Bills' 2018 Training Camp Practice Day 10 - Closed to the Public

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

14 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

Thanks... I'll be back in a few....

 

Ol' Katy does have some bodacious knockers.

 

Too bad they're attached to one of the most annoying human beings to ever walk the face of the planet.

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

10 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

Ouch. That interception is all on Foster. 

Went to camp yesterday, saw him drop 3 straight passes that were all in his hands.  It is now mental with him.

Edited August 6, 2018 by Dablitzkrieg

[26CornerBlitz]

Kerley: "Separation is Big in this League" (4:25)

Bills WR Jeremy Kerley spoke to the media following practice at Bills training camp. Kerley discussed what the addition of Corey Coleman could do for the team and how the receiver group is working on getting separation on the field.

[teef]

28 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

Thanks... I'll be back in a few....

why show this during a work day?  i'm stuck here for a bit more.  maybe stuck was the wrong word.

13 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Ol' Katy does have some bodacious knockers.

 

Too bad they're attached to one of the most annoying human beings to ever walk the face of the planet.

 

that's why ball gags were invented.  

[OCinBuffalo]

22 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

Ouch. That interception is all on Foster. 

On the upside, isn't that Bush, with yet another pick? Pretty sure that he's been involved in 3 turnovers in the last 3 practices. If McDermott wants to play 3 safeties(Big Nickel)...perhaps he's got his man.

 

5 minutes ago, teef said:

that's why ball gags were invented.  

Oh man. Now you're in trouble. See, you're not allowed to make that joke, or any like it, anymore. Why? Because I said so, and I'm way more moral than you.

[BigBuff423]

45 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

As Brian Billick just said on the NFL Channel, if you draft a guy no. 7 overall, you play him. If you have to sit him because he's not ready yet, you made a bad pick. That's what I said when they first drafted Allen. 

 

Play him. Give him a strong running game and bring him along slowly, but PLAY HIM. If Joe Flacco started out of the gate as a No. 17 pick, if Russell Wilson played as a 3rd round draft pick, then Josh Allen better step up and be the starter on day 1.

 

Why start AJ or Petyerman if you're just going to go to Allen after game 4? So, what? You're hoping one of the other guys fails so Allen can get his shot? That's moronic. 

 

PLAY JOSH ALLEN and let's see what we've got. 

 

I will disagree. You don't simply start a player, regardless of position, due to their Draft status. IMO, you Draft a guy like Josh Allen believing unequivocally that he *will* be your franchise QB but all of the QBs have their warts. They built the Defense to win this year and the Offense is coming around, see Corey Coleman, but they're still building that side of the ball. So, let Peterman (if it's him) lead the Offense as it grows and let Josh learn the nuances of the NFL game, get Daboll's Offense down cold, and allow him to grow. 

 

Now, if Allen is the best of the 3, then you play him but that's because he's better than the other two, not simply to find out how fast your new hot rod can go....it has to be what's best for the team in both the short and the long run. 

[ColoradoBills]

32 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

As Brian Billick just said on the NFL Channel, if you draft a guy no. 7 overall, you play him. If you have to sit him because he's not ready yet, you made a bad pick. That's what I said when they first drafted Allen. 

 

Play him. Give him a strong running game and bring him along slowly, but PLAY HIM. If Joe Flacco started out of the gate as a No. 17 pick, if Russell Wilson played as a 3rd round draft pick, then Josh Allen better step up and be the starter on day 1.

 

Why start AJ or Petyerman if you're just going to go to Allen after game 4? So, what? You're hoping one of the other guys fails so Allen can get his shot? That's moronic. 

 

PLAY JOSH ALLEN and let's see what we've got. 

 

I seen the interview too.  I thought it was funny how he mentioned he "may" have screwed Kyle Boller up by starting him too soon.

How come nobody asked him "Do you think having Boller sit for a while could of made a difference in his career"?

 

I will admit I'm in the "wait at least 4 games before you start Allen" group and so far I see no problem with that.

 

Could it be that Billick (who spent his entire HC career in Baltimore) would rather have a rookie start the opening season game OR face AJM who

beat the Ravens in one of his few NFL starts?  I'm only kidding about this question but his reply had a bit of a "hot take" to it.

[Domdab99]

11 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I will disagree. You don't simply start a player, regardless of position, due to their Draft status. IMO, you Draft a guy like Josh Allen believing unequivocally that he *will* be your franchise QB but all of the QBs have their warts. They built the Defense to win this year and the Offense is coming around, see Corey Coleman, but they're still building that side of the ball. So, let Peterman (if it's him) lead the Offense as it grows and let Josh learn the nuances of the NFL game, get Daboll's Offense down cold, and allow him to grow. 

 

Now, if Allen is the best of the 3, then you play him but that's because he's better than the other two, not simply to find out how fast your new hot rod can go....it has to be what's best for the team in both the short and the long run. 

 

Again, I already said that you don't play him unless he's the best QB. I think after camp so far, it's pretty obvious he's the most talented QB we've got.

 

This isn't Patrick Mahomes sitting behind an Alex Smith. That, I get. But AJ or Peterman are not Alex Smith. 

 

************

 

 

11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I seen the interview too.  I thought it was funny how he mentioned he "may" have screwed Kyle Boller up by starting him too soon.

How come nobody asked him "Do you think having Boller sit for a while could of made a difference in his career"?

 

I will admit I'm in the "wait at least 4 games before you start Allen" group and so far I see no problem with that.

 

Could it be that Billick (who spent his entire HC career in Baltimore) would rather have a rookie start the opening season game OR face AJM who

beat the Ravens in one of his few NFL starts?  I'm only kidding about this question but his reply had a bit of a "hot take" to it.

 

I'm not going to defend Brian Billick's decision tree on Kyle Boller lol. 

 

But I don't get this mindset. You're basically saying, "screw this season, let's start AJ against some tough opponents, let him get his head beaten in, and then start Allen when the season is all but lost." So you're wanting AJ to fail? What happens if AJ starts the season and goes 4-0? I mean, I don't think that'll happen and it'd be an interesting problem to have, but what happens to your plan then? Do we extend AJ and give him more money and hope he's the 2nd coming of Ryan !@#$ing Fitzpatrick? Our future franchise QB is now the back-up? 

 

If he's ready, start Josh Allen. And by all reports, he's at least as ready as the other two guys. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by Domdab99

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

 

I'm not going to defend Brian Billick's decision tree on Kyle Boller lol. 

 

But I don't get this mindset. You're basically saying, "screw this season, let's start AJ against some tough opponents, let him get his head beaten in, and then start Allen when the season is all but lost." So you're wanting AJ to fail? What happens if AJ starts the season and goes 4-0? I mean, I don't think that'll happen and it'd be an interesting problem to have, but what happens to your plan then? Do we extend AJ and give him more money and hope he's the 2nd coming of Ryan !@#$ing Fitzpatrick? Our future franchise QB is now the back-up? 

 

If he's ready, start Josh Allen. And by all reports, he's at least as ready as the other two guys. 

 

I like your reply about Billick's decision tree!

 

As to my reasoning.  First I don't feel this way about every drafted QB.  I believe each rookie QB has a different scenario.  I will just talk about the Bills

and Josh Allen.  If it was Peyton Manning we were talking about I might have a different opinion.

 

Looking at JA's college career he is a late bloomer.  Junior College first, an injury losing him a year and only 2 years at Wyoming makes his exposure to

the position as far as preparing him for the NFL as raw.  My personal feelings about being a little more patient with his development has nothing to do

with the other QB's or even what the Bill's record will be.  I think the most important thing is to put JA in a position to succeed.

 

I like how they have him with the 3's for far.  He is working on fundamentals and learning the NFL game.  He will see a big increase in his first few

preseason games.  If he was named the starter he would immediately have to concern himself with "game planning" and other starter responsibilities.

This would hamper his foundation work.  It also gives him some experience by "seeing" what a starter has to do, game planning in the NFL,

 dissect after game film, etc a few weeks before he will have to do that on his own.

 

He can continue to work on these skills as the #2 and without "starter" pressure just take in the first games of an NFL season.  Heck, his home games in

Wyoming had less than 30,000 fans in the stands.  This action alone doubles the time he has to acclimate to the NFL.  Once that is done, McDermott and

Daboll can evaluate where the starter (whoever that is) is at and have JA enter the games accordingly.

 

I want to see Allen play as bad as anyone but I also want him to succeed as soon as possible.

I believe that this is a fair compromise for the team and Josh Allen.  As for AJM starting 4-0, I wouldn't be sad at all. 

[Domdab99]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I like your reply about Billick's decision tree!

 

As to my reasoning.  First I don't feel this way about every drafted QB.  I believe each rookie QB has a different scenario.  I will just talk about the Bills

and Josh Allen.  If it was Peyton Manning we were talking about I might have a different opinion.

 

Looking at JA's college career he is a late bloomer.  Junior College first, an injury losing him a year and only 2 years at Wyoming makes his exposure to

the position as far as preparing him for the NFL as raw.  My personal feelings about being a little more patient with his development has nothing to do

with the other QB's or even what the Bill's record will be.  I think the most important thing is to put JA in a position to succeed.

 

I like how they have him with the 3's for far.  He is working on fundamentals and learning the NFL game.  He will see a big increase in his first few

preseason games.  If he was named the starter he would immediately have to concern himself with "game planning" and other starter responsibilities.

This would hamper his foundation work.  It also gives him some experience by "seeing" what a starter has to do, game planning in the NFL,

 dissect after game film, etc a few weeks before he will have to do that on his own.

 

He can continue to work on these skills as the #2 and without "starter" pressure just take in the first games of an NFL season.  Heck, his home games in

Wyoming had less than 30,000 fans in the stands.  This action alone doubles the time he has to acclimate to the NFL.  Once that is done, McDermott and

Daboll can evaluate where the starter (whoever that is) is at and have JA enter the games accordingly.

 

I want to see Allen play as bad as anyone but I also want him to succeed as soon as possible.

I believe that this is a fair compromise for the team and Josh Allen.  As for AJM starting 4-0, I wouldn't be sad at all. 

 

I mean, I don't really agree, but I can certainly see this point of view as reasonable. 

 

Wait, did I just say that someone I'm arguing with on a forum has a reasonable point of view? 

 

I hope I didn't just break the internet. 

[Wily Dog]

I am at the persuasion that Peterman is going to be our starter if it isn't Allen. He has shown more than AJM with his quicker release and less confusion and the ability to read the field more  than AJM. AJN seems to be a reiteration of  Captain Checkdown......

[JaCrispy]

6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Why do you get to be Ken?

Well, one of you has to take. ?

[Domdab99]

You guy's realize that this is what Ken is packing, right?

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I will disagree. You don't simply start a player, regardless of position, due to their Draft status. IMO, you Draft a guy like Josh Allen believing unequivocally that he *will* be your franchise QB but all of the QBs have their warts. They built the Defense to win this year and the Offense is coming around, see Corey Coleman, but they're still building that side of the ball. So, let Peterman (if it's him) lead the Offense as it grows and let Josh learn the nuances of the NFL game, get Daboll's Offense down cold, and allow him to grow. 

 

Now, if Allen is the best of the 3, then you play him but that's because he's better than the other two, not simply to find out how fast your new hot rod can go....it has to be what's best for the team in both the short and the long run. 

 

...agree on your great points....only part I'm not sure of is Allen showing he's the best of the three...with the OL in the state of flux/development, same for WR corp (and NOT because of the yipsters and "worst in the league" crap; try a BRAND NEW word in their vocabulary: DOWNFIELD) as well as the running game behind Shady and blocking abilities.......not sure if McD may want to see some of those questions answered (NOT to say McCarron and/or Peterman are guinea pigs) before starting Josh, hopefully THE long sought after franchise QB.....have NO idea which way Coach would lean....

Edited August 6, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

I mean, I don't really agree, but I can certainly see this point of view as reasonable. 

 

Wait, did I just say that someone I'm arguing with on a forum has a reasonable point of view? 

 

I hope I didn't just break the internet. 

 

I still have web access so I guess the internet still works!

 

We fans can argue and debate...............got to be a lot tougher if your career rides on it.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Mat68]

We will know more Thursday night.  Imo the fix is in.  It's being set up for Allen.  He is basically getting all the reps with the guys he will play with Thursday.  Similar defense that he faces daily.  Second half single high safety man or zone not much blitzing.  I expect Allen to have the best stat sheet and highlights.  That happens he splits first team reps next week.  

[Mickey]

There is no one rule as to how to break in a new quarterback. It all depends on what kind of a person that QB is. Some guys could play a whole season getting picked off and sacked at a record pace and manage to learn from it all so that they comeback in year two as an all star. Another guy might not be able endure that kind of physical and emotional pounding and instead needs to be able to adjust and mature at a slower pace before becoming a big time QB hero. Anyone who has raised more than one child knows that what works for one might be the worst thing in the world for a different child. 

 

Coaching would be easy if all you had to do was follow one formula over and over and over again with every player. What makes it hard is figuring out what makes all those different clocks tick.

[FLFan]

2 minutes ago, Mickey said:

There is no one rule as to how to break in a new quarterback. It all depends on what kind of a person that QB is. Some guys could play a whole season getting picked off and sacked at a record pace and manage to learn from it all so that they comeback in year two as an all star. Another guy might not be able endure that kind of physical and emotional pounding and instead needs to be able to adjust and mature at a slower pace before becoming a big time QB hero. Anyone who has raised more than one child knows that what works for one might be the worst thing in the world for a different child. 

 

Coaching would be easy if all you had to do was follow one formula over and over and over again with every player. What makes it hard is figuring out what makes all those different clocks tick.

Well said and the key to successful personnel management in any field. 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 things to know from Day 10 at Bills camp

 

1 - Corey Coleman on his way

2 - Allen shows off accuracy

3 - Red zone defense stout

 

Bills Minute: Bills Acquire Corey Coleman (1:03)

Bills acquire former 1st rd pick, WR Corey Coleman, from Cleveland in exchange for a 7th round pick in 2020. The addition of Coleman amplifies an already heated battle for roster spots at the WR position.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

I dunno about this Allen kid.  As far as I've seen reported, he hasn't even hit the Hospitality tent once this TC

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I dunno about this Allen kid.  As far as I've seen reported, he hasn't even hit the Hospitality tent once this TC

 

Maybe he hasn't but he did break LaConjecture's leg causing an amputation. 

[CowboyBill]

Everybody wants perfection from Allen, but he’s making throws that these receivers have never before seen or thought possible. They also need some time to figure out how to catch his passes. It’s possible they give up on a route because no other QB they’ve played with was able to make the throw necessary where they are on the field. Once they figure it out though, they could be dangerous. This is why he needs time with the 1s. They’ve got to figure him out too. 

[Heitz]

38 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

3 things to know from Day 10 at Bills camp

 

1 - Corey Coleman on his way

2 - Allen shows off accuracy

3 - Red zone defense stout

 

Bills Minute: Bills Acquire Corey Coleman (1:03)

Bills acquire former 1st rd pick, WR Corey Coleman, from Cleveland in exchange for a 7th round pick in 2020. The addition of Coleman amplifies an already heated battle for roster spots at the WR position.

 

 

Did they misspell "acne" or, like, "acura" in that second bullet!?

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...agree on your great points....only part I'm not sure of is Allen showing he's the best of the three...with the OL in the state of flux/development, same for WR corp (and NOT because of the yipsters and "worst in the league" crap; try a BRAND NEW word in their vocabulary: DOWNFIELD) as well as the running game behind Shady and blocking abilities.......not sure if McD may want to see some of those questions answered (NOT to say McCarron and/or Peterman are guinea pigs) before starting Josh, hopefully THE long sought after franchise QB.....have NO idea which way Coach would lean....

I think its pretty simple.  Best man plays.  Best man is determined by all aspects of the game. QB play calling, reads, audibles, execution, leadership.   Whose the best?  

 

Allen isn't yet.  As Beane said, let's see what he does in his first game.  If he shines, he moves up. If he doesnt, he scratches and claws for more time.  Same as any other position. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by Shaw66

[26CornerBlitz]

 

 

Nice hair Kim!

 

8-6: Kim Jones from NFL Network on One Bills Live 13:46

Edited August 6, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[billsbackto81]

Everyone's ready to take the new toy out for a drive, but even new toys need a break in period.

 

McBeane have a tentative plan in place and it involves bringing Allen along SLOWLY. The fact that he has yet to lead the first team this far in pretty much gives you a clue of their intentions. I know they said early on that it's an open competition but that appears to be BS. Starting a raw project like Allen pretty much assures us a losing season. That would be so unfair to those players and fans who want to continue playoff aspirations after last season and deserve the best QB out there. At this point it doesn't look like Allen, but to be fair he hasn't really had a chance to roll with the 1's.

 

Now if the team craps the bed and come out 0-6 (very possible) then I can see getting the kid some real time experience. But if they come out let's say 4-2, there's no way he sees the field barring injury. And that's a good thing in my eyes at least. 

 

This is only my opinion and I obviously have no insider knowledge of what the brain trust plan for the season. Oh, and SCREW BILLICK! He's been defecating on this team ever since he was passed up for HC.

[26CornerBlitz]

From the Athletic - Matthew Fairburn's Day 10 Report:

 

Bills practice observations: Nathan Peterman is gaining...

 

PITTSFORD, N.Y. — It was around this time a year ago when Nathan Peterman started to turn a corner during training camp. He went on to have a strong preseason and cement himself as the Buffalo Bills’ backup quarterback.

 

With ten practices down at St. John Fisher College this year, Peterman is making similar strides. On Monday, he went 8-for-10 passing during team drills after completing his first six passes to start the day. This all came while Peterman was working with the first-team offense.

 

Yes, Peterman’s limitations are still there. When asked to make throws that require more velocity, Peterman either doesn’t get the ball to the target quickly enough or his throw is off target. But Peterman is starting to show better timing with his receivers. He hit Kelvin Benjamin for a pair of completions in the first set of team drills and has shown a nice rapport with the Bills’ No. 1 receiver.

 

With Peterman and AJ McCarron alternating days with the first-team offense, the Bills’ quarterback competition is looking more and more like a two-man race. Preseason games can change all of that, though. On Thursday, the Bills will host the Carolina Panthers for their first exhibition game, and that game could provide more intel on where these quarterbacks stand than any of these practices have.

 

If the last few days are any indication, though, Peterman isn’t out of this race yet. Here’s what else we learned at day ten of Bills training camp.

 

Josh Allen is stuck

Another strong day for Shaq Lawson

Wide receivers starting to take shape

Ryan Groy gets time at guard

Injury roundup

[billsredneck1]

4 hours ago, Wily Dog said:

I am at the persuasion that Peterman is going to be our starter if it isn't Allen. He has shown more than AJM with his quicker release and less confusion and the ability to read the field more  than AJM. AJN seems to be a reiteration of  Captain Checkdown......

...maybe that and a combination of drew bledsack...

[Cripple Creek]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think so too.  If the D can keep us in it, AJM has just enough ability to sneak up on a team

The same as it ever was.

[SCBills]

3 hours ago, CowboyBill said:

Everybody wants perfection from Allen, but he’s making throws that these receivers have never before seen or thought possible. They also need some time to figure out how to catch his passes. It’s possible they give up on a route because no other QB they’ve played with was able to make the throw necessary where they are on the field. Once they figure it out though, they could be dangerous. This is why he needs time with the 1s. They’ve got to figure him out too. 

This quote is blowing my mind.  

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Everyone's ready to take the new toy out for a drive, but even new toys need a break in period.

 

McBeane have a tentative plan in place and it involves bringing Allen along SLOWLY. The fact that he has yet to lead the first team this far in pretty much gives you a clue of their intentions. I know they said early on that it's an open competition but that appears to be BS. Starting a raw project like Allen pretty much assures us a losing season. That would be so unfair to those players and fans who want to continue playoff aspirations after last season and deserve the best QB out there. At this point it doesn't look like Allen, but to be fair he hasn't really had a chance to roll with the 1's.

 

Now if the team craps the bed and come out 0-6 (very possible) then I can see getting the kid some real time experience. But if they come out let's say 4-2, there's no way he sees the field barring injury. And that's a good thing in my eyes at least. 

 

This is only my opinion and I obviously have no insider knowledge of what the brain trust plan for the season. Oh, and SCREW BILLICK! He's been defecating on this team ever since he was passed up for HC.

Beane explained what they're doing a week or ten days ago. He said Allen would get third team reps until the first preseason game. After that, he would get better reps or not, depending on what he showed in the first preseason game. 

 

It isn't about bringing him along slowly. He will get a chance to show what he can do, and he will move up or not. 

[Shaw66]

4 hours ago, CowboyBill said:

Everybody wants perfection from Allen, but he’s making throws that these receivers have never before seen or thought possible. They also need some time to figure out how to catch his passes. It’s possible they give up on a route because no other QB they’ve played with was able to make the throw necessary where they are on the field. Once they figure it out though, they could be dangerous. This is why he needs time with the 1s. They’ve got to figure him out too. 

This is a good point.  Always happens with strong throwers. 

[Richard Noggin]

7 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

As Brian Billick just said on the NFL Channel, if you draft a guy no. 7 overall, you play him. If you have to sit him because he's not ready yet, you made a bad pick. That's what I said when they first drafted Allen. 

 

Play him. Give him a strong running game and bring him along slowly, but PLAY HIM. If Joe Flacco started out of the gate as a No. 17 pick, if Russell Wilson played as a 3rd round draft pick, then Josh Allen better step up and be the starter on day 1.

 

Why start AJ or Petyerman if you're just going to go to Allen after game 4? So, what? You're hoping one of the other guys fails so Allen can get his shot? That's moronic. 

 

PLAY JOSH ALLEN and let's see what we've got. 

There are recent examples of first round QBs who didn't immediately start, who nonetheless ended up being quality players. 

 

Would it terribly upset you if the team trotted out a different QB to face the road gauntlet of their first half schedule, before giving way to Allen at some point midseason?

6 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

If he's ready, start Josh Allen. And by all reports, he's at least as ready as the other two guys. 

I agree with the first half of your sentence. 

 

The second half needs more examination. Preseason games will certainly help fill in some of the blanks. 

 

I have a strong suspicion that McDermott is just too dang methodical to let it rip with the rook at the start of the season.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

16 hours ago, chris heff said:

Yeah Orton was great, remember that play when he slid three yards short of a first down and nobody was within ten yards of him.

 

hopefully we can trade McCarron for some firsts.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Nice hair Kim!

 

8-6: Kim Jones from NFL Network on One Bills Live 13:46

 

I thought Katty Perry brought the Cantaloupes !!

 

 

[Fr. Jerk]

[billsbackto81]

8 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Beane explained what they're doing a week or ten days ago. He said Allen would get third team reps until the first preseason game. After that, he would get better reps or not, depending on what he showed in the first preseason game. 

 

It isn't about bringing him along slowly. He will get a chance to show what he can do, and he will move up or not. 

I also recall that as well. What I'm trying to say Shaw is that I feel it was never their intention to have him in the running for starter though they said it was open comp. I guess the real question to ask is, up to this point do you believe Allen has been given an actual and fair chance to compete for the starting QB position?  Preseason starts Thursday and the season opener is Sept 9th.  The starter will most likely be named before the last preseason game on the 30th if not sooner. McD has done some head scratching stuff to this point but I don't think Josh with his body of work so far will merit enough to be the starter come opening day and if he's not the starter then to me by definition he's being brought along slowly.  Even if he shows extreme promise in the preseason I don't think it'll be enough to start.

[eball]

18 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

I also recall that as well. What I'm trying to say Shaw is that I feel it was never their intention to have him in the running for starter though they said it was open comp. I guess the real question to ask is, up to this point do you believe Allen has been given an actual and fair chance to compete for the starting QB position?  Preseason starts Thursday and the season opener is Sept 9th.  The starter will most likely be named before the last preseason game on the 30th if not sooner. McD has done some head scratching stuff to this point but I don't think Josh with his body of work so far will merit enough to be the starter come opening day and if he's not the starter then to me by definition he's being brought along slowly.  Even if he shows extreme promise in the preseason I don't think it'll be enough to start.

 

What we don't know is how the coaches -- not media members and fans -- have evaluated how all three QBs are doing thus far through camp.  To the media Peterman completes a short swing pass -- perhaps to the coaches he missed a big play down the field.  To a fan at camp Allen threw a pass at the receiver's feet -- perhaps to the coaches he saw a closing DB and was really throwing it away.  We just don't know.

 

I think the splitting of reps thus far is a matter of protecting Allen to a certain extent.  They know he's the 7th pick, and they know he's under intense scrutiny.  By naming him #3 from the get-go they've shielded him during the early part of TC, while legitimately giving AJM and NP a shot to prove their worth.

 

I feel as though you have to take Beane and McD at their word for the time being; after the first preseason game reps will start to be adjusted, and either Allen will have earned more of an opportunity or not.  I don't think it's fair to say he's out of the running to be the opening day starter.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I am very firmly in the camp of "start Allen when you think he is ready and not a moment before". All QBs have their warts rookie year. Carson Wentz had plenty of them before going on to being an MVP candidate in 2018. I think he easily has the most talent, but there is no point in just throwing him out there.
 

13 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Maybe he hasn't but he did break LaConjecture's leg causing an amputation. 

He should know better. Go for the thumbs, the thumbs!!!