dollars 2 donuts Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) Change up here before the draft. I have stated elsewhere on TSW that I badly want Shady to stay a Bill for at least the last two years of his deal to hit the 12,000 yard mark, a milestone no Bill has ever hit. I have grown to love this guy as a back on this team and to me, and I believe to many of you, he IS a Buffalo Bill and even the face of the Buffalo Bills, therefore I really hope to have him stretch his achievements in the red, white and blue as much as possible. When you start to look at his numbers as a Bill they really are impressive. Even with the injuries in year 1 and missing the last game in year two he has 3,300 yards rushing and 1,096 yards receiving (141 receptions) for 27 TDs, with an average of 102 yards rushing and receiving in each of his 43 games. Are they mind blowing? No. However, think of the Bills teams he's played on and how important he is to their offense and their overall success. He is currently the Bills 8th all time leading rusher and with an average season of 1,150 yards he will be fourth. If he can maintain his average from the last two years he will pass Freddy for 3rd all time on the Bills rushing list at the end of 2019. I hope he can at least get to the end of his contract with the Bills with at least, 5,700 yards rushing, 250 receptions (1,800 yards receiving?) and maybe 50 TDs and (please) another playoff appearance with his first playoff victory. I think he has shown a fondness for Western New York and I would like his time here to continue to be memorable. What say you? ...Oh, and 8 days and counting. EDIT: BTW, given the numbers I've stated above I think he gets into not only the Bills WoF, but the NFL HoF as I believe that 12,000 yards rushing is the new sort of standard for entry into the Hall (and I know guys have gotten in with less, but I am just saying). Edited April 19, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Honestly, our wall of fame seems almost too easy to get on. It should only be reserved for all time Bills greats. Shady wouldn’t be here long enough for that consideration imo. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Honestly, our wall of fame seems almost too easy to get on. It should only be reserved for all time Bills greats. Shady wouldn’t be here long enough for that consideration imo. Biscuit, that is an honest opinion. Seriously, thank you man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I think he needs probably 2 more seasons of solid production and 3 here total plus another playoff berth to make it. He is a sublime talent and great player/leader just need more to get up there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP's Voice Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 For me, it isn't as much of his statistics as it is his impact to the organization (i.e. not just production on the field). Shady is borderline HOFer if he plays another 3-5 years, but I would throw Freddy on the wall before Shady. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 As a RB, I think he will have to murder at least 3 people at the same time to get on there..... 3 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Probably would need to have either at least 3 more 1000 rushing yard seasons or lead us to a historic Playoff victory with him as the unquestioned team offensive MVP of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 If he's here another 2-3 years he will be remembered as one of the best Bills running backs ever. Just not immortalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: As a RB, I think he will have to murder at least 3 people at the same time to get on there..... Sheesh dude.....SMFH..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, JP's Voice said: For me, it isn't as much of his statistics as it is his impact to the organization (i.e. not just production on the field). Shady is borderline HOFer if he plays another 3-5 years, but I would throw Freddy on the wall before Shady. He'll probably cement his HOF status this season. As for WOF, that's iffy. He's only been with the team for 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: As a RB, I think he will have to murder at least 3 people at the same time to get on there..... Ya know what, I really want to hear more peoples' opinions, but WEO may have just broken the thread right there. Brilliant, Sir. Brilliant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Honestly, our wall of fame seems almost too easy to get on. It should only be reserved for all time Bills greats. Shady wouldn’t be here long enough for that consideration imo. Agreed. A lot of people want Fred Jackson but truthfully he isn't even in the Top 5 RB's the team has had at this point. I get he is loved community wise but doesn't his name up their discredit the accomplishments of guys like Thurman, Cookie, and yes OJ (football field accomplishments)? If Shady stays another 3 years and stays around his current pace shouldn't he be up there before Fred? In general I know the drought provided very few high points and we like to romanticize the 90s teams to an unhealthy point because of it, but I would like to see a little higher standard for excellence. The only two players I really think from the last two decades that even deserve a chance to be up would by Kyle Williams and Eric Wood because they played at a pro bowl caliber level and both are in the talks to be top 3-4 ever for their position team wise. Additionally on good teams like the 1990s Bills those guys would've received far more media attention for their excellence. BUT if you said neither I wouldn't have an issue with the standard being higher either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) A solid 2-3 more years with the team should do it. But at the end of his career, I think he'll still consider himself an Eagle. So, maybe not. Edited April 18, 2018 by LeGOATski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 Additionally, to some of you do you feel Freddy should go up over Shady even if Shady passes him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 about 5 more years #1 - thomas -11,938 yards #2 - simpson - 10,183 #3 - fred - 5,646 #9 - shady - 3,300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, JP's Voice said: For me, it isn't as much of his statistics as it is his impact to the organization (i.e. not just production on the field). Shady is borderline HOFer if he plays another 3-5 years, but I would throw Freddy on the wall before Shady. But if you compare Fred to the rest of the players on the WOF his career fails in comparison even with the community aspect. I think he is romanticized because he represented the fans during the drought which is great, but the WOF is for playing excellence IMO not being a great guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, corta765 said: But if you compare Fred to the rest of the players on the WOF his career fails in comparison even with the community aspect. I think he is romanticized because he represented the fans during the drought which is great, but the WOF is for playing excellence IMO not being a great guy. I agree. Good player and great guy, but not a WOF'er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Nothing....he shouldn't be. I think Shady has been absolutely the best Offensive player since he arrived. And despite a little bit of a rough start to his public persona in Buffalo, which is understandable considering he was blindsided by the trade, he's been a terrific community member as well. The whole "incident" aside, he's been a good dude for the team. But IMHO, the WOF players are reserved for guys like Bruce, Tasker, Jimbo, Thurman and the others, who played nearly their entire career in Buffalo and made significant contributions to the team and community for many years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Additionally, to some of you do you feel Freddy should go up over Shady even if Shady passes him? If Shady has two more 1000 yd years and is here for 3 years mixed with another playoff berth then Shady goes on the WOF. People I think understate how freakin good and important Shady was last year to killing the drought and had we beat JAX his performance while injured would've been legendary. Otherwise neither should be on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FappyTheClown Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Spend more time helping elderly women cross the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) Wow, neat stat I stumbled across going over historicals for this thread. The Bills are 2nd in NFL history with the most seasons leading the League in rushing (7). Chicago leads with 16, but they have been around almost twice as long. Edited April 18, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enemarty Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 The next RB on the wall should be Ruben Brown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Like mentioned above, Shady would have had to been here longer than just the later part of his career. Great RB, no doubt. But, IMO, I'd think of him more as an Eagle than Bill once he retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Super Bowl MVP would do it for me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Honestly, our wall of fame seems almost too easy to get on. It should only be reserved for all time Bills greats. Shady wouldn’t be here long enough for that consideration imo. Well said, C. Biscuit and spot on!! Shady is a great player and will end up having a great Bills career but he doesn’t belong on there. There are multiple guys up there that don’t belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 38 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Honestly, our wall of fame seems almost too easy to get on. It should only be reserved for all time Bills greats. Shady wouldn’t be here long enough for that consideration imo. Agreed. Shady will go into the HOF as an Eagle not a Bill. As long as a player's identity is with another team then they shouldn't be on our wall of fame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photographicink Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 He's probably already going to be on it, he should go where O.J. Simpson is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, ProcessAccepted said: Agreed. Shady will go into the HOF as an Eagle not a Bill. As long as a player's identity is with another team then they shouldn't be on our wall of fame. Players go into the Hall based on their entire career and not under the banner of any particular team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Win the Superbowl and pick any part of the Stadium he wants... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I'd say 2-3 more productive seasons would get him there. Cookie Gilchrist was only here 3 years total and he's a legend to some folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photographicink Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 McCoy had his best yards per attempt with us, 4th and 5th best running yards, 2nd best total td year, 2nd best running td year, 3rd best receiving yards, 4th best total yards year with us so he has had some really good years with us and will be on the wall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I think he should be required to help us win some playoff games first. What he has done so far, is a good start towards wall of fame status. But he still has a lot of work to do, and not a lot of time left to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: Agreed. Shady will go into the HOF as an Eagle not a Bill. As long as a player's identity is with another team then they shouldn't be on our wall of fame. I was going to go with "a ladder" but I think this sums it up better. I don't see it as a pure statistical achievement. He needs to be defined as a great Bill not just a great player who played for the Bills. As Augie said, leading us to a SB would go a long way. As others have said, it's going to be tough because he lacks longevity as a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 superbowl win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Shady is too old to be able to do enough to earn a spot on the wall. As it is, Gilchrest has no business being up there. At all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Honestly, our wall of fame seems almost too easy to get on. It should only be reserved for all time Bills greats. Shady wouldn’t be here long enough for that consideration imo. That's right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 About five more seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: About five more seasons I'll tell ya, I'd take even a simple 1,100 yard annual rushing average from this guy if he were to stick around until the end of 2022. He would be third all time in NFL history, ahead of Barry Sanders and behind Walter Payton. 8,800 rushing and likely more than 10 or 11 thousand all purposes yards as a Bill. ...maybe occurring in 2022 around the same date as when we are putting Eric Wood on the Bills Wall of Fame. Edited April 18, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 It would take at least 3 more seasons playing at a reasonably high level and retiring as a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Change up here before the draft. I have stated elsewhere on TSW that I badly want Shady to stay a Bill for at least the last two years of his deal to hit the 12,000 yard mark, a milestone no Bill has ever hit. I have grown to love this guy as a back on this team and to me, and I believe to many of you, he IS a Buffalo Bill and even the face of the Buffalo Bills, therefore I really hope to have him stretch his achievements in the red, white and blue as much as possible. When you start to look at his numbers as a Bill they really are impressive. Even with the injuries in year 1 and missing the last game in year two he has 3,300 yards rushing and 1,096 yards receiving (141 receptions) for 27 TDs, with an average of 102 yards rushing and receiving in each of his 43 games. Are they mind blowing? No. However, think of the Bills teams he's played on and how important he is to their offense and their overall success. He is currently the Bills 8th all time leading rusher and with an average season of 1,150 yards he will be fourth. If he can maintain his average from the last two years he will pass Freddy for 3rd all time on the Bills rushing list at the end of 2019. I hope he can at least get to the end of his contract with the Bills with at least, 5,700 yards rushing, 250 receptions (1,800 yards receiving?) and maybe 50 TDs and (please) another playoff appearance with his first playoff victory. I think he has shown a fondness for Western New York and I would like his time here to continue to be memorable. What say you? ...Oh, and 8 days and counting. EDIT: BTW, given the numbers I've stated above I think he gets into not on the Bills WoF, but the NFL HoF as I believe that 12,000 yards rushing is the new sort of standard for entry into the Hall (and I know guys have gotten in with less, but I am just saying). Thurman has over 12k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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