Julio Jones Trade possibilty?

[whatdrought]

If they thought that Allen was ready right now I could see giving up a first and 2 seconds for him, but it doesn't fit the mold that we're building from.

[Misterbluesky]

6 hours ago, dwight in philly said:

Probably half a$$ed site,. but read they may be interested in him. "Bills  News Consolidated" 

If we would ever land him,I would consider us to be a playoff caliber team....no if's,and's or but's about it. 

[Cripple Creek]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Alright, I’ll play. Lawson, 2019 1st & 4th, 2020 2nd would you?

I would jump at that.

[HOUSE]

I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a Hamberger today

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

If they thought that Allen was ready right now I could see giving up a first and 2 seconds for him, but it doesn't fit the mold that we're building from.

 

 

 

...them bi-focals AIN'T working....seriously??........

[unbillievable]

This would make as much sense as the Bills trading an unproven linebacker coming off a year long injury for All-pro Lesean McCoy.

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not the case. The WR corps is very much an issue as we saw last season. 

 

Right we got worse by dumping Sammy and Woods and replacing them with jjordan "broken heart" Mathews and some other guys whose names i can't even remember.

 

if true, give them whatever they want.  The best way to develop a young QB is to surround him with guys that can catch the football. Not guys like Zay Jones and D Thompson signed in the middle of the season after being cut by the Bears.

 

I thought after we got Allen and then the 2nd 1st round pick came along We'd take Ridley.  Sort of like how the Bungles got AJ Green and Dalton in the same draft.  The linebacker looks good, but D was already the strength of the team. O was quite the contrary.

 

sinking all these resources into an alleged  inaccurate passer and standing pat on WR seems ill advised to me. 

Edited June 23, 2018 by reddogblitz

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

anyone who thinks one of the best WR's in the league is going to get traded is nuts.

 

I hate these stupid posts.   I'vr read Brady, Rodgers, and so on who can be traded and just screams of you have no knowledge of football.  I'm not blaming the

OP just dumb remarks.

not sure if you hate the stupid post or not. Dwight's a bit sensitive BTW

4 hours ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

As the lyric in Proud Mary goes; "you don't have to worry, cuz you got no money!"  The other half is; who's going to throw to him?

Rollin Rollin

Rollin on the river...

2 hours ago, Robert James said:

Strikes me as more of a Whaley move; definitely not a Beane move.  And even Whaley would have needed to believe he had his QB in place (as he did with EJ) before spending that kind of money.

yep, on each point

[Clyde Smith]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Alright, I’ll play. Lawson, 2019 1st & 4th, 2020 2nd would you?

No way!! that is waay to much to give up a 29 yo WR with injury issues. I would love Julio in a Bills uni, but for that price we can draft a couple of Julios.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, THE SLAMMER said:

I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a Hamberger today

Wimpy , your credit rating has been plummeting for decades.
we can offer you an order of fries if you repay the loan on sunday before 12.
Take it or leave it

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Right we got worse by dumping Sammy and Woods and replacing them with jjordan "broken heart" Mathews and some other guys whose names i can't even remember.

 

if true, give them whatever they want.  The best way to develop a young QB is to surround him with guys that can catch the football. Not guys like Zay Jones and D Thompson signed in the middle of the season after being cut by the Bears.

 

I thought after we got Allen and then the 2nd 1st round pick came along We'd take Ridley.  Sort of like how the Bungles got AJ Green and Dalton in the same draft.  The linebacker looks good, but D was already the strength of the team. O was quite the contrary.

 

sinking all these resources into an alleged  inaccurate passer and standing pat on WR seems ill advised to me. 

next draft we go offense. be patient

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:

No way!! that is waay to much to give up a 29 yo WR with injury issues. I would love Julio in a Bills uni, but for that price we can draft a couple of Julios.

That’s what the cost will be. That’s why I threw it out. If we are going to discuss it let’s use a realistic cost.

[Chandler#81]

Giterdone, Beaner!

Wait! Is that racist?

[Victory Formation]

I'd like to see Benjamin get an extension, something like 8-10 million/yr. He's obviously no Julio Jones but he's a solid receiver, turn around and draft a burner next year and we're all set. Benjamin has it in him to be a decent #1.

[1st&ten]

Julio Jones----Don't need him, don't want him !!!

 

[White Linen]

9 hours ago, dwight in philly said:

Thanks again. i have been around a bit, but not an every day guy. i like the discussion .. but it does go off the rails once in a while .. but like you.. Benjamin.. Jones. would be nice, but without the QB , tough sell

 

Who would you need to "sell" the no QB to?

[TAinLack.]

5 hours ago, THE SLAMMER said:

I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a Hamberger today

...I think your comment is Whimpy!  Sorry, I just had to.?

[IgotBILLStopay]

6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...here's his remaining deal that he is NOT happy with.....as in $34 mil.....

 

8/29/2015: Signed a six-year, $81.432 million contract. The deal contains $47 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus. Jones' $11.5 million 2017 salary becomes fully guaranteed on March 11, 2016. 2018: $10.5 million, 2019: $12.5 million, 2020: $11.426 million, 2021: Free Agent

Actually I may be in the minority here - but Julio Jones has some justification for the holdout. The numbers you give are a bit misleading. The key issue is $34 mill is not GUARANTEED. Actually, Julio is just getting cash of 10.5 mill this year (with the prorated signing bonus - cap hit for the year is 12.9 mill with a dead cap of 4.8 mill). At worst, he is playing on a 1 yr 10.5 mill cash deal ant at best, a 1 yr 15.3 mill deal if you feel like including the dead cap. When Sammy Watkins with far less production signs a 3 yr 48 mill deal with 30 mill guaranteed, a top 3 receiver in the league is going to get miffed at 1 year 10.5 mill no?

 

These athletes' careers can end in an instant - if he had 34 mill guaranteed - we would not be seeing this holdout.

 

And I think a 2019 first rounder for Julio is a fair offer (and the Falcons will come round to it) along with  a little rework of the contract - maybe 2019 salary guarantee- will cause him to end the holdout and happily don the Bills Jersey.   Git 'er done McBeane!!

[dwight in philly]

56 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Who would you need to "sell" the no QB to?

good question.. obviously if they trade. no one . i was thinking more in terms of locking him in .. but again. good question. you an attorney? 

[ganesh]

11 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

anyone who thinks one of the best WR's in the league is going to get traded is nuts.

 

I hate these stupid posts.   I'vr read Brady, Rodgers, and so on who can be traded and just screams of you have no knowledge of football.  I'm not blaming the

OP just dumb remarks.

The day Herschel Walker trade happened,  a precedent was set...that was followed by trading of Joe Montana to the Chiefs etc.  No one is untouchable!

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

The day Herschel Walker trade happened,  a precedent was set...that was followed by trading of Joe Montana to the Chiefs etc.  No one is untouchable!

Yeah it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him traded. But they won’t give him away. And i expect it would be only to the afc. 

Edited June 24, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[GymShorts84]

9 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...do we even know what the hell we have with guys getting healthy, re-signings, draftees, etc before automatically thinking the "grass MUST be greener on the other side"?....how about the ongoing dichotomy of opinions on "$16 Mil Sammy"?.............

I know we don’t have Julio Jones. Our WR corps has a combined 1 good season.  Stop looking for a feel good story. 

[The Red King]

I wouldn't expect this, but wouldn't completely rule it out.  Beane has been making smart moves, and let's be honest, some real steals (waiting until the FA feeding frenzy was over then picking up AJ for a bag of footballs for example).  Odds are, he'll give them an offer they're not crazy about and wait.  Either Atlanta gives in to Julio, or they eventually buckle and accept Buffalo's offer.  And the key to this is...Beane won't budge, and if that costs them Julio, ah well.  And Atlanta will know that.

[Mountain Man]

18 hours ago, Zebrastripes said:

I think the odds of him being traded are very low, however, the Falcons did just draft his replacement and they already have a very solid group of guys at wr.  Add that up with his contract situation makes it all the more possible.  I still think the odds are low but is not on the same line as Brady or Rodgers being traded.

No they didn't. They drafted a WR2 to help him, not his replacement

[Mr. WEO]

21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I’m not sure what all Beane plans to spend the money on, but at a guess, it isn’t gonna be a splash, PR-intensive WR trade where he then has to sign the guy.

 

I wouldn’t rule out Beane doing that at some point in the future, when he thinks That One Guy is the missing piece - but do you see us as there, at the moment?

 

You don't get there without top offensive threats.  Our number 1 WR is a lumbering tall of  questionable durability.

21 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not the case. The WR corps is very much an issue as we saw last season. 

 

That's because they traded Watkins, not because they spent so much to get him.

[Zebrastripes]

6 hours ago, Mountain Man said:

No they didn't. They drafted a WR2 to help him, not his replacement

He is definitely not a 2nd wr in the NFL.  Maybe on day 1 he is but a year or two down the road this kid is definitely going to be number 1 wr talent.  Julio Jones will be 30 after this season.  They drafted Ridley now to be the eventual replacement for Jones.

[Clyde Smith]

17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s what the cost will be. That’s why I threw it out. If we are going to discuss it let’s use a realistic cost.

If that’s the cost, then it’s totally not worth it.

[starrymessenger]

Nope. All things considered (cost, age, injury history) it would likely be a terrible move. Draft and develop your own. Consider the occasional FA that might make (more) sense in the right circumstances. Patience. This team is a couple of years away. No quick fixes. Deal with it.

Not happening anyway.

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Nope. All things considered (cost, age, injury history) it would likely be a terrible move. Draft and develop your own. Consider the occasional FA that might make (more) sense in the right circumstances. Patience. This team is a couple of years away. No quick fixes. Deal with it.

Not happening anyway.

 

Ah, the perpetual re build philosophy.  With that attitude your always gonna be a few years away

 

screw that, let's go for it all THIS YEAR & EVERY YEAR.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Nope. All things considered (cost, age, injury history) it would likely be a terrible move. Draft and develop your own. Consider the occasional FA that might make (more) sense in the right circumstances. Patience. This team is a couple of years away. No quick fixes. Deal with it.

Not happening anyway.

 

 

...so Mr.Home Depot gave Matty Ice $100 mil to throw to an "unhappy Julio"?.......give 'em a new HUSKY tool set with loot in every drawer....he'll stay put......

Edited June 24, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Augie]

If the Falcons want to get Julio into camp maybe they could just threaten trading him to the Bills and our unknown QB’s?     ?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

If the Falcons want to get Julio into camp maybe they could just threaten trading him to the Bills and our unknown QB’s?     ?

 

...naw Augie, that would be purgatory......Cleveland with Hugh and Haley's Comet would be PURE HELL.....

[Happy]

24 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Ah, the perpetual re build philosophy.  With that attitude your always gonna be a few years away

 

screw that, let's go for it all THIS YEAR & EVERY YEAR.

 

Sure, since we have plenty of salary cap space.  Got the below from here

 

NFL salary cap: $177.2 million
2017 rollover: $11.58 million
2018 Adjusted Salary Cap: $188.78 million
All player contracts: $144.6 million
Top-51 contracts: $125.9 million
Dead cap space: $46.9 million
Josh Allen projection: $3.5 million ($3 million on Top-51)
Top-51 including Allen: $128.9 million
Total salary cap commitments (Top-51 + Allen + dead money): $175.8 million

Buffalo Bills current workable cap space: $12.98 million

[starrymessenger]

6 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Ah, the perpetual re build philosophy.  With that attitude your always gonna be a few years away

 

screw that, let's go for it all THIS YEAR & EVERY YEAR.

 

A few years away assuming things stay on track and go the way we want them to.

Nothing is guaranteed. 

Great as he is Julio Jones isn't making this team a contender in 2018. Blowing your brains out today to land him is more likely to set you back than move you closer to the day you might otherwise be in a position to compete.

Having said that of course you do everything you can to win every game. 

[reddogblitz]

26 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

A few years away assuming things stay on track and go the way we want them to.

Nothing is guaranteed. 

 

All the more reason to go balls out. In the age of the sAlary cap and FA you can't fool around with long team building plans.  Every year you're turning over 20% if you're lucky it's only that much. By the time we get those WRs next year and producing, then Shady will be gone. Milano and the Teredavian Nightmare will be ready cash in a la Happy Gilmore along with others

 

The days of the 4 year rebuilding plan are over and have been over for a while now IMHO.

 

 

 

 

38 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Sure, since we have plenty of salary cap space.  Got the below from here

 

NFL salary cap: $177.2 million
2017 rollover: $11.58 million
2018 Adjusted Salary Cap: $188.78 million
All player contracts: $144.6 million
Top-51 contracts: $125.9 million
Dead cap space: $46.9 million
Josh Allen projection: $3.5 million ($3 million on Top-51)
Top-51 including Allen: $128.9 million
Total salary cap commitments (Top-51 + Allen + dead money): $175.8 million

Buffalo Bills current workable cap space: $12.98 million

 

I don't even  pretend to know anything about the sAlary cap. I leave that to the resident capologists.  I'm a football fan, not an accounting fan..

[Happy]

11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

I don't even  pretend to know anything about the sAlary cap. I leave that to the resident capologists.  I'm a football fan, not an accounting fan..

 

I'm not a salary cap expert, either.  But I do know that with just under $13M for 2018, there is no way we can afford a big splash free agent.  I know you want to win now (so do I) but the reality of the situation is we will have to wait until next year when our cap situation is much better.  McD and Beane will build through the draft first, and what they can't get through the draft, FA is the next step...possibly a big splash FA if he is the guy that will fill a major hole and allow the Bills to win now.

[The_Dude]

It’d make no sense for the Bills to trade for a receiver on the back 9 of his career to accompany our rookie QB. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, The_Dude said:

It’d make no sense for the Bills to trade for a receiver on the back 9 of his career to accompany our rookie QB. 

I wouldn’t be opposed to it at all from an age standpoint. An established all pro WR would help out a rookie QB (assuming he plays) immensely. He’s only 29, not like he’s 35. We have tons of young WRs to grow up with Allen. Could really use a Julio Jones. Still a pipe dream, I’m aware. 

Edited June 24, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Mountain Man]

19 hours ago, Zebrastripes said:

He is definitely not a 2nd wr in the NFL.  Maybe on day 1 he is but a year or two down the road this kid is definitely going to be number 1 wr talent.  Julio Jones will be 30 after this season.  They drafted Ridley now to be the eventual replacement for Jones.

If Ridley is their WR1 the Falcons are in a whole lot of trouble

[John from Riverside]

17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I wouldn’t be opposed to it at all from an age standpoint. An established all pro WR would help out a rookie QB (assuming he plays) immensely. He’s only 29, not like he’s 35. We have tons of young WRs to grow up with Allen. Could really use a Julio Jones. Still a pipe dream, I’m aware. 

I just dont know if I want to be tied down to a huge contract like that.....

 

I realize we have/will have cap money.......but giving out bad contracts is one of the things that have hurt this team over the years.

 

Everyone talks about defense with next years 1st round pick......I say enough of that and give me a blue chip pass catcher to go with Josh Allen.

[SoTier]

Just because the Bills frequently trade away their best players for next to nothing, especially when those players are among the best in the NFL, doesn't mean that other teams are as disinterested in winning football games.  For those suffering from memory impairment, Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch are two ex-Bills who were about the same caliber as Jones when the Bills traded them away for the equivalent of used athletic equipment. 

 

Even if Jones were to be available for trade, the Bills wouldn't be interested.  The current regime doesn't seem interested in adding top players, especially on offense.