Incognito placed on psychiatric hold, cops called in gym altercation

[oldmanfan]

The guy has problems.  I hope he gets whatever treatment he needs so he can recover.  But this also suggests that Bills management may have known a lot more than any of us knew when they decided to cut ties.

 

Plus:  calling the guy a douche and trashing him basically says you've no sense of compassion.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, The_Dude said:

...Richie has ALWAYS been this way. Know what he reminds me of? Some of my army buddies head injuries. 

 

...how many concussions has Richie had? I wonder. And I don’t mean documented ones. I mean how many concussions since middle school has Richie had? I’m curious. 

 

It's a good question.  In terms of diagnosed, acknowledged concussions probably not many

 

But there's this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2014/10/17/offensive-linemen-are-the-football-players-most-likely-to-play-while-concussed-new-studies-show/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e9e2c59bb825

 

Whether it's primary, or subsequent to traumatic brain injury,  Incognito has openly acknowledged being treated for depression and being involuntarily committed to a facility for psychiatric treatment once before (in 2014).

 

If he's still taking psychoactive medications, it's pretty well known they don't play well with drinking shots of tequila 'til dawn or other recreational self-medication.

If he's not, maybe he needs to be.

11 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Theres no sense in cutting his pay and handing him a 7 figure pay check up front to force him out. You just cut him.

 

This

2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

What’s my point? Seriously? Who are you, Mike Schopp?

Figure it out yourself.

 

Sorry, you must be too clever for me. 

 

LAMP post: wanting to be given credit for inferring some inside gouge without the scrutiny of actually putting it out there would be my first guess.

[wppete]

Here is the victims account of the incident:

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The guy has problems.  I hope he gets whatever treatment he needs so he can recover.  But this also suggests that Bills management may have known a lot more than any of us knew when they decided to cut ties.

 

Plus:  calling the guy a douche and trashing him basically says you've no sense of compassion.

 

 

OMG! He’s been doing this his whole life.  Why do people keep defending a guy who has been a terrible person most of his life?  Because he is a good blocker?

 

again,  if this is a one time thing like Zay Jones, I get compassion.  But this guy has been awful to a lot of people most of his life. Then, he took a giant ? on the Bills.  Stop defending him.  

 

That said, I hope he gets medicated Ike Tyson because that is a scary thought to have a large crazy man with not much to do walking around angry.

[Doc]

He needs to follow-through with his initial desire and retire.  I doubt anyone takes a chance on him now.

[TheFunPolice]

well, so much for making more money elsewhere...

 

This guy obviously has some serious issues

[oldmanfan]

39 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

OMG! He’s been doing this his whole life.  Why do people keep defending a guy who has been a terrible person most of his life?  Because he is a good blocker?

 

again,  if this is a one time thing like Zay Jones, I get compassion.  But this guy has been awful to a lot of people most of his life. Then, he took a giant ? on the Bills.  Stop defending him.  

 

That said, I hope he gets medicated Ike Tyson because that is a scary thought to have a large crazy man with not much to do walking around angry.

Because there is something clearly wrong with him.  If he was just a jerk fine.  But everything from his conduct is consistent with him having some kind of mental and/or physical issue that needs to be addressed.

[JohnC]

43 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

OMG! He’s been doing this his whole life. Why do people keep defending a guy who has been a terrible person most of his life?  Because he is a good blocker?

 

again,  if this is a one time thing like Zay Jones, I get compassion.  But this guy has been awful to a lot of people most of his life. Then, he took a giant ? on the Bills.  Stop defending him.  

 

That said, I hope he gets medicated Ike Tyson because that is a scary thought to have a large crazy man with not much to do walking around angry.

You are right that he has had issues most of his life. Those issues that relate to mental and psychiatric health have never been fully addressed. What's evident is that his behavior is erratic and potentially destructive to himself and others. He not only needs medical attention now but probably for the rest of his life. 

 

You bringing up how he treated the Bills has absolutely no relevancy to his situation. Whether he is with the Bills or not or whether he is in football or not he has obvious indications that there is a mental health/psychiatric issue afflicting him. That's the issue here: Someone who is not only now unhealthy but someone who will for the rest of his life have to deal with it. 

 

Your lack of compassion and empathy toward someone who clearly is troubled says a lot about you as a person. While this man glaringly needs help you are critical of him because he is no longer with the Bills. That is utter nonsense. Don't worry about the Bills. They'll survive whether he is with the team or not. The issue is whether this troubled individual can get the help he needs so that he can live. That's what at stake here: His life!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Here is the victims account of the incident:

 

 

 

Crazy stuff.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

13 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Or, maybe, he’s just an ass an it’s nobody’s fault but his own.

 

there's a difference between being an a-hole and  being a crazy a-hole. Richie's been the crazy kind and that usually is associated with drugs,

[stony]

I'm sure his brain is showing no side effects from the past 20 years.  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, stony said:

I'm sure his brain is showing no side effects from the past 20 years.  

 

 

no, he's just a douche.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

17 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You are right that he has had issues most of his life. Those issues that relate to mental and psychiatric health have never been fully addressed. What's evident is that his behavior is erratic and potentially destructive to himself and others. He not only needs medical attention now but probably for the rest of his life. 

 

You bringing up how he treated the Bills has absolutely no relevancy to his situation. Whether he is with the Bills or not or whether he is in football or not he has obvious indications that there is a mental health/psychiatric issue afflicting him. That's the issue here: Someone who is not only now unhealthy but someone who will for the rest of his life have to deal with it. 

 

Your lack of compassion and empathy toward someone who clearly is troubled says a lot about you as a person. While this man glaringly needs help you are critical of him because he is no longer with the Bills. That is utter nonsense. Don't worry about the Bills. They'll survive whether he is with the team or not. The issue is whether this troubled individual can get the help he needs so that he can live. That's what at stake here: His life!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh please. I’m one of the most compassionate person around.  However, if someone has treated people like scum most of his life, I don’t feel pity for him.  A lot of his political beliefs don’t believe in helping out others.  If he wasn’t in the nfl, he’d be in jail.  He has been given more chances than most human beings get in a lifetime to make a ton of money.

 

he doesn’t care about you.  He didn’t have like 7 people died that were close to him like Dareus (who a lot of posters talked a lot of crap about).  People treat RI better than they treat players who’s worst offense is taking a knee during the anthem. So sick of people’s double standards.

 

i don’t want him to die. I hope he gets help.  But I don’t feel pity for a guy who has ? on a lot of people in his life.  If this is Kyle Willams or Lorenzo Alexander, I’d feel terrible.  But things have a way of catching up to you when you treat people like crap most of your life. Save your pity for someone who actually deserves it.

[blacklabel]

It's kinda sad... someone mentioned autism, I don't think Richie has that... I'm not 100% on this but I think he may be diagnosed bipolar. After the whole Martin thing, he spent his year and a half away from football staying in shape but also in psychological/psychiatric treatment. There was a lengthy interview with him where he said he used the time away to address some internal issues he never really bothered to face. He said that he learned how to control his anger better, how to let go of situations that may have been upsetting in the moment but were insignificant in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure all of that stuff played a role in the Bills being comfortable enough to sign him.

 

I also think one of the reasons the Bills felt good about signing him was because of two guys on the team named Eric Wood and Kyle Williams. Wood has said he and Incognito became friends pretty much from day one when Richie came in. It's possible that Wood really helped keep the guy in line and now that he no longer has the locker room environment to be in and is presently unemployed and not playing the sport he's spent his entire life playing, it's probably making things tough on him mentally.

 

Still, you hope that he has the wherewithal to stop and realize how far he's come and catch himself before he does something lame like throw a dumbbell at someone. 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

He needs to follow-through with his initial desire and retire.  I doubt anyone takes a chance on him now.

 

I don’t think he had much desire to retire - and there is likely where part of the problem lies. He’s a mess and football has likely been among his only consistent rocks in life. Not only that, one where his off the wall behavior was remotely acceptable. As he meanders into civilization without purpose, there’s a good chance this gets worse not better. 

[blacklabel]

It's all speculation, but I also wonder if he agreed to that contract restructure under the impression that his agent told him something like, "Don't worry, they're just shuffling around money, you're still going to get paid what you're supposed to get paid." And then he signed, maybe the agent misinterpreted the language of the contract or perhaps the Bills were like, "Nah, we needed him to take a pay cut, we won't be making up for that cut in bonuses or anything" and that's what tipped Richie off, because after that, he fired his agent and started trying to play games with the Bills. 

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

It's all speculation, but I also wonder if he agreed to that contract restructure under the impression that his agent told him something like, "Don't worry, they're just shuffling around money, you're still going to get paid what you're supposed to get paid." And then he signed, maybe the agent misinterpreted the language of the contract or perhaps the Bills were like, "Nah, we needed him to take a pay cut, we won't be making up for that cut in bonuses or anything" and that's what tipped Richie off, because after that, he fired his agent and started trying to play games with the Bills. 

 

 

That would be a HUUUUUGE offense and MAJOR story. That is almost certainly not what happened. 

 

Instead of assuming that someone at the top of a complicated profession was either hopelessly incompetent or nefariously duped him - I’m going to stick with the guy that’s had decades of extremely erratic behavior is the person creating this erratic situation 

[Kemp]

17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Eric Wood?  The guy I referred to that way?  Well of course I don't know the man personally, but his life looks kinda normal from here.

Married six years, kids, charitable foundation in memory of his late brother, never in any trouble off field or in the locker room that's known.

 

His press conference on retirement was kinda bizarre but not bizarre enough to take away from the above IMO.  Oh, and I seem to recall some years back he expressed the desire to acquire a miniature pony.  Does that disqualify him?

 

Or, maybe you just weren't reading a post very carefully?

 

Perhaps not if you believe Incognito to not be a good family man. If that is your point I was mistaken. If you believe Incognito to be a good family man, than I was right.

 

So, please clarify for me.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

OMG! He’s been doing this his whole life.  Why do people keep defending a guy who has been a terrible person most of his life?  Because he is a good blocker?

 

again,  if this is a one time thing like Zay Jones, I get compassion.  But this guy has been awful to a lot of people most of his life. Then, he took a giant ? on the Bills.  Stop defending him.  

 

That said, I hope he gets medicated Ike Tyson because that is a scary thought to have a large crazy man with not much to do walking around angry.

 

I guess I'm not clear on the concern about "his whole life" bit.  Many mental health issues develop in a person's teens or twenties, and then persist through the person's entire life.  In certain forms, they make the person do terrible things and basically behave like a jerk.  Of course, sometimes jerks don't have medical diagnoses, they're just jerks.  But since Incognito has actually spoken publically about being treated for mental health issues, the benefit of the doubt seems called for.

 

I do see some people defending Incognito with regard to his contract - he didn't sign, he didn't understand, how dare the Bills, etc

 

I don't see anyone defending his erratic or threatening behavior outside the football field, but maybe I'm just missing it.

4 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Perhaps not if you believe Incognito to not be a good family man. If that is your point I was mistaken. If you believe Incognito to be a good family man, than I was right.

 

So, please clarify for me.

 

I thought it was reasonably clear, but evidently I was mistaken.  Here it is again.

 

"Reasonably normal family man like Eric Wood" talks with relish about doing things on football field that are illegal in other contexts.

 

Richie Incognito (note: not referred to as "reasonably normal family man") does things that are considered illegal even on football field  - a place where, per Eric Wood, things are allowed that are "severely illegal" anywhere else.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[row_33]

"involuntary mental evaluation"

 

Does this stay on your permanent record?

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[jrober38]

I'd bet my life savings on him having an advanced case of CTE. 

 

The guy's brain clearly isn't functioning properly and it will only continue to get worse. 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

I'd bet my life savings on him having an advanced case of CTE. 

 

The guy's brain clearly isn't functioning properly and it will only continue to get worse. 

 

Erratic behavior is something he's been exhibiting for a number of years. 

[jrober38]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Erratic behavior is something he's been exhibiting for a number of years. 

 

You don't get CTE overnight. It's a degenerative brain disease that some athletes in high school display symptoms of. 

 

Think of how many hits to the head he's taken over the past 20 years. Probably tens of thousands. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

You don't get CTE overnight. It's a degenerative brain disease that some athletes in high school display symptoms of. 

 

Think of how many hits to the head he's taken over the past 20 years. Probably tens of thousands. 

 

Could be a CTE thing or maybe a combination of factors.  Whatever it is he needs to seek help before he harms himself and others. 

[jrober38]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Could be a CTE thing or maybe a combination of factors.  Whatever it is he needs to seek help before he harms himself and others. 

 

I agree I hope he doesn't harm anyone else. That would be awful and him picking a fight at a gym and throwing dumb bells at people seems like he came awfully close. 

 

Unfortunately if he has CTE, it's just going to keep getting worse and there's nothing that can be done to stop it. 

 

Humans aren't meant to play football. When I read stories like this I feel extremely guilty for watching a sport that might provide players with high salaries and a great lifestyle, but it's too often at the expense of not being able to be a functioning member of society after they retire. 

[#34fan]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Could be a CTE thing or maybe a combination of factors.  Whatever it is he needs to seek help before he harms himself and others. 

 

Depending on who you ask, he's already harmed others... I wonder what kind of help it would take?  What if he's just an unredeemable GOON?...

[Doc]

Hopped-up on Shroom Tech?

[Marv's Neighbor]

So maybe he has some hidden QB tendencies?  Who knew!

[Lurker]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/05/24/richie-incognito-altered-paranoid-state-police-responded/641380002/

 

Sounds reasonable to me... 

 

“There's a guy walking around with head phones on," Incognito said. "I'm running NSA class level 3 documents through my phone. I can't have anybody (with) bluetooth capability ... taking pictures of me."

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I agree I hope he doesn't harm anyone else. That would be awful and him picking a fight at a gym and throwing dumb bells at people seems like he came awfully close. 

 

Unfortunately if he has CTE, it's just going to keep getting worse and there's nothing that can be done to stop it. 

 

Humans aren't meant to play football. When I read stories like this I feel extremely guilty for watching a sport that might provide players with high salaries and a great lifestyle, but it's too often at the expense of not being able to be a functioning member of society after they retire. 

Don't feel guilty until they do a toxicology report.

Just now, Doc said:

Hopped-up on Shroom Tech?

Haven't you heard?

[row_33]

46 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

So maybe he has some hidden QB tendencies?  Who knew!

 

third on the depth chart right now

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

third on the depth chart right now

 

?...decisions, decisions.

[row_33]

9 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

?...decisions, decisions.

 

 

i like more amusing controversies in the offseason

 

[Rochesterfan]

58 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

I'd bet my life savings on him having an advanced case of CTE. 

 

The guy's brain clearly isn't functioning properly and it will only continue to get worse. 

 

 

Could be, but I would not bet anything on it.

 

This pattern of behavior has been occurring since his high school days and he has been treated for mental illness in the past.

 

Typically drugs used to balance brain chemistry are pretty tough to keep in a good balance and they are especially vulnerable to other drug interactions like alcohol abuse - which he also has a history off.

 

I would guess we are seeing the effects of him either no longer taking his meds properly or him needing an adjustment and that has lead to erratic behavior since the end of last season.  

 

Now or if you want to say some of the hits to the head and maybe even a hit late last year exacerbated the issues - I could live with that, but this is not a strictly CTE reaction since this has been occurring since his teens.

53 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Humans aren't meant to play football. When I read stories like this I feel extremely guilty for watching a sport that might provide players with high salaries and a great lifestyle, but it's too often at the expense of not being able to be a functioning member of society after they retire. 

 

I do not feel bad about watching it.  I know a number of ex players that are living an excellent life after football.  There are some/many bad cases, but there are just as many or more that are living a great life, but we just do not hear or care to talk about them.

 

Many ex players have allowed their kids to go on and play the sport and it is a love affair they have with the game - the more vocal minority say I would never let my kid play and that gets the headlines.

 

I feel horrible for the ex players that go through things like this, but I also feel both the league and especially the new generation of players need to do a better job of helping the older generations out and being honest with themselves and their doctors.

[DefenseWins]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/24/richie-incognito-told-police-hes-involved-with-the-nsa-being-tracked-by-government/

 

Don't know if this has already been posted but...

 

 

[Fadingpain]

43 minutes ago, DefenseWins said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/24/richie-incognito-told-police-hes-involved-with-the-nsa-being-tracked-by-government/

 

Don't know if this has already been posted but...

 

 

Holy cow, he may actually be full-on looney tunes.

 

Like headed to an asylum looney tunes.

 

Sorry to hear this.

 

I have to say, I detected absolutely NONE of that sort of thing listening to many interviews/comments from him during his 2nd tenure with the Bills.  He actually seemed quite intelligent and well spoken for a pro football player.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Holy cow, he may actually be full-on looney tunes.

 

Like headed to an asylum looney tunes.

 

Sorry to hear this.

 

I have to say, I detected absolutely NONE of that sort of thing listening to many interviews/comments from him during his 2nd tenure with the Bills.  He actually seemed quite intelligent and well spoken for a pro football player.

 

It may not have been there in interviews during his tenure with the Bills.  He may have either stopped taking his meds this offseason, or started/stepped up abusing alcohol/street drugs in a way that interfered with the meds or created “interesting” side effects.

 

And yep, shades of “Beautiful Mind”.  We may now have the answer to several questions, including why the Bills were unenthusiastic to renegotiate and when he un-retired, decided to just part ways.

 

 

[DefenseWins]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It may not have been there in interviews during his tenure with the Bills.  He may have either stopped taking his meds this offseason, or started/stepped up abusing alcohol/street drugs in a way that interfered with the meds or created “interesting” side effects.

 

And yep, shades of “Beautiful Mind”.  We may now have the answer to several questions, including why the Bills were unenthusiastic to renegotiate and when he un-retired, decided to just part ways.

 

 

 

Richie and Zay would be real interesting together on a Saturday night on the town...