"Josh Allen is blowing people away" - Chris Simms

[cd1]

1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said:

I certainly am not actively rooting against allen, why would I? But this kid has more excuses and excuse makers on this board in a month than tyrod had during his whole tenure as a starter. Funny how that is.

 

some bitter sap posted a thread about how rosen was “lookin good” as if that means anything (much like this thread) and some stan just had to ape that guy’s headline word for word and sub in allen for rosen because they heard joe b say allen had a good day in shorts throwing against air as well. 

 

Excuses?   Excuse for what?  Ha Ha Ha 

 

I think you are "tilting at windmills, Don"

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

I certainly am not actively rooting against allen, why would I? But this kid has more excuses and excuse makers on this board in a month than tyrod had during his whole tenure as a starter. Funny how that is.

 

some bitter sap posted a thread about how rosen was “lookin good” as if that means anything (much like this thread) and some stan just had to ape that guy’s headline word for word and sub in allen for rosen because they heard joe b say allen had a good day in shorts throwing against air as well. 

I think someone has been drinking pretty early today

[CommonCents]

13 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

I certainly am not actively rooting against allen, why would I? But this kid has more excuses and excuse makers on this board in a month than tyrod had during his whole tenure as a starter. Funny how that is.

 

some bitter sap posted a thread about how rosen was “lookin good” as if that means anything (much like this thread) and some stan just had to ape that guy’s headline word for word and sub in allen for rosen because they heard joe b say allen had a good day in shorts throwing against air as well. 

FWIW Tyrod “supporters” “truthers” had made so many excuses that someone came up with COT. If you think this is bad wait until Allen has a good or bad game. Then everyone that staked their claim will be barking.

 

Bandit was one of the few posters I remember that gave Allen some respect and he did it early on in the process. I went back and gave Allen a fair look because of that and I’m still thankful for it. I think the anyone but Allen club is going to look quite ridiculous in the near future. 

Edited May 31, 2018 by Commonsense

[Royale with Cheese]

6 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

It also changes if you replace last word with "Royale with Cheese".

 

Would I be famous?

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

This is just poor trolling on your part - nothing has suggested he will be a career back-up player.  

 

If anything his his style and skill is totally boom or bust.  He will either become a franchise player or totally flame out.  

 

Brett Farve/Aaron Rodgers or Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf

 

I think there is a middle ground.... it is kind of low end starter.... Blake Bortles territory, or maybe what Josh Freeman was for a couple of years until he couldn't be bothered to learn his playbook anymore.

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think there is a middle ground.... it is kind of low end starter.... Blake Bortles territory, or maybe what Josh Freeman was for a couple of years until he couldn't be bothered to learn his playbook anymore.

I was thinking Stafford before Cooter. Blake Bortles is not a natural thrower, Freeman was. 

[HappyDays]

I know it's just OTAs but I've gotten sick of making excuses for our QBs having bad practices. It's nice for once to hear we have a QB making it look easy.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

I was thinking Stafford before Cooter. Blake Bortles is not a natural thrower, Freeman was. 

 

I have always been a Matt Stafford guy (even before Cooter)... if what we got was Matt Stafford's career out of Josh Allen I'd be over the moon. I think he has covered up the fact that for the last 4 or 5 years (basically since the year Schwartz broke their playoff drought) Detroit has had one of the worst rosters in the entire NFL.  

[colin]

allen will be ready much faster than many think, particularly compared to many of the other rook qbs, because he was in a pro style O that made him attempt difficult passes.  the quick slants and screens which go for 50 yards that okalhoma ran all the time are the plays that aren't there in the pros (not as much anyhow, and with much smaller windows).

 

there is no replacement for pure talent in the NFL, and we finally have a guy with the ability to put the ball all over the place precisely.

 

it's gonna be a lot of fun to be a bills fan.

[Best Player Available]

6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Who are these guys and why are they getting this story and not anyone local? This is the first positive review of Allen I've heard.

Simms has been on the Allen bandwagon way before the draft.

Last week he said.if Allen starts the season or plays, at least

in 10 games. He will be a legitimate candidate for rookie of the year.

 

Maybe the 21st century version of Kelly/Berman might develop.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I hope it’s true. But I also feel like, at this stage of the game...what could he be doing that wouldn’t be impressive? He has a lot of physical ability and what they are doing (to this point) is probably barely football. A guy that can throw the ball 80 yards is probably going to look good no matter (what in Padless practices against air). If he is blowing people away in training camp, live scrimmages and preseason...I’ll start to get excited.

[CommonCents]

20 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I hope it’s true. But I also feel like, at this stage of the game...what could he be doing that wouldn’t be impressive? He has a lot of physical ability and what they are doing (to this point) is probably barely football. A guy that can throw the ball 80 yards is probably going to look good no matter (what in Padless practices against air). If he is blowing people away in training camp, live scrimmages and preseason...I’ll start to get excited.

If he was turning heads in the classroom that would be the best case scenario. 

Edited May 31, 2018 by Commonsense

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I hope it’s true. But I also feel like, at this stage of the game...what could he be doing that wouldn’t be impressive? He has a lot of physical ability and what they are doing (to this point) is probably barely football. A guy that can throw the ball 80 yards is probably going to look good no matter (what in Padless practices against air). If he is blowing people away in training camp, live scrimmages and preseason...I’ll start to get excited.

 

Brian, at this point in OTA there are no pads and no live contact, but it's not "practice against air", and far more is required of the QB than to heave the ball 80 yds through the air.

 

I agree with you that it doesn't mean too much, but it's also worth noting that reportedly a number of other young QB have been being picked off etc.  Now maybe things are being simplified for Allen more than other QB, so we don't fully know what that means either.  The point is all QB don't look good in OTA, and it's not just against air, guys are getting picked off and so forth.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I will confess that I was a skeptic. I wanted Rosen or Darnold. That said, this is not the first time I have heard the comparisons to Carson Wentz: still a little raw in his craft, but seems to be progressing and has the physical tools that are eye popping.

 

I will wait for judgement until we actually see him on the field, but I have hope.

 

7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Allen can blow whoever he wants if he wins Buffalo a Super Bowl ?

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

 

 

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

A guy that can throw the ball 80 yards is probably going to look good no matter (what in Padless practices against air).

 

Not necessarily. EJ had a strong arm and plenty of bad practices. Mahomes just had an awful practice. We don't have to pretend OTAs are real games but we also don't have to pretend they're meaningless. If he's picking up the system quickly and throwing dimes on the practice field that will translate to the regular season. The one thing we won't know until preseason at the earliest is how competent he looks under pressure.

[thebandit27]

45 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

FWIW Tyrod “supporters” “truthers” had made so many excuses that someone came up with COT. If you think this is bad wait until Allen has a good or bad game. Then everyone that staked their claim will be barking.

 

Bandit was one of the few posters I remember that gave Allen some respect and he did it early on in the process. I went back and gave Allen a fair look because of that and I’m still thankful for it. I think the anyone but Allen club is going to look quite ridiculous in the near future. 

 

I remember Tyrod (and every other QB we've had come through here) getting his fair share of excuses for sure.

 

As for me and Allen, I feel that I was pretty fair to him throughout the process.  I came into 2017 expecting to grade him as a R1 guy, and that didn't happen.  Back in January, I had him as a 3rd round pick.  My deep dive work in February & March completely turned me around on him, and by the time March closed I had him as a top-10 guy (and believe me, nobody was more shocked about it than me), even though he was my QB4 behind Rosen, Mayfield, and Darnold (in that order).

 

That said, when I say "top-10 guy", I mean precisely this: if all goes well for him, he can become a franchise guy.  For me personally, if I see a potential franchise QB (i.e. a guy with whom you can win a Super Bowl without having a perfect team around him), then he's an automatic top-10 pick because the position is simply that important.

 

From a scientific study standpoint, I'm thrilled that the Bills picked Allen, because his development (or lack thereof) is going to be one of the most interesting case studies in modern NFL history.  Either all of the "analytics tell you all you need to know" supporters will be proven wrong, or the "old school scouts know talent when they see it" mantra will break in favor of new school, big-data evaluation.  As for me, I'll stick to my opinion: Allen has a shot to be great, but he's miles away from where he needs to be right now.

Edited May 31, 2018 by thebandit27

[co_springs_billsfan]

50 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Would I be famous?

There might be a check from TMZ to you in the near future. Does that count?

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

There might be a check from TMZ to you in the near future. Does that count?

 

Absolutely.  

[jr1]

lol at them talking about the Drake and Pusha T hip hop feud

[Rochesterfan]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think there is a middle ground.... it is kind of low end starter.... Blake Bortles territory, or maybe what Josh Freeman was for a couple of years until he couldn't be bothered to learn his playbook anymore.

 

 

I do not disagree that there can be middle ground, but neither of those guys is career backup material.  Blake Bortles not only played out first contract, but was extended by his drafting team - that to me makes him their franchise QB - maybe not by a pure numbers perspective, but by how they have treated him.

 

Josh was a flash in the pan that ended up busting.  He never stuck anyplace as a back-up.

 

To me a career backup is a guy like Matt Moore that has played in the league 10+ years only started more than 10 games 1 time, but is kept around because he can come in and steady a ship.  See also Chase Daniels, T.J. Yates, Derek Anderson.

 

Josh Allen if he plays at that type of mid level - Blake Bortles/Matt Moore - will probably still end up still starting a large number of games for Buffalo and being the starter - we fans may not be happy, but he was drafted to start.  I just do not see Josh Allen sitting on the bench as a back-up for 10+ years to help stabilize when the starting QB is hurt - that does not fit it’s the skill set I have seen.

 

 

[Alaska Darin]

5 hours ago, JoeF said:

Allen Tweets were because of Ambien.....you heard it here first.

 

Difficult for me to get excited yet.  The issues with bad decision making and bad mechanics Josh appears to have are brought about by in-game pressure.  That is really the only true test.  We are going to have to all be patient.  There will be the occasional 3 interception half and a critical turnover that seals an opponents victory.  I am sure there is a cut Josh Allen thread or two in our future as a forum.

It's not how you start, it's how you finish.  The great ones are measured by their performance in the fourth quarter and in critical situations.  TT regularly came up small in critical moments close and late.

 

My biggest early concern with Allen is the BILLS trot him out there behind a bad OLine and he takes tons of hits.  Nothing ruins a promising young QB faster than having his confidence shattered.

[JoeF]

1 minute ago, Alaska Darin said:

It's not how you start, it's how you finish.  The great ones are measured by their performance in the fourth quarter and in critical situations.  TT regularly came up small in critical moments close and late.

 

My biggest early concern with Allen is the BILLS trot him out there behind a bad OLine and he takes tons of hits.  Nothing ruins a promising young QB faster than having his confidence shattered.

See David Carr...

[Seasons1992]

5 hours ago, JoeF said:

  There will be the occasional 3 interception half and a critical turnover that seals an opponents victory.  

 

 

Bills fans call this "The Trent Edwards."

[Alaska Darin]

1 minute ago, JoeF said:

See David Carr...

That's a great example.  Tim Couch is another.  NFL history is just littered with them.

[BB@Shooter]

8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Who are these guys and why are they getting this story and not anyone local? This is the first positive review of Allen I've heard.

I take it you still get your newspaper delivered in the afternoon??

9 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I thought Simms was big on Lamar Jackson before the draft.

The three podcasts I have seen he has always had Allen #1. I do kind of remember him having Jackson up there high at one point though.

[aristocrat]

yea josh is the guy that will wow in the shorts. it's whether he can put it together on the field. i hope we have the staff that will develop him.  

[PromoTheRobot]

8 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Dig deeper, they’re out there.  No, I won’t get links for you.  If that makes it nonexistent, so be it.  But he’s been impressive, some people just don’t want to hear it, or have selective hearing.  Not a comment on you, just sayin’. Of course running around in shorts doesn’t mean squat at this point.

 

No, I'm thrilled that people are seeing good results from Allen. All I'm asking is why aren't I hearing this elsewhere, especially from local reports. The only QB news I heard from OTAs was that Peterman was getting snaps with the 1's.

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

No, I'm thrilled that people are seeing good results from Allen. All I'm asking is why aren't I hearing this elsewhere, especially from local reports. The only QB news I heard from OTAs was that Peterman was getting snaps with the 1's.

 

It was reported before. Media folk who attended last week's OTA wrote glowing reports of Allen. That was the only open practice so far so those are the only direct reports we have. Tre White on NFL Network also had a lot of praise for Allen, saying his arm is as good as advertised and he'll be one of the best QBs in the league before long. There is another open practice in an hour so we'll have more eyewitness reports soon.

[hondo in seattle]

I try to remain dispassionate and expectation-free during the offseason.  

 

But the more I hear stuff like this, the more hopeful I get about Allen.   The people who know Allen best, and watch him the closest, seem to believe he has the potential to be something special.  And I find myself, against my better judgment, feeling more excited than I've been about a new Bills QB since Jim Kelly decided to sign.  

 

Then again, I confess that I started to feel some excitement for Trent Edwards when I learned Bill Walsh called Marv to tell him how lucky the Bills were to get him.  Even the smartest talent evaluators are sometimes wrong.  There's no certainty in the draft.  

[Alaska Darin]

Just now, hondo in seattle said:

I try to remain dispassionate and expectation-free during the offseason.  

 

But the more I hear stuff like this, the more hopeful I get about Allen.   The people who know Allen best, and watch him the closest, seem to believe he has the potential to be something special.  And I find myself, against my better judgment, feeling more excited than I've been about a new Bills QB since Jim Kelly decided to sign.  

 

Then again, I confess that I started to feel some excitement for Trent Edwards when I learned Bill Walsh called Marv to tell him how lucky the Bills were to get him.  Even the smartest talent evaluators are sometimes wrong.  There's no certainty in the draft.  

Edwards had more potential but the BILLS wrecked him by getting him hammered game after game.  He was never the same after he got his clock cleaned in Arizona.

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It was reported before. Media folk who attended last week's OTA wrote glowing reports of Allen. That was the only open practice so far so those are the only direct reports we have. Tre White on NFL Network also had a lot of praise for Allen, saying his arm is as good as advertised and he'll be one of the best QBs in the league before long. There is another open practice in an hour so we'll have more eyewitness reports soon.

Somehow I missed then all.

[Infinitum]

It's all about wins, not blowing people away in the off season.

[mannc]

48 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

That's a great example.  Tim Couch is another.  NFL history is just littered with them.

And you can’t prove that a single one of them would have been good if only they sat for a year or two.  The league is also “littered” with successful QBs who started out of the gate.  So there.

[BB@Shooter]

2 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

I certainly am not actively rooting against allen, why would I? But this kid has more excuses and excuse makers on this board in a month than tyrod had during his whole tenure as a starter. Funny how that is.

 

some bitter sap posted a thread about how rosen was “lookin good” as if that means anything (much like this thread) and some stan just had to ape that guy’s headline word for word and sub in allen for rosen because they heard joe b say allen had a good day in shorts throwing against air as well. 

Would you show me one quote or excuse that Allen personally made? The answer is no you can't.  Simply because he hasn't done it. He has said his footwork is bad. He took blame for the tweets, where he could have tried to explain them away. He didn't explain them away, he took responsibility for them. He didn't say he was 15 years old when copied them off of a rap song or a TV show. I have never seen him blame his teammates or cuss them out . He has never blamed anyone else for his shortcoming in football. He got to play in the Senior Bowl as a junior because he had already graduated. The guy is practically a boy scout , but for some reason he has more than his share of haters.

 

At least get it correct, Allen has not made one excuse that I have ever heard or read that could even begin to be taken seriously. Does he have people like me sticking up for him with facts and opinion, hell yes. I just don't understand why so many supposed Bills fans have it out for him? All he has done his whole life is overcome doubt and naysayers. I predict you will be the next in line to be proven wrong.  Allen tends to do that to people who don't believe in him. 

[MAJBobby]

Good, we should be hearing that during short and OTAs. 

 

Now put the pads on open practices to public and we can see if it rings true

[Hapless Bills Fan]

42 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

No, I'm thrilled that people are seeing good results from Allen. All I'm asking is why aren't I hearing this elsewhere, especially from local reports. The only QB news I heard from OTAs was that Peterman was getting snaps with the 1's.

 

? there's been some stuff, Sal C, etc.

[BB@Shooter]

26 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Somehow I missed then all.

If this helps I figure out what search engines I use and then type in the subject I want to read about. In this case type in Josh Allen and Buffalo Bills. Then whenever my search engine or sports site like Bleacher Report has an article come up, it shows on your preferred reading material. Others on here might have a better or easier way of doing it, but that is how I do it. I have seen a lot on Darnold, but not much on the rest of the quarterbacks drafted in the first round. Hope it works for you.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

? there's been some stuff, Sal C, etc.

 

I always listen to Sal's reports on demand and he really hasn't said anything about any QB other than how people lost their minds on Twitter when it came out Peterman was getting snaps with the 1's. That's why this caught me off guard.

[Estro]

I guess Matthew Fairburn and his website follow this site.  An article about this very post popped up on their website about an hour ago.

 

This title: "Josh Allen is blowing people away" - Chris Simms

 

NewYorkUpstates title: Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen is blowing people away, says Chris Simms"

Edited May 31, 2018 by Estro

[CNY315]

3 hours ago, Mat68 said:

If Allen had a day similar to Mahomes

What's this about?