm. He can't play in the NFL with his arm just like Losman couldn't play with his lack of intelligence. Can he be a suitable back-up and execute a run heavy dink and dunk offense for a game or two? For sure. But that is not sustainable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I never wanted and will never want to watch Peterman play a game for this team. I'm seeing more and more of these posts about these Nathan Peterman people, yet I never see them anymore. That said, the new guy who hasn't failed you yet is always more popular than the guy who has. A lot of you had Watkins being replaced by Zay, and Tyrod by Peterman. And you idiots who believed that, don't have to own it, but you did and you were wrong. But anyways, I do think Allen should play. I wasn't big on the pick, but he has shown that potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) I like Buffalover4life 's position, Let Peterman go the first few weeks. Let Allen learn the nuts and bolts process of how an NFL game week / game day works. Let him see how Daboll installs a game plan for the upcoming game. Give him a chance to see how the offense breaks down film on the opposing defense. Let him see all the hoopla of opening weekend on the road and the spectacle of a few real NFL games before you ask him to go out there and run the offense. Give him a few weeks to get used to all that and then ease him in week four. That also gets him past three meat grinder defenses. I don't think anyone wants to see Peterman / Chargers Part II for Allen. We need to do everything we can to maximize his chance of being a long term successful quarterback. If it turns out that our O-Line is a turnstile, do you really want him out there at all until the O Line has a few games to gel and get their act together? If holding Allen back and starting Peterman means losing the first three games of the season to set Allen up for future success, I'm ok with that. We've been waiting twenty years for a franchise QB in Buffalo, I can wait three more games. Other's may disagree, but that's my opinion. I'm not in the Peterman camp, I personally think Allen is better, but I am in the camp of giving Allen the best shot to be successful and I think that means easing him into the starting lineup this season. Edited August 20, 2018 by Inigo Montoya 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: BullBuchannon has been trying to have a baby with NP as badly as SaviorPeterman When you can't even spell my name correctly, when you can see it right there, it should give folks a lot of pause about your ability to break down any more complicated subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 3 hours ago, billsfan11 said: Besides Saviorpeterman, who badly wants Peterman to start? BurpleBull and BullBuchanon, too... but all 3 are probably just the same poster... So good point! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) The kid has amazing arm talent and he's really fun to watch. It's too bad it's never translated into wins at any point in his career. He should be great in fantasy though, just like Jay Cutler. Edited August 20, 2018 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) NOBODY wants or believes Peterman will be the Bills franchise quarterback, NOBODY!!! Plenty want him to start the season just so we are not risking Josh Allen's health behind an untested offensive line. Many believe Peterman is good enough to be the Bills long term backup QB behind Josh Allen (myself included). Edited August 20, 2018 by cd1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, cd1 said: NOBODY wants or believes Peterman will be the Bills franchise quarterback, NOBODY!!! Plenty want him to start the season just so we are not risking Josh Allen's health behind an untested offensive line. Many believe Peterman is good enough to be the Bills long term backup QB behind Josh Allen (myself included). Drew Brees and Tom Brady say, "sup?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 He leaves me wanting more. I don’t like to be teased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I like Buffalover4life 's position, Let Peterman go the first few weeks. Let Allen learn the nuts and bolts process of how an NFL game week / game day works. Let him see how Daboll installs a game plan for the upcoming game. Give him a chance to see how the offense breaks down film on the opposing defense. Let him see all the hoopla of opening weekend on the road and the spectacle of a few real NFL games before you ask him to go out there and run the offense. Give him a few weeks to get used to all that and then ease him in week four. That also gets him past three meat grinder defenses on the road. I don't think anyone wants to see Peterman / Chargers Part II for Allen. We need to do everything we can to maximize his chance of being a long term successful quarterback. If it turns out that our O-Line is a turnstile, do you really want him out there at all until the O Line has a few games to gel and get their act together? If holding Allen back and starting Peterman means losing the first three games of the season to set Allen up for future success, I'm ok with that. We've been waiting twenty years for a franchise QB in Buffalo, I can wait three more games. Other's may disagree, but that's my opinion. I'm not in the Peterman camp, I personally think Allen is better, but I am in the camp of giving Allen the best shot to be successful and I think that means easing him into the starting lineup this season. Respectfully, high tide raises all ships and steel sharpens steel. It's why the potential pick six on the out pattern with Peterman turns into a 8 yard completion and a second and two for Allen. It's why 3 sacks and or a pick for Peterman behind this offensive line turns into 1 sack, 1 scramble for 5-7 yards and a 3 yard td pass for Allen. Allen has to play a bit smarter to avoid taking some hits, but he is our best chance to win and he is showing the ability to make his teammates, oline and receivers alike, look better. Secondly, I don't love the idea on planning on softies in the schedule because that changes rather quickly in this League. If he is the best, or as the saying goes "first I will be the best and then I will be first", then get him in there and let him see on the field what it is like to play a good or anticipated good defense. I for one think it will make him better and sharper in the long run. Edited August 20, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: BurpleBull and BullBuchanon, too... but all 3 are probably just the same poster... So good point! You really are a piece of work !! For 3 years you busted our ? ? about EJ that it’s NOT enough time for the light switch to come on !!!! and blamed EVERYTHING and EVERYONE even the coaches ? ( remember ?? ) for not letting throw the ball on ? first downs , I could go on and on and on , If I only had a dollar for every thread you started about EJ , ????????⛴? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) @ Dollars to Donuts I think you have a good argument, there is definitely something to be said for trial by fire, but ultimately, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think you're right, Allen probably is our best chance to win, and if your #1 objective is to beat the Ravens, Chargers, and Vikings, then you should play Allen. If your #1 priority is to give Allen the best chance to succeed long term, then I would sit him for a few games and let the O line figure itself out first and let Allen get more of a feel for the pro game before you throw him in there. Edited August 20, 2018 by Inigo Montoya 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 6 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: It’s incredible seeing how hot those balls come in and how far he can throw it. I am more impressed by the small windows that he needs to complete passes. This from a kid who was labeled as, "inaccurate." I don't know if he will start immediately but I was thrilled when he was drafted and even more pleased today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 6 hours ago, GoodHands15 said: Everyone has their options on the QB’s. Who should start. That’s all fine and dandy. But can we all agree that watching Josh Allen rip the football is just a very nice thing to see. I mean. I feel like, just over two games. You could compile Josh Allen highlights and prescribe it as anti-depressants. No matter how much you want NP to start. I feel like Josh Allen highlight throws. (Especially deep outs) should make us all warm and fuzzy inside. Can we agree on that? I think it's more about wanting the guy who gives us the best chance to win starting. In my opinion the jury is still out. And to those who will inevitably bring it up. I could give a rats a$$ about one game in a guys rookie season. Yes it is great and he definitely is the future (I wanted him from the beginning) and maybe the now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 6 hours ago, GoodHands15 said: Everyone has their options on the QB’s. Who should start. That’s all fine and dandy. But can we all agree that watching Josh Allen rip the football is just a very nice thing to see. I mean. I feel like, just over two games. You could compile Josh Allen highlights and prescribe it as anti-depressants. No matter how much you want NP to start. I feel like Josh Allen highlight throws. (Especially deep outs) should make us all warm and fuzzy inside. Can we agree on that? Actually...... I think “ it “ moved when he threw that last touchdown ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said: @ Dollars to Donuts I think you have a good argument, there is definitely something to be said for trial by fire, but ultimately, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think you're right, Allen probably is our best chance to win, and if your #1 objective is to beat the Ravens, Chargers, and Vikings, then you should play Allen. If your #1 priority is to give Allen the best chance to succeed long term, then I would sit him for a few games and let the O line figure itself out first and let Allen get more of a feel for the pro game before you throw him in there. I think preseason game 3 is against Cincinnati not Baltimore. I'd like to see him start that game first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 6 hours ago, GoodHands15 said: Everyone has their options on the QB’s. Who should start. That’s all fine and dandy. But can we all agree that watching Josh Allen rip the football is just a very nice thing to see. I mean. I feel like, just over two games. You could compile Josh Allen highlights and prescribe it as anti-depressants. No matter how much you want NP to start. I feel like Josh Allen highlight throws. (Especially deep outs) should make us all warm and fuzzy inside. Can we agree on that? Nope, warm and fuzzy absolutely not......but I did feel movement....um.....you know. (Seinfeld reference) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: A lot of you had Watkins being replaced by Zay, and Tyrod by Peterman. And you idiots who believed that, don't have to own it, but you did and you were wrong. Turns out that the ones who thought that the Watkins trade was a good one were much brighter regarding the trade than those who didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said: @ Dollars to Donuts I think you have a good argument, there is definitely something to be said for trial by fire, but ultimately, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think you're right, Allen probably is our best chance to win, and if your #1 objective is to beat the Ravens, Chargers, and Vikings, then you should play Allen. If your #1 priority is to give Allen the best chance to succeed long term, then I would sit him for a few games and let the O line figure itself out first and let Allen get more of a feel for the pro game before you throw him in there. I go with the winning, you know "its hard to win in the NFL." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: A lot of you had Watkins being replaced by Zay, and Tyrod by Peterman. And you idiots who believed that, don't have to own it, but you did and you were wrong. In a good mood are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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