Bills Post Draft OL depth

[RocCityRoller]

So, the Bills went D heavy this draft, but did get a potential franchise QB in Allen, and have McCarron/ Peterman to hold the fort until he is ready.

 

We lost 60% of our starters this off season due to trades and retirements. It's a big rebuild on the O-line.

 

Let's look at our current depth (UDFA included) to see where the Bills stand now on O-line

 

Center:

Russell Bodine             6-3  308  25  5th  North Carolina (4th RD Bengals, 4 yr starter for the Bengals)

Ryan Groy                     6-5  320  27  5th  Wisconsin (UDFA 2014 Bears, spelled Eric wood for multiple games in 2016, considered C/G)

Adam Redmond          6-6  300  24  1st  Harvard (UDFA 2016 Indy, on and off practice squad before Bills signed him, considered C/G)

 

Guards:

Vlad Ducasse                6-5  329  30  9th UMASS (2nd NYJ, played LT in college, journeyman, solid G per PFF)

John Miller                    6-3  315  24  4th Louisville (3rd BUF, named among PFF most improved players between 2015 and 2016, didn't fit zone scheme 2017)

Wyatt Teller                   6-4  314  23  R  VA Tech  (5th BUF, All ACC)

Ike Boettger                   6-6  310  xx  R  Iowa (UDFA BUF, Played both G/T, many injuries, never found a position, 5.39 grade)

 

Tackles:

Dion Dawkins                6-5  320  24  2nd Temple (2nd BUF, originally considered a LG or RT prospect, played LT in 11 games out of need in 2017 and held his own)

Jordan Mills                  6-5  316  27  6th  LA Tech (5th CHI, journeyman with DAL and DET before landing with Bills. RT since 2015)

Connor McDermott      6-8  320  25  2nd  UCLA (6th NE, 2nd team PAC12 at LT, 4.98 grade)

Marshall Newhouse     6-4  330  29  8th  TCU (5th GB, starting LT in 2011-2012 when Pack went 15-1 and 11-5, Journeyman until 2017 Raiders started 14 games at RT)

De'Ondre Wesley          6-6  331  25  3  BYU (UDFA BAL, 0 starts)

Gerhard de Beer           6-7  262  xx  R  AZ (UDFA BUF, 4.8 grade)

Mo Porter                      6-6  310  xx  R  Baylor (UDFA BUF, LT in senior season, ungraded)

 

I would build the line as

 

LT - Dawkins/Newhouse

LG - Groy/Teller

C - Bodine/ Groy

RG - Miller/ Ducasse

RT- Mills/ Newhouse

 

Key Reserves:

C/G - Groy, Redmond

G - Ducasse

T -Newhouse

 

PS - McDermott and Porter

 

I think O-line was missed during the 4th and early 5th rounds, I hope those picks work out.

 

What would you do?

 

[snamsnoops]

10 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

So, the Bills went D heavy this draft, but did get a potential franchise QB in Allen, and have McCarron/ Peterman to hold the fort until he is ready.

 

We lost 60% of our starters this off season due to trades and retirements. It's a big rebuild on the O-line.

 

Let's look at our current depth (UDFA included) to see where the Bills stand now on O-line

 

Center:

Russell Bodine             6-3  308  25  5th  North Carolina (4th RD Bengals, 4 yr starter for the Bengals)

Ryan Groy                     6-5  320  27  5th  Wisconsin (UDFA 2014 Bears, spelled Eric wood for multiple games in 2016, considered C/G)

Adam Redmond          6-6  300  24  1st  Harvard (UDFA 2016 Indy, on and off practice squad before Bills signed him, considered C/G)

 

Guards:

Vlad Ducasse                6-5  329  30  9th UMASS (2nd NYJ, played LT in college, journeyman, solid G per PFF)

John Miller                    6-3  315  24  4th Louisville (3rd BUF, named among PFF most improved players between 2015 and 2016, didn't fit zone scheme 2017)

Wyatt Teller                   6-4  314  23  R  VA Tech  (5th BUF, All ACC)

Ike Boettger                   6-6  310  xx  R  Iowa (UDFA BUF, Played both G/T, many injuries, never found a position, 5.39 grade)

 

Tackles:

Dion Dawkins                6-5  320  24  2nd Temple (2nd BUF, originally considered a LG or RT prospect, played LT in 11 games out of need in 2017 and held his own)

Jordan Mills                  6-5  316  27  6th  LA Tech (5th CHI, journeyman with DAL and DET before landing with Bills. RT since 2015)

Connor McDermott      6-8  320  25  2nd  UCLA (6th NE, 2nd team PAC12 at LT, 4.98 grade)

Marshall Newhouse     6-4  330  29  8th  TCU (5th GB, starting LT in 2011-2012 when Pack went 15-1 and 11-5, Journeyman until 2017 Raiders started 14 games at RT)

De'Ondre Wesley          6-6  331  25  3  BYU (UDFA BAL, 0 starts)

Gerhard de Beer           6-7  262  xx  R  AZ (UDFA BUF, 4.8 grade)

Mo Porter                      6-6  310  xx  R  Baylor (UDFA BUF, LT in senior season, ungraded)

 

I would build the line as

 

LT - Dawkins/Newhouse

LG - Groy/Teller

C - Bodine/ Groy

RG - Miller/ Ducasse

RT- Mills/ Newhouse

 

Key Reserves:

C/G - Groy, Redmond

G - Ducasse

T -Newhouse

 

PS - McDermott and Porter

 

I think O-line was missed during the 4th and early 5th rounds, I hope those picks work out.

 

What would you do?

 

I would wait until they start at least practicing. A lot of unknowns   too many new faces and offense. 

[PromoTheRobot]

Don't sleep on DeBeer.

[RocCityRoller]

9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Don't sleep on DeBeer.

 

He's so light at 260-270 though....

[MJS]

It'll work out. I don't think it is as bad as most people think.

 

Not a steller line, but it will get us through the year until we can truly fill holes next off-season.

[MiltonWaddams]

18 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Don't sleep on DeBeer.

I slept on it last night and am paying this morning. Advil and Gatorade, here I come....

[Big Blitz]

I see what you you're thinking.....get the best 5 out there which may mean Bodine at Center.  

 

But I think they want Groy there.  

 

And they are going to want Teller to start....not force it, just hope he wins LG.  

 

Dawkins--Teller---Groy---VladMiller---Mills

 

Depth:

Bodine 

VladMiller 

McDermott

 

We need another depth tackle.  Badly.  

 

I'm going to say that Tackle is a bigger need right now than WR.  100 percent no doubt in my mind.  

[Seanbillsfan2206]

The line is going to be better than people think. They just need to gel

[billsredneck1]

45 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

LT - Dawkins/Newhouse

LG - Groy/Teller

C - Bodine/ Groy

RG - Miller/ Ducasse

RT- Mills/ Newhouse

i think it may eventually shake out like this...

 

dawkins / teller /bodine/groy/ newhouse

 

i really like the teller/ richie 2.0 pick

[LEBills]

I think they have really high hopes for McDermott to take the RT spot. That’s my hope too.

[billsredneck1]

Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

The line is going to be better than people think. They just need to gel

yep and the sooner they put a starting line up together the better. i doubt it will be the clown show it was last year. i would still rather have someone other than juan.

[BubbaT]

I don't love this group, especially the right side of the line. I think there were so many holes to fill this year that it wasn't possible to get them all with players that are any better than depth options on most teams with good offenses.. I expect the 2019 draft to be heavy on OL, RB, WR, TE. 

 

[Doc]

I see the line being: Dawkins-Teller-Groy-Miller-Mills/Newhouse/McDermott.  Ducasse, Bodine and whoever loses at RT are the backups.

[RocCityRoller]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

I see what you you're thinking.....get the best 5 out there which may mean Bodine at Center.  

 

But I think they want Groy there.  

 

And they are going to want Teller to start....not force it, just hope he wins LG.  

 

Dawkins--Teller---Groy---VladMiller---Mills

 

Depth:

Bodine 

VladMiller 

McDermott

 

We need another depth tackle.  Badly.  

 

 

Don't disagree with you at all. There is every chance Teller becomes a day one starter at LG. I'm also not sure McBeane moves a 4 year starter from a playoff calibre team from C.

 

Groy has become an essential cog in the O-line with the departures. The C/G situation looks to be ok.

 

I agree T is a mess. I don't like Dawkins as a full time LT (trading Glenn was dumb), and Mills at RT is a rash we can't seem to shake unless Newhouse steps up.

Another real OT is needed.

 

This is also why I didn't like the 4th and 5th round. OT's Richardson and Jones were there for the taking.

If the Bills went Richardson in the 4th that is an immediate upgrade on Mills or at least depth.

Grab Taron Johnson in the 5th (trade the 7th to move up) or resign CB L Johnson to be the nickle and then get OG Teller.

 

It always amazes me how much Defensive coaches undervalue O-Line since that is what they scheme around.

 

[frostbitmic]

LT - Dawkins

LG - Ducasse ... Hopefully to be replaced by Teller at some point

C - Groy

RG - Miller

RT - Newhouse

 

Backups - Mills, Teller, Bodine

 

PS - McDermott, De Beer (with his size and atleticism, switch him to TE)

[Kirby Jackson]

Dawkins - Teller - Groy - Miller - McDermott

 

reserves: Bodine, Ducasse, Mills

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Knowing these coaches I bet it starts out: Dawkins-Groy-Bodine-Duke ASS-Mills

[billsredneck1]

there's no way bodine is not going to play center, especially having played with a.j. he didn't give up a single sack last year and in that division...he should make the pro bowl in the afce.

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

Knowing these coaches I bet it starts out: Dawkins-Groy-Bodine-Duke ASS-Mills

 

I bet you are right, but I will say I think RT could be any of Mills/Newhouse/McDermott.

To start the season the other 4 are probably the starters.

 

I do think by the end of the season it could look a lot different.

Groy is a FA at the end of the year.  I wonder how they really feel about him.

[billsredneck1]

7 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

Knowing these coaches I bet it starts out: Dawkins-Groy-Bodine-Duke ASS-Mills

newhouse has to be way better than mills. newhouse has a really good background, imo it could only be an age thing that he get's beat out of that job. i think mills has hit his ceiling....and that ain't saying much...and btw...re-visit the la game. i would have cut him after that.

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

there's no way bodine is not going to play center, especially having played with a.j. he didn't give up a single sack last year and in that division...he should make the pro bowl in the afce.

 

I agree about him being the Center but not about the pro-bowl.

He should be serviceable at best like he was in CIN.

[Putin]

53 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

He's so light at 260-270 though....

I’m not a fan of light de Beer 

[RocCityRoller]

15 minutes ago, Putin said:

I’m not a fan of light de Beer 

 

Who likes Light de Beer? No One!

 

PS thanks to all. We are having a good conversation about the O-line. It's not as bleak as it looked, but I think we agree OT is an area of need.

Plenty of solid options at C/G

[Doc]

43 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

there's no way bodine is not going to play center, especially having played with a.j. he didn't give up a single sack last year and in that division...he should make the pro bowl in the afce.

 

If he didn't give up a sack last year, why does everyone say he sucks?  Did the other guys cover for him?  Was he just lucky?

[billspro]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Don't sleep on DeBeer.

 

I wouldn’t sleep on Groy or the Iowa guard Boettger. Both of those guys

come from oline factories. I think Groy especially deserves a chance, it wouldn’t surprise me if he was a top ten guard next season.

[oldmanfan]

If this rookie can take one of the guard spots, we'll be better.  Ducasse actually played fairly well the last part of last season, and Groy really wasn't much of a drop off if any from Wood two seasons ago.  Dawkins will be fine at LT, and RT continues to be an area where someone has to step up.

 

overall not great but not horrid

[billsredneck1]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

If he didn't give up a sack last year, why does everyone say he sucks?  Did the other guys cover for him?  Was he just lucky?

i don't know, but i can't recall the guards for the bengals...so maybe they're not household pro bowl names.

[richardb1952]

DeBeer is Currently measuring in at 6-foot-7 and 312 pounds.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

The Patriots don't draft O-line because they teach everyone how to hold without getting caught. You dont need elite O-Line talent when you do that. I've rewatched the super bowl 5 times and the offensive holding that both teams get away with is the most that I have seen in any Super Bowl.

[MrEpsYtown]

I still think it makes sense to go sign Luke Joeckel to play LG and have the rest of the guys compete. I'm hoping and praying McDermott wins the RT job and Newhouse is the swing guy who could also play guard. Mills goes and bags groceries somewhere, 

 

I dont think they will will have their backup center be a starter elsewhere so I think one of Groy or Bodine start, or they both start and they keep another C who can play guard to backup. In my world...

 

Dawkins

Joeckel

Groy 

Tiller

McDermott

 

Backups

Bodine

Newhouse

Miller or Vlad

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

2 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

So, the Bills went D heavy this draft, but did get a potential franchise QB in Allen, and have McCarron/ Peterman to hold the fort until he is ready.

 

We lost 60% of our starters this off season due to trades and retirements. It's a big rebuild on the O-line.

 

Let's look at our current depth (UDFA included) to see where the Bills stand now on O-line

 

Center:

Russell Bodine             6-3  308  25  5th  North Carolina (4th RD Bengals, 4 yr starter for the Bengals)

Ryan Groy                     6-5  320  27  5th  Wisconsin (UDFA 2014 Bears, spelled Eric wood for multiple games in 2016, considered C/G)

Adam Redmond          6-6  300  24  1st  Harvard (UDFA 2016 Indy, on and off practice squad before Bills signed him, considered C/G)

 

Guards:

Vlad Ducasse                6-5  329  30  9th UMASS (2nd NYJ, played LT in college, journeyman, solid G per PFF)

John Miller                    6-3  315  24  4th Louisville (3rd BUF, named among PFF most improved players between 2015 and 2016, didn't fit zone scheme 2017)

Wyatt Teller                   6-4  314  23  R  VA Tech  (5th BUF, All ACC)

Ike Boettger                   6-6  310  xx  R  Iowa (UDFA BUF, Played both G/T, many injuries, never found a position, 5.39 grade)

 

Tackles:

Dion Dawkins                6-5  320  24  2nd Temple (2nd BUF, originally considered a LG or RT prospect, played LT in 11 games out of need in 2017 and held his own)

Jordan Mills                  6-5  316  27  6th  LA Tech (5th CHI, journeyman with DAL and DET before landing with Bills. RT since 2015)

Connor McDermott      6-8  320  25  2nd  UCLA (6th NE, 2nd team PAC12 at LT, 4.98 grade)

Marshall Newhouse     6-4  330  29  8th  TCU (5th GB, starting LT in 2011-2012 when Pack went 15-1 and 11-5, Journeyman until 2017 Raiders started 14 games at RT)

De'Ondre Wesley          6-6  331  25  3  BYU (UDFA BAL, 0 starts)

Gerhard de Beer           6-7  262  xx  R  AZ (UDFA BUF, 4.8 grade)

Mo Porter                      6-6  310  xx  R  Baylor (UDFA BUF, LT in senior season, ungraded)

 

I would build the line as

 

LT - Dawkins/Newhouse

LG - Groy/Teller

C - Bodine/ Groy

RG - Miller/ Ducasse

RT- Mills/ Newhouse

 

Key Reserves:

C/G - Groy, Redmond

G - Ducasse

T -Newhouse

 

PS - McDermott and Porter

 

I think O-line was missed during the 4th and early 5th rounds, I hope those picks work out.

 

What would you do?

 

 

It's not a great Oline but not the worst either, I thought both Teller and De Beer were solid gets for us, teller will most certainly push those in front of him imo but in the end I think the Oline you have listed is exactly what it will be at the start of the season LT Dawkins, LG Groy, OC Bodine, RG Miller, RT Mills.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....food for thought and probably a baseless opinion....McBeane waited for the UFA feeding frenzy and dust to settle when agents come looking to get their clients employed who were not signed.....a/k/a McCarron and got him on HIS terms.....wouldn't surprise me one bit if McBeane is hiding in the bushes waiting for pre  or post June 1 cuts to grab OL vets on a one year deal when their agents come calling for work....nice way to groom these young kids.....just a hunch.........

[Buffalo Boy]

3 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

So, the Bills went D heavy this draft, but did get a potential franchise QB in Allen, and have McCarron/ Peterman to hold the fort until he is ready.

 

We lost 60% of our starters this off season due to trades and retirements. It's a big rebuild on the O-line.

 

Let's look at our current depth (UDFA included) to see where the Bills stand now on O-line

 

Center:

Russell Bodine             6-3  308  25  5th  North Carolina (4th RD Bengals, 4 yr starter for the Bengals)

Ryan Groy                     6-5  320  27  5th  Wisconsin (UDFA 2014 Bears, spelled Eric wood for multiple games in 2016, considered C/G)

Adam Redmond          6-6  300  24  1st  Harvard (UDFA 2016 Indy, on and off practice squad before Bills signed him, considered C/G)

 

Guards:

Vlad Ducasse                6-5  329  30  9th UMASS (2nd NYJ, played LT in college, journeyman, solid G per PFF)

John Miller                    6-3  315  24  4th Louisville (3rd BUF, named among PFF most improved players between 2015 and 2016, didn't fit zone scheme 2017)

Wyatt Teller                   6-4  314  23  R  VA Tech  (5th BUF, All ACC)

Ike Boettger                   6-6  310  xx  R  Iowa (UDFA BUF, Played both G/T, many injuries, never found a position, 5.39 grade)

 

Tackles:

Dion Dawkins                6-5  320  24  2nd Temple (2nd BUF, originally considered a LG or RT prospect, played LT in 11 games out of need in 2017 and held his own)

Jordan Mills                  6-5  316  27  6th  LA Tech (5th CHI, journeyman with DAL and DET before landing with Bills. RT since 2015)

Connor McDermott      6-8  320  25  2nd  UCLA (6th NE, 2nd team PAC12 at LT, 4.98 grade)

Marshall Newhouse     6-4  330  29  8th  TCU (5th GB, starting LT in 2011-2012 when Pack went 15-1 and 11-5, Journeyman until 2017 Raiders started 14 games at RT)

De'Ondre Wesley          6-6  331  25  3  BYU (UDFA BAL, 0 starts)

Gerhard de Beer           6-7  262  xx  R  AZ (UDFA BUF, 4.8 grade)

Mo Porter                      6-6  310  xx  R  Baylor (UDFA BUF, LT in senior season, ungraded)

 

I would build the line as

 

LT - Dawkins/Newhouse

LG - Groy/Teller

C - Bodine/ Groy

RG - Miller/ Ducasse

RT- Mills/ Newhouse

 

Key Reserves:

C/G - Groy, Redmond

G - Ducasse

T -Newhouse

 

PS - McDermott and Porter

 

I think O-line was missed during the 4th and early 5th rounds, I hope those picks work out.

 

What would you do?

 

I would wait to see who gets cut later from other teams and see if I couldn’t get some Veteran help at a reasonable price.

I only know four of those names.....scary.

[Kelly the Dog]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Dawkins - Teller - Groy - Miller - McDermott

 

reserves: Bodine, Ducasse, Mills

This is what I hope it is, unless they can pick up a veteran that was cut for cap purposes or a team is loaded with young linemen. I truly hope the DuCasse and Mills experiment is over. Unfortunately, McD was talking up Mills on the press conference yesterday. 

[TPS]

They stole McDermott off of the Pats’ PS, so I doubt very much they think they can put him on their PS and not lose him. 

[Mat68]

Out of Bodine or Groy whichever tis not the center is the LG imo.  I think its Groy at Center Bodine at LG.  Come TC I would not be surprised to see Richie show back up too.

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, TPS said:

They stole McDermott off of the Pats’ PS, so I doubt very much they think they can put him on their PS and not lose him. 

 

CIN let him go and he signed with the Bills for cheap.

In this years draft the Bengals drafted their new Center in the 1st round with the pick we traded up with Glenn.

He Has been at best serviceable.  Maybe he can improve in a new environment.

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

This is what I hope it is, unless they can pick up a veteran that was cut for cap purposes or a team is loaded with young linemen. I truly hope the DuCasse and Mills experiment is over. Unfortunately, McD was talking up Mills on the press conference yesterday. 

Didn’t see the interview but I’m assuming it sounded something like this, “We’re excited about Jordan. We are excited about all of our guys. He’s worked really hard this offseason and we are confident in his abilities.”

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Didn’t see the interview but I’m assuming it sounded something like this, “We’re excited about Jordan. We are excited about all of our guys. He’s worked really hard this offseason and we are confident in his abilities.”

Close. But somewhat more than that. Talked about him being one of the leaders on the team. 

[TPS]

39 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

CIN let him go and he signed with the Bills for cheap.

In this years draft the Bengals drafted their new Center in the 1st round with the pick we traded up with Glenn.

He Has been at best serviceable.  Maybe he can improve in a new environment.

I’m not talking about Bodine.