Jeremiah and Brooks: Josh Rosen Could Slide; Colts Looking to Trade

[26CornerBlitz]

2018 NFL Draft: Josh Rosen could slide; Colts looking to trade

With 10 days to go until the 2018 NFL Draft, I spoke to several sources around the league this weekend as I gathered intel for my next mock draft (dropping on Tuesday). Now, I'm always a little skeptical of the buzz this time of year with so much draft misinformation being circulated, but when I'm hearing the same things from at least a few different teams, I give it a little more validity. Here are 10 things I'm hearing from multiple clubs.

 

1) Josh Rosen is the QB most likely to slide: Everyone I've talked to around the league believes there will be three quarterbacks selected within the first five picks of the draft. That means someone out of the "big four" QBs -- USC's Sam Darnold, Wyoming's Josh Allen, Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield and UCLA's Rosen -- could slide a little bit. When I bring up this topic with personnel executives, Rosen is the one they point to as the most likely slider of the group. I personally believe Rosen is the second-best quarterback in the draft class behind Darnold, but the former Bruins QB might fall out of the top 10. Why? Part of it comes back to the durability concerns for Rosen that we've heard about throughout the process. We'll continue to hear people question his intangibles as a leader, but that's far less of a concern than the fact that he missed half his sophomore year with a shoulder injury and suffered two concussions last season.

 

3) Colts are looking to trade down again: The Colts' roster is in bad shape and many around the league expect them to trade down from the No. 6 spot to gain more draft picks. As you'll recall, Indianapolis traded down from the No. 3 spot in a deal with the Jets last month. I would keep an eye on teams like the Bills and Cardinals as potential trade partners should their quarterback of choice make it to Indy's pick at No. 6.

 

8) Bills could go heavy on OL: The Bills have an obvious need for a long-term answer at the quarterback position, but they also have several holes to fill along the offensive line. They've lost three key starters in the offseason: Eric Wood (injury), Cordy Glenn (traded to Bengals) and Richie Incognito (placed on reserve/retired list). If they don't trade up for a quarterback, expect them to heavily address the offensive line in the first three rounds.

Edited April 16, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[DCOrange]

We’ve come a long way from everyone freaking out when mock draft guys started pegging Rosen outside the top 10

[C.Biscuit97]

OMG, let’s just get to the draft to stop all this nonsense.  

[KDIGGZ]

i hope nobody in the top 5 trades with us and Rosen is there at 6.  wow that would be so amazing

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

i hope nobody in the top 5 trades with us and Rosen is there at 6.  wow that would be so amazing

that would be great for us.  I would be pumped if we could get a QB and improve many other positions as well

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

i hope nobody in the top 5 trades with us and Rosen is there at 6.  wow that would be so amazing

Best case scenario, provided we beef up the oline and are confident about the durability issues.

[BillsFan17]

Yeah, as we get closer to the draft, the arguably best in the draft is most likely to slide... aka teams hoping someone does trade up and draft him.

 

I'll take Rosen all day.

[Pete]

And I think it would be wonderful to build our oline.  Dawkins is 23.  Let's add a few other youngsters and play smash mouth

[whatdrought]

I don't love Rosen, but I would honestly be happy with any of the top four between 7-12. Just don't want to get to #2 unless we absolutely must. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Pete said:

And I think it would be wonderful to build our oline.  Dawkins is 23.  Let's add a few other youngsters and play smash mouth

Maybe run a wishbone?  While the rest of the league zigs, we’ll zag.

[CuddyDark]

Unless the Browns take Allen I believe 2 QBs will be outside the top 10. I've always believed Allen and Rosen were vastly overrated and are not top 10 QBs. Teams could trade up, we'll see.

[Chuck Wagon]

12 / 53 / 96 to land Rosen would be amazing.  That leaves enough to potentially add 3 more starters with 22 / 56 / 65.

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, Pete said:

And I think it would be wonderful to build our oline.  Dawkins is 23.  Let's add a few other youngsters and play smash mouth

I think they will address the QB problem first, then add to the OL later in the draft. 

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Maybe run a wishbone?  While the rest of the league zigs, we’ll zag.

or we have 10 minute TD drives to run out game.

 

For all this talk about it being a QB league- where is the scoring?  Where are the huge WR stats?  AJ and Julio each had a huge game.  There were not many others this season.  Not compared to the past 10.  There are all these ticky tack penalties called.  They try and handcuff CBs as much as they can and yet the scoring is not there.  I say BS it is a QB league.  It helps.  But it is not the be all, end all.  Give me playmakers.  Give me balance and depth. Give me two good lines and a great defense and special teams.  

[qwksilver]

Peter King also said Rosen could slide....

[JohnC]

8 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I don't love Rosen, but I would honestly be happy with any of the top four between 7-12. Just don't want to get to #2 unless we absolutely must. 

You make a good point that instead of going all out and depleting your draft resources to move up to the 2 spot wait a little and see who will be available at between the 5-10. Then you can make a better value deal. As an example I would have no problem giving up an additional first round pick to Denver or Indianapolis and still have a full complement of picks that addresses other needs. If the Bills come out of this draft with a Rosen or Mayfield and a near full draft you won't hear me complaining. 

 

How many western society is collapsing threads do you think the Thurmonator will start if the Bills select Rosen? Let the unceasing character assassination begin! 

[mjt328]

These guys need to define the term "slide."

 

Are they saying Josh Rosen could get past the Denver Broncos at #5?

Or are they saying Rosen could still be available to us at #22?

 

I would be shocked beyond belief if Rosen doesn't go Top 10.

[RochesterRob]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You make a good point that instead of going all out and depleting your draft resources to move up to the 2 spot wait a little and see who will be available at between the 5-10. Then you can make a better value deal. As an example I would have no problem giving up an additional first round pick to Denver or Indianapolis and still have a full complement of picks that addresses other needs. If the Bills come out of this draft with a Rosen or Mayfield and a near full draft you won't hear me complaining. 

 

How many western society is collapsing threads do you think the Thurmonator will start if the Bills select Rosen? Let the unceasing character assassination begin! 

  He will not be the only one.  The QB love here is spread over a half dozen players so expect plenty of "I'm done with this team" threads as obviously we will not take more than one.  Then there will be pages of crying if the Bills stay put at 12 and go BPA which may not be a QB. 

[26CornerBlitz]

8 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

These guys need to define the term "slide."

 

Are they saying Josh Rosen could get past the Denver Broncos at #5?

Or are they saying Rosen could still be available to us at #22?

 

I would be shocked beyond belief if Rosen doesn't go Top 10.

 

From the OP:

Everyone I've talked to around the league believes there will be three quarterbacks selected within the first five picks of the draft. That means someone out of the "big four" QBs -- USC's Sam Darnold, Wyoming's Josh Allen, Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield and UCLA's Rosen -- could slide a little bit.

[Chuck Wagon]

My biggest fear is we give a ton move into the top 5 to take Allen and Rosen slips to ~10-11

[BillsFan4]

I could definitely see Rosen sliding a bit, and that would be absolutely perfect for the Bills (assuming that they're willing to draft him, which isn't a guarantee). 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by BillsFan4

[Chuck Wagon]

I totally believe Rosen sliding though.  The ESPN piece really seemed like an agent / pr person saying "you are starting to turn into the "Manziel" of this draft, we need to get out there and flip the narratives."

[Jay_Fixit]

Rosen being selected outside of the top 10 wouldn’t surprise me.

 

As I’ve stated for months. 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

I totally believe Rosen sliding though.  The ESPN piece really seemed like an agent / pr person saying "you are starting to turn into the "Manziel" of this draft, we need to get out there and flip the narratives."

 

Poor comparison.  Manziel was a trainwreck off the field who did not display NFL QB traits while Rosen has never been in trouble and actually shows QB skills required at the NFL level.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Frank Ragnow in the 2nd and Wyatt Teller in the 3rd please. That's a great young core with Dion Dawkins.

[jr1]

a guy with 4.92 speed behind our line will die

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Poor comparison.  Manziel was a trainwreck off the field who did not display NFL QB traits while Rosen has never been in trouble and actually shows QB skills required at the NFL level.

 

 

I didn't intend a direct comparison by any means, just the sense the negative narrative buzz around his personality needed to be addressed by a PR rep and a glowing ESPN profile.

[JohnC]

5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  He will not be the only one.  The QB love here is spread over a half dozen players so expect plenty of "I'm done with this team" threads as obviously we will not take more than one.  Then there will be pages of crying if the Bills stay put at 12 and go BPA which may not be a QB. 

Zealotry is very different from having a strong opinion on a player or issue. When you get to the point of character assassinating someone just because you don't like the player for whatever reason and then keep hammering away with the same lies then that is a reflection on the person expressing the ugly thoughts. There is a big difference between being passionate and being a smear mongering scoundrel. 

[4merper4mer]

Has Connelly I mean Rosen been declared out for the season yet?

[HiddenInLight]

8 minutes ago, jr1 said:

a guy with 4.92 speed behind our line will die

 

You don't need to have a fast 40 yard dash time to be successful in the nfl.  Brady ran a 5.28.  Winston is about 4.9 as well.

[TheBeane]

3 minutes ago, HiddenInLight said:

 

You don't need to have a fast 40 yard dash time to be successful in the nfl.  Brady ran a 5.28.  Winston is about 4.9 as well.

All about being decisive with the ball and a quick delivery.

[HiddenInLight]

Just now, TheBeane said:

All about being decisive with the ball and a quick delivery.

 

This 100%.  Most of the best QBs ran in the 4.8ish range, which is not much faster then rosen.

[MarlinTheMagician]

Smerlas once said when they were chasing Kenny O'Brien of the Jets outside the pocket he would literally squeal, and then eat the ball and take the sack to protect his always-high completion percentage.  Not sure why, maybe because Mommy drove his hot tub to him, but Rosen strikes me as equally squeal worthy.  I fear, however, that instead of taking sacks like O'Brien he will start chucking it up for INTs.  And when he is criticized for INTs he blames others and also starts holding it longer and until he repeatedly gets his head driven into the ground.  Thrice concussed he then calls it quits in his third year and goes for an MBA to go with his economics degree.  Just one person's nightmare, but NO THANKS.

 

Gimme anybody else PLEASE.  I highly, highly doubt he is our guy, but if he is I will support him whole-heartedly and pray!  I fear bad things with him . . . . please become a JET!

 

 

 

 

 

If Rosen slides there will be a reason he slid.   

[Formerly Allan in MD]

1 hour ago, CuddyDark said:

Unless the Browns take Allen I believe 2 QBs will be outside the top 10. I've always believed Allen and Rosen were vastly overrated and are not top 10 QBs. Teams could trade up, we'll see.

Care to explain why Rosen is VASTLY overrated given the numbers he put up in the PAC on a team with a mediocre offensive line and average receivers?

[BillsVet]

26 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Frank Ragnow in the 2nd and Wyatt Teller in the 3rd please. That's a great young core with Dion Dawkins.

 

An offensive line with a guy name Frank is so blue collar. And we know blue collar and Buffalo go together like roast beef on a kimmelweck roll.

 

BTW, has anyone mentioned how imperative it is to get a QB who can throw in the Buffalo weather?

 

This length of this offseason is only surpassed by the length of winter in WNY.

[whatdrought]

57 minutes ago, JohnC said:

How many western society is collapsing threads do you think the Thurmonator will start if the Bills select Rosen? Let the unceasing character assassination begin! 

 

Well, I don't love Rosen's attitude either, but if he wins football games I don't care. I don't watch interviews anyways. 

Really what worries me about him is that he looks tiny and frail and has a bad history with injury. 215 is pretty small. 

 

5 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 And we know blue collar and Buffalo go together like roast beef on a kimmelweck roll.

 

Now I'm hungry. 

 

That WNY delicacy is impossible to find anywhere else. 

Edited April 16, 2018 by whatdrought

[ddaryl]

any scenario where we get a top dawg QB without giving up much more draft captial is ideal. Just coming to an agreement in what represents a top dawg is the on going debate

[whatdrought]

In other news, Rosen is one missed haircut appointment for being cast as Shaggy in a live action Scooby Doo. 

 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

In other news, Rosen is one missed haircut appointment for being cast as Shaggy in a live action Scooby Doo. 

 

Your eyes okay?

[mead107]

Riley has a better haircut