Cover1 breaks down Allen's last drive against the Panthers

[HappyDays]

 

Something else I notice in this film is Wyatt Teller abusing the d-linemen. He looks like a future starter.

[whatdrought]

Poise. That's the word that this brings to mind. 

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Poise. That's the word that this brings to mind. 

 

The TD throw was even more impressive than I thought. He recognized the coverage, froze the CB with a pump fake, and delivered the ball to the best possible spot where his receiver wouldn't get blown up by the safety. McCloud did a really nice job with the route too. And these are rookies in their first ever NFL action...

[aceman_16]

Just outstanding!

[fansince88]

Just as fun as watching it live.

[Luka]

He gives you goosebumps sometimes, with the way that ball leaves his hand. That TD I mean he absolutely rifled that ball. Crazy. I'd love to see him with a clean pocket. People are really overlooking his pocket presence. He's got guys tipping the ball out of his hand, guys all over his feet, in his face. Still making plays downfield.

[whatdrought]

I don't think anyone can watch that throw to Lee and honestly say that Allen is inaccurate. Inconsistant? Yes. Not inaccurate. 

[Augie]

I agree on Teller. I’d never heard of him before the draft, but the more I saw and read, the more encouraged I got. Fingers crossed! 

[Real McClappy]

4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I don't think anyone can watch that throw to Lee and honestly say that Allen is inaccurate. Inconsistant? Yes. Not inaccurate. 

I'm not sure what was more impressive the TD to Ray-Ray or the fade throw to Lee? Just gorgeous and refreshing to see a QB making a play and letting his WR make a play as well 1:1 covered.  

Allen and KB might be a match made in heaven with his size and catch radius.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Something else I notice in this film is Wyatt Teller abusing the d-linemen. He looks like a future starter.

Teller was great the other night. He mauled guys. 

[Charlottebillsfan2]

Nice breakdown. Really looking forward to this coming Friday. 

[Logic]

As always, Cover 1 does an excellent job with this video.

As someone who was an admitted "anyone but Allen!" guy, I can't deny that Josh Allen has absolutely other-worldy talent. Off the charts. The arm might be the strongest we've EVER seen in the NFL, and that's not an exaggeration.

But ya know what I REALLY like about Allen? He's fearless. He has absolutely 0% hesitation in him when he thinks he can make a throw. Now yes, that IS going to get him into trouble at times and cause some frustrating turnovers. But when he's right -- and make no mistake about it, his physical talent allows him to complete throws that he shouldn't even be ATTEMPTING -- it's a sight to behold. You can't teach guts and fearlessness at the QB position. You either have it or you don't. Allen has it.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Logic

[ganesh]

37 minutes ago, Luka said:

He gives you goosebumps sometimes, with the way that ball leaves his hand. That TD I mean he absolutely rifled that ball. Crazy. I'd love to see him with a clean pocket. People are really overlooking his pocket presence. He's got guys tipping the ball out of his hand, guys all over his feet, in his face. Still making plays downfield.

A  little Ben!!!

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

As always, Cover 1 does an excellent job with this video.

As someone who was an admitted "anyone but Allen!" guy, I can't deny that Josh Allen has absolutely other-worldy talent. Off the charts. The arm might be the strongest we've EVER seen in the NFL, and that's not an exaggeration.

But ya know what I REALLY like about Allen? He's fearless. He has absolutely 0% hesitation in him when he thinks he can make a throw. Now yes, that IS going to get him into trouble at times and cause some frustrating turnovers. But when he's right -- and make no mistake about it, his physical talent allows him to complete throws that he shouldn't even be ATTEMPTING -- it's a sight to behold. You can't teach guts and fearlessness at the QB position. You either have it or you don't. Allen has it.

Another trait of Big Ben!

[GoodHands15]

22 minutes ago, Logic said:

As always, Cover 1 does an excellent job with this video.

As someone who was an admitted "anyone but Allen!" guy, I absolutely can't deny that Josh Allen has absolutely otherworldy talent. Off the charts. The arm might be the strongest we've EVER seen in the NFL, and that's not an exaggeration.

But ya know what I REALLY like about Allen? He's fearless. He has absolutely 0% hesitation in him when he thinks he can make a throw. Now yes, that IS going to get him into trouble at times and cause some frustrating turnovers. But when he's right -- and make no mistake about it, his physical talent allows him to complete throws that he shouldn't even be ATTEMPTING -- it's a sight to behold. You can't teach guts and fearlessness at the QB position. You either have it or you don't. Allen has it.

100%

Transcendent success

begins with a complete and full disregard for the probability of failure.

 

Josh Allen took almost every snap as though he truely knew he had the chance to get chunk yardage every play, wherever the ball had to go, you see the confidence he has in knowing he can get it there....Also....I only really remember 1 play where he definitely left the pocket sooner than necessary, he seemed to have full faith that his linemen were going to keep guys off him...at least for the first second or two before the pocket actually broke down. Which I believe is huge. You need to have that trust before you can actually FOCUS on self correction within games and reps...at least IMO

 

 You notice he took the split second to set himself on that free play before he ripped it...something I’m not sure he would’ve done in Wyoming. Maybe I’m just that bias but...I’d like to think the footwork I’m seeing now is noticely different from most of the college film. Again that could just be me.

 

Edited August 13, 2018 by GoodHands15

[Capco]

This might be THE draft that really puts us over the hump for the next several years...

[BillsSbSoon]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

I don't think anyone can watch that throw to Lee and honestly say that Allen is inaccurate. Inconsistant? Yes. Not inaccurate. 

Its the same thoughts i had when watching his wyoming games. Hes not nearly as inaccurate as he was made out to be.

Besides that, this guy has one of the strongest arms ive ever seen. The way the ball leaves his hand is ridiculous. 

Im a gunslinger type of qb guy. But a controlled gunslinger. They are the most fun to watch imo. 

Edited August 13, 2018 by BillsSbSoon

[johnnychemo]

That pass to Lee was just sick! Scrambling, off balance, off one foot about 40 yards in the air and right in the bucket!

[NextYear'sTheOne]

I'm sure McD was not pleased at Foster when he stopped running on the free play. Did not help his stock. 

 

[sven233]

As someone that was very concerned about his base and footwork coming out of college, I have to say he has come a long way in a short amount of time.  I watched every one of his games this year in college and, while I knew enough that there was unlimited potential there, I didn't want to go that route because I saw just how far he had to go.  I didn't want the project even though I knew in the end he could be the best QB in the draft.

 

That said, while I haven't been to every single practice, I have seen him practice and have watched his half multiple times against Carolina watching nothing but his footwork at times and I came away surprised how much better his base looked.  And while he still has a ways to go, in my opinion, he is much further along at this point than I thought he could get to since his college season ended.  This shows me the guy works at it and takes coaching well which is very important.  While he will never lead the league in completion percentage, he has the ability to make plays from anywhere on the field.  That's something we haven't seen here in many years.  If the kid keeps working to become more consistent, I think we will all be very happy with the finished product.

Edited August 13, 2018 by sven233

[beerme1]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

As someone who was an admitted "anyone but Allen!" guy, I can't deny that Josh Allen has absolutely other-worldy talent. Off the charts. The arm might be the strongest we've EVER seen in the NFL, and that's not an exaggeration.

But ya know what I REALLY like about Allen? He's fearless. He has absolutely 0% hesitation in him when he thinks he can make a throw. Now yes, that IS going to get him into trouble at times and cause some frustrating turnovers. But when he's right -- and make no mistake about it, his physical talent allows him to complete throws that he shouldn't even be ATTEMPTING -- it's a sight to behold. You can't teach guts and fearlessness at the QB position. You either have it or you don't. Allen has it.

 

This is nice to see people eating crow already after only one half with the 3s. I say this as someone who openly loved that we picked Josh Allen. That arm man. That arm. So I'm glad to see that Bills fans that were against the pick and there were so many of you, it's good to know that at the end of teh day you're still Bills fans ands will root for this guy who may frustrate you one moment, and then amaze you the next. That arm man. That arm. 

 

 

23 minutes ago, NextYear'sTheOne said:

I'm sure McD was not pleased at Foster when he stopped running on the free play. Did not help his stock. 

 

 

Personally I would have released Foster after the game based on his play. Harsh yes but giving up on a play deserves harshness.

 

 

22 minutes ago, sven233 said:

As someone that was very concerned about his base and footwork coming out of college, I have to say he has come a long way in a short amount of time.  I watched every one of his games this year in college and, while I knew enough that there was unlimited potential there, I didn't want to go that route because I saw just how far he had to go.  I didn't want the project even though I knew in the end he could be the best QB in the draft.

 

That said, while I haven't been to every single practice, I have seen him practice and have watched his half multiple times against Carolina watching nothing but his footwork at times and I came away surprised how much better his base looked.  And while he still has a ways to go, in my opinion, he is much further along at this point than I thought he could get to since his college season ended.  This shows me the guy works at it and takes coaching well which is very important.  While he will never lead the league in completion percentage, he has the ability to make plays from anywhere on the field.  That's something we haven't seen here in many years.  If the kid keeps working to become more consistent, I think we will all be very happy with the finished product.

 

Hmm, more crow. I like that. But you have more history than most if you were really paying attention to him in college. So your comments are awesome to me! 

 

[Domdab99]

Great video. 

 

I particularly rly liked how, right before the TD, we saw how many rookies were on the field - yet still getting ready for the next play without a huddle. This is a well-coached team. And Allen has full control of the offense. 

 

So damn excited about this kid.

[transplantbillsfan]

Awesome video. Thanks for posting.

[PeteBills4ever]

Awesome throw for the TD, really powerful arm, I would be curious to see how fast he can throw a baseball!

[Doc]

I was also in the “anyone but Allen” camp prior to the draft.   When they drafted him, I was upset but I figured there’s nothing I can do but hope that he succeeds.  When I saw him at camp he seemed to have potential.  When I first read the stat line from the game, I said “not surprising.“  When I saw his play in the game however, I saw that four, maybe five, of his incompletions were because of drops, the wrong route being run, or the receiver giving up on the play, and another 2 were because he was under pressure almost immediately (although what he did on that 4th down play should never happen again). 

 

Beyond that I was glad to see that he looked in-command, could hit the short stuff (as that’s a problem with strong-armed quarterbacks), and that his scrambling ability adds another dimension.  That being said, he’s still got a lot to learn but hopefully he has time because NP and/or AJ are playing well. 

 

Edited August 13, 2018 by Doc

[The Process]

Here's to hoping that all Allen's points of concern are similar to Farve who was playing backyard ball early in his career. 

1 hour ago, PeteBills4ever said:

Awesome throw for the TD, really powerful arm, I would be curious to see how fast he can throw a baseball!

How'd you like to catch it? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Not sure why Cover1 accepts the read on the TD. That was a low % attempt. The coverage should have lead Allen to the middle of the field. Hopefully Bills coaches don't accept that read.

[SJDK]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Something else I notice in this film is Wyatt Teller abusing the d-linemen. He looks like a future starter.

I also agree about Teller, I told my wife that it’s rare that an offensive guard sticks out to me for something good. That guy looked impressive to me. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Not sure why Cover1 accepts the read on the TD. That was a low % attempt. The coverage should have lead Allen to the middle of the field. Hopefully Bills coaches don't accept that read.

 

I think Erik said that.  He said "this isn't really an open receiver" and comments on Proehl coming open over the middle.  That's not really the point, though.  Allen made a read, faked the corner, and threw a dart.  This is what should excite Bills fans and is something we haven't seen since Jim Kelly -- fearlessness combined with physical ability.

 

Once Allen is the starter -- whether that comes in W1 or later -- we will see some interceptions that are the result of his insane confidence in his arm.  Just like Kelly used to throw.  Here's the difference, even between Allen and Kelly.  Allen's arm is so good that the ball will get to the receiver so quickly it will be tough for a defender to anticipate.  The pressure Allen will put on all DBs is something I don't think a lot of people are really considering.  The Panthers had very good coverage on Ray-Ray for that play.  I think they saw the result and looked at each other like, "what were we supposed to do?"  That's exciting.

 

Yes, it was one play on one drive in a preseason game.  But it was very telling.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

18 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I think Erik said that.  He said "this isn't really an open receiver" and comments on Proehl coming open over the middle.  That's not really the point, though.  Allen made a read, faked the corner, and threw a dart.  This is what should excite Bills fans and is something we haven't seen since Jim Kelly -- fearlessness combined with physical ability.

 

Once Allen is the starter -- whether that comes in W1 or later -- we will see some interceptions that are the result of his insane confidence in his arm.  Just like Kelly used to throw.  Here's the difference, even between Allen and Kelly.  Allen's arm is so good that the ball will get to the receiver so quickly it will be tough for a defender to anticipate.  The pressure Allen will put on all DBs is something I don't think a lot of people are really considering.  The Panthers had very good coverage on Ray-Ray for that play.  I think they saw the result and looked at each other like, "what were we supposed to do?"  That's exciting.

 

Yes, it was one play on one drive in a preseason game.  But it was very telling.

I know Allen has rare talent. My biggest worries were mental. I thought he made too many poor decisions vs 3rd and 4th team vanilla defense. 

 

What I did love was his pocket movement. Showed poise in the pocket. His talent alone and pocket movement should be enough to make him a decent starter in this league, so that was a plus we saw in his 1st live action. Firing it between 3 defenders when it's not open and other players are open doesn't excite me. He did that more than once. 

 

 

Edited August 13, 2018 by TheTruthHurts

[eball]

Just now, TheTruthHurts said:

I know Allen has rare talent. My biggest worries were mental. I thought he made too many poor decisions vs 3rd and 4th team defense. 

 

What I did love was his pocket movement. Showed poise in the pocket. His talent alone and pocket movement should be enough to make him a decent starter in this league, so that was a plus we saw in his 1st live action. 

 

 

 

You really need to expound upon this.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, eball said:

 

You really need to expound upon this.

There were a couple other times he threw into coverage when down and distance said check down and take 5-10 yards. 

[eball]

Just now, TheTruthHurts said:

There were a couple other times he threw into coverage when down and distance said check down and take 5-10 yards. 

 

I'm really just trying to understand your comment.  So on 23 dropbacks you think Allen didn't appropriately check it down "a couple of times?"

 

I'm ok with that.  And on one of the plays I think you're referring to Proehl was clearly interfered with but it wasn't called.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I thought he made too many poor decisions vs 3rd and 4th team vanilla defense. 

 

 

How anyone could watch that and come away with THIS boggles the mind.

 

[Stank_Nasty]

32 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

There were a couple other times he threw into coverage when down and distance said check down and take 5-10 yards. 

I would argue that arm talent slightly dictates what should happen in those situations. 

 

His gift in that area is one of the primary reasons he was drafted so high. You wanna scrap that right off the get? 

 

In 3 years if he pans out and he’s making those “WOW” moments I can see you in the stands sitting there saying “ya but it was a risk and he shoulda taken the easy 5 instead of threading the needle on a 30 yd rope for 6”.... that sounds like fun. 

 

Im cool with it. It could be what separates him and the bills from the rest of the AFC.... or it could put him out of the league. But I think soon enough he’ll realize what he can and can’t do and adjust accordingly. Seems like a smart dude. 

Edited August 13, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[snamsnoops]

48 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

There were a couple other times he threw into coverage when down and distance said check down and take 5-10 yards. 

MEH, it's pre-season and what fun is checking down. It was a small sample size, but i like what i saw out of the kid!

[Victory Formation]

That TD pass was insane, absolutely insane, holy **** lol.

[wppete]

These cover1 guys make excellent videos. I started watching last week and they have amazing Buffalo Bills video breakdowns. Great stuff! 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

How anyone could watch that and come away with THIS boggles the mind.

 

Because it's true. If you get excited about him fitting it between defenders when the simple read was right in front of him then you're being biased. I don't want him to make that throw, I want him to recognize the wide open read based on the defense. 

24 minutes ago, snamsnoops said:

MEH, it's pre-season and what fun is checking down. It was a small sample size, but i like what i saw out of the kid!

I'm going to critique his play and strive for perfection. That was his 1st live action in the NFL. He won't be remembered for preseason week 1.

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, wppete said:

These cover1 guys make excellent videos. I started watching last week and they have amazing Buffalo Bills video breakdowns. Great stuff! 

Erik and his team do a great job. They are incredibly knowledgeable. The level of depth that they go to is past any Bills coverage I’ve ever seen from the media. The only other place that you can get that level of analysis is from some of the great posters here. We are blessed to have a handful of people that really dig in like that.

[MAJBobby]

3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Not sure why Cover1 accepts the read on the TD. That was a low % attempt. The coverage should have lead Allen to the middle of the field. Hopefully Bills coaches don't accept that read.

 

Because it was the right read. Clock running that is a half field read. Depending how that CB plays that two man route combo thats where the ball goes. 

 

Sorry that was the right read.