Royale with Cheese Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: And could not get on the field even on Special Teams I think he was a healthy scratch about 3-4 times too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 17 hours ago, Flip Johnson said: Chris Watson the punt catcher and the worst cover corner we've ever had. Yes. I knew this thread would invite a lot of ill-informed responses (Jeff Wright? Mark Kelso? Percy Harvin? EJ Manuel?). You gotta think of a guy who shouldn't have been on an NFL practice squad. Even John McCargo made a few plays. Anyway I'm not scrolling through every page but in my life as a person old enough to be a Bills fan and form memories (1985 - present), Chris Watson is probably the best answer you could give. He was a liability and was targeted every time he was on the field. Great call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Aaron Maybin Art Powel (for Daryl Lamonica!) Joey Lumpkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, KW95 said: Justin Rogers Leodis Mckelvin Mike Tolbert Rob Johnson Don't agree about McKelvin. He didn't live up to his draft status but still started the majority of the games he played in his career. He was about an average corner over his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, KW95 said: Justin Rogers Leodis Mckelvin Mike Tolbert Rob Johnson Leodis McKelvin was an above average starting NFL player during his tenure with the Bills, especially if you take into account that he was a dynamic returner. The Bills have been in existence for 58 years. You really think Leodis McKelvin is one of the four worst players to ever wear a Bills uniform? Think before you give answers, people. Justin Rogers was bad, I'll give you that one. Edited July 9, 2018 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 minute ago, metzelaars_lives said: Yes. I knew this thread would invite a lot of ill-informed responses (Jeff Wright? Mark Kelso? Percy Harvin? EJ Manuel?). You gotta think of a guy who shouldn't have been on an NFL practice squad. Even John McCargo made a few plays. Anyway I'm not scrolling through every page but in my life as a person old enough to be a Bills fan and form memories (1985 - present), Chris Watson is probably the best answer you could give. He was a liability and was targeted every time he was on the field. Great call. Chris Watson was my number 2 behind Maybin. I just remember watching Watson get lit up each week. He was Wade's guy from Denver and was surprised at how bad he was. He was never on the #1 WR either....I believe he was our nickel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Don't agree about McKelvin. He didn't live up to his draft status but still started the majority of the games he played in his career. He was about an average corner over his career. I know, but he was is probably the most UNCLUTCH player as I've ever seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I believe we have a winner: Maybin. However, I still believe Losman worked hard for the honor 4 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said: Leodis McKelvin was an above average starting NFL player during his tenure with the Bills, especially if you take into account that he was a dynamic returner. The Bills have been in existence for 68 years. You really think Leodis McKelvin is one of the four worst players to ever wear a Bills uniform? Think before you give answers, people. Justin Rogers was bad, I'll give you that one. Above average? Surely you jest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 What’s Peterman need to do to lock this up? I know he was drafted late, but have you ever seen more ineptitude on display in pro sports? It looked like they grabbed a fan from the stands and threw a jersey on him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: I believe we have a winner: Maybin. However, I still believe Losman worked hard for the honor JP Losman took every snap in 2006 and wasn't even that bad. He led a s****y team to a 7-9 record and gave Lee Evans Pro Bowl numbers. Does the name Bruce Mathison mean anything to you? 2 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: I believe we have a winner: Maybin. However, I still believe Losman worked hard for the honor Above average? Surely you jest. No I don't at all. Made bad plays on the ball sometimes but utilized his speed to get in good position. That coupled with the fact that he was a dynamic punt returner for a long time- he was a good ball player. Jim Schwartz snatched him right up and he started all season for the Eagles the year after he left the Bills. What does that tell you? Edited July 9, 2018 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, metzelaars_lives said: Leodis McKelvin was an above average starting NFL player during his tenure on the Bills, especially if you take into account that he was dynamic returner. The Bills have been in existence for 68 years. You really think Leodis McKelvin is one of the four worst players to ever wear a Bills uniform? Think before you give answers, people. Justin Rogers was bad, I'll give you that one. He was a good corner later in his career, once a decent position coach found him. Always and elite returner and athlete. Voted to a probowl to boot. Not even close to worst... However... Maybin, Justin Rogers, Mike Williams, TJ Graham, Jeff Teul, McCargo was another gem. Flowers, Tuttle, EJM, JPL, AVP... Trent.. so many choices Edited July 9, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: been thinking you got to mellow slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I heard Russ was quite a player. Aaron Maybin.... just because everyone knew the pick was Orakpo and then the Bills went full Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I didn't scour the entire thread but I'll make an argument right here that the worst player AS A BILL was actually two players, who each only played one season (1985) in Buffalo. The Vince Ferragamo/Bruce Mathison 2-headed monster at QB for the '85 Bills combined for these glorious statistics: 50.9% passing, 3312 yards, 9 TDs, 31 INTs, 41 sacks, 9 fumbles, and a 2-14 W-L record. You can't even separate the two -- they had nearly identical, awful stats. Vince went 1-8 and Bruce went 1-6. Combined QB rating of 52. That, my friends, is worse quarterbacking -- by a longshot -- than even the Cleveland Browns have been getting. This was badness of mythical proportions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: That's good Bills football knowledge. And a truly bad pick. I'm just older Edited July 9, 2018 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, eball said: I didn't scour the entire thread but I'll make an argument right here that the worst player AS A BILL was actually two players, who each only played one season (1985) in Buffalo. The Vince Ferragamo/Bruce Mathison 2-headed monster at QB for the '85 Bills combined for these glorious statistics: 50.9% passing, 3312 yards, 9 TDs, 31 INTs, 41 sacks, 9 fumbles, and a 2-14 W-L record. You can't even separate the two -- they had nearly identical, awful stats. Vince went 1-8 and Bruce went 1-6. Combined QB rating of 52. That, my friends, is worse quarterbacking -- by a longshot -- than even the Cleveland Browns have been getting. This was badness of mythical proportions. and the Bills actually won two games. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Keith Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I used to have a borderline irrational hatred for Coy Wire. I hated (hated) he had so many fans but he sucked SO BAD. I used to just isolate on him at games and just watch him run around clueless like a steroided chicken with his head cut off - always (always) out of position. But he could jump out of the shallow end of a pool ... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: He was pushed back after a herniated disc in his back, which was just stupid. Had they done right by his rehab he may have been a solid player. I understand that Troup's problem was not attitude, and that he was poorly handled by the team, but as far as on field production is concerned and considering where he was drafted - the cost was fairly high and the payback just about zero. That's why I suggested him as a candidate. I'm not suggesting he was a bad person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I understand that Troup's problem was not attitude, and that he was poorly handled by the team, but as far as on field production is concerned and considering where he was drafted - the cost was fairly high and the payback just about zero. That's why I suggested him as a candidate. I'm not suggesting he was a bad person. From a production standpoint he was essentially worthless. Just like James Hardy. We haven't had a ton of success with 2nd round picks. Gronk being picked shortly after that pick is kind of a stinger as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, stevewin said: I used to have a borderline irrational hatred for Coy Wire. I hated (hated) he had so many fans but he sucked SO BAD. I used to just isolate on him at games and just watch him run around clueless like a steroided chicken with his head cut off - always (always) out of position. But he could jump out of the shallow end of a pool ... I felt the same about Chris Kelsay. Edited July 9, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, Manther said: Keith Ellison ? No. He was serviceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I felt the same about Chris Kelsay. I wasted a lot of space on this forum defending Kelsay but he was an undeserving whipping boy for many fans. As a 2nd round pick (and 6th DE taken in that draft) he turned into a very serviceable starter over a 10-year career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: From a production standpoint he was essentially worthless. Just like James Hardy. We haven't had a ton of success with 2nd round picks. Gronk being picked shortly after that pick is kind of a stinger as well. Byrd and Levitre were good 2nd rounders in the same draft (?). But, ya, typically we don't do well in the 2nd round. 12 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said: ? No. He was serviceable. I don't think Ellison was serviceable. Me and my buddy used to say the following about Ellison......... 1. We don't have anyone good enough to start at LB 2. Ellison is not good enough to start, but, Ellison started 3. Ellison is a "tweener" that can't play in this league. He got pushed around and couldn't tackle. TOO small! 4. As long as Ellison was starting we weren't good at LB and clearly had NO depth at LB 5. Ellison started for 2 or 3 season and he was not good enough to start 6. Shortly after we didn't have Ellison on the roster.........Maybin was on our team in the same role, but, worse! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Winner. Considering he was a high 2nd round pick And immediately preceded some Polish guy named Rob Gronkowski who we obviously could have had instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 It’s a tie, whoever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) Hmmm.... I'm listing guys who weren't just bad ALA Keith Ellison, debatably Chris Kelsey and Josh Reed, etc....I'm trying to list guys who were supposed to be starters and were soon replaced because of their ineptitude. (Of course) Maybin Chris Williams Derrick Dockery John McCargo Larry Tripplet I guess when you suck at evaluating linemen that's one good way to ensure a playoff drought Edited July 9, 2018 by Reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 15 hours ago, OJ Tom said: It seems like it needs to be someone who wasn't just bad, but was around long enough to have a true negative impact. Plenty of guys sucked, but never played much, or were high picks that just were a waste. It feels too easy to pick a QB (Hobert barely played), because they are under the microscope and overanalyzed. Some criteria could be.. A high pick. Maybe injured a lot. Unpopular with the fans Made serious game changing blunders. Stuck around, and had significant playing time. I think McCargo might be my pick. If you consider preventing the Bills from making the playoffs & allowing the drought to continue, the worst Bills player ever would be Brain Dead Drew Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Manther said: Keith Ellison Damn I hated Keith Ellison lol. He got so much playing time thanks to injuries. I remember one year he was considered a strength...that’s when I knew the season was toast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habes1280 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 22 hours ago, TigerJ said: Torell Troup The irony of passing on Rob Gronkowski because of his history of back problems for a less talented player who couldn't stay on the field because of a bad back is almost too much to take. I'm still not over it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Not a player but the 1994 version of the Bills throwback jerseys were atrocious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habes1280 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 7 hours ago, KGun12TD said: The guy we picked instead of Russel Wilson...He could run really fast but couldn't catch a ball if hi s life depended on it. I don't even remember his name. This is another stinger. If memory serves, when the Bills played the Seahawks that year, Wilson broke an NFL rookie record by rushing for three TDs and throwing for another in a single half, and T.J. Graham dropped four passes, one in the end zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 21 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Man, there are so many good bad players on this list I don't know which one to choose as the best worst one. I think mayhem maybins rap debacle really ended the debate in my head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I'm sure many will disagree but : Jp losman Trent Edwards Aaron maybin Cornell green Ej manuel Mike tolbert Mike williams Josh reed The kicker who replaced Ryan Lindell when he got injured I'm sure I'll think of more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Aaron Maybin! Made worse that he was a 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) QB for the 2-14 Bills in 1985 Ferragamo/Mathison: 263-577, 3331 yards, 9 TD's / 31 INT's. 165 Yards per Game, 52 QB Rating. And we had the 17th ranked defense. That Torrell Troup tho... Edited July 10, 2018 by dezertbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, eball said: I wasted a lot of space on this forum defending Kelsay but he was an undeserving whipping boy for many fans. As a 2nd round pick (and 6th DE taken in that draft) he turned into a very serviceable starter over a 10-year career. He was a whipping boy, but guys like Kelsay also personified the drought Bills. Those teams were full of guys deemed “serviceable” by fans, yet none of them were good enough to help take a team to the next level. The drought era teams simply held on to dozens of serviceable players for too long imo. Fwiw, the Kelsay contract was awful management. It was the type of decision that created that drought. Edited July 10, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Don't agree about McKelvin. He didn't live up to his draft status but still started the majority of the games he played in his career. He was about an average corner over his career. He was an average corner at the end of his career, when he finally figured out he was supposed to look for the ball in the air. 1 hour ago, Steptide said: I'm sure many will disagree but : Jp losman Trent Edwards Aaron maybin Cornell green Ej manuel Mike tolbert Mike williams Josh reed The kicker who replaced Ryan Lindell when he got injured I'm sure I'll think of more Add Walt Patulski to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Steptide said: I'm sure many will disagree but : Jp losman Trent Edwards Aaron maybin Cornell green Ej manuel Mike tolbert Mike williams Josh reed The kicker who replaced Ryan Lindell when he got injured I'm sure I'll think of more Seriously some decent options. This list made me think Tolbert and Reggie Bush are two of the worst Bills ever. Geepers Bush has negative rush yards as a Bill and Tolbert seemed like he was negative rush yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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