T master Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Seeing as the last decent not great QB to come out of USC was Carson Palmer i can't see why all these so called experts are saying that Darold is suppose to be this all encompassing, fantastic, super QB because if you look at the history of QB's coming out of that school its not real impressive ! Although this article says he will be more likely than all his predecessors to be a great QB. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000925604/article/why-sam-darnold-will-be-best-nfl-quarterback-to-hail-from-usc Just a few have even made it in the NFL but most have been a flop . Palmer, Lienert, Sanchez, & who ever else you can put on that list & the one from the Bills past that should be remembered most & was nothing spectacular for sure that caused some of the biggest up evil in the Bills history was from USC also Rob Johnson !! I can't really say what makes a great QB because i'm just a fan but given what history has proven most all of the great ones (except a small handful the Mannings, Elway, & who ever else once again that you all can think of) came from later picks in the draft. Most all of the great QB's have come at a better value in the draft than the first over all picks those names are easy to remember Farve, Brees, Kelly, Marino, Rogers, Wilson & on & on. I guess given the history of QB picks good & bad a like along with what the Bills have this year as far as the number of picks in the draft i hope they stay with what they have & get the guy that falls to them with a better value & not so much risk given the Bills history of moving up to get their guy hasn't been all that great of decisions for sure. GO Bills !! Edited June 8, 2018 by T master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Hot take. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Let's not evaluate individual prospects in a given draft year and instead rely on history to dictate future actions with regard to player acquisition. This is simply ridiculous! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Again with this "QBs from USC" crap? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 What about Rodney Peete? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: What about Rodney Peete? I remember him on a "wild and crazy kids" episode back in the day He couldn't hot the broadside of a barn even on a kids' sports TV show 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I understand your point and for all of us who have lived through these lean years after going through the real highs of the Jim Kelly era, know how shotgun shy we've become with QBs. But that said, you really can't have a bias against a QB simply because of the college he's played for just like you can't look at a college and assume their QBs will be NFL greats just because a few have. Otherwise, Brad Kaaya would have been Jim Kelly and taken the reigns from Stafford. That said, I for one am NOT a fan of trading UP simply because I think this QB class is not elite in terms of 1 or 2 prospects, but I do think it's deep. I think you can easily find 7 QBs who can and will do a good to great job as an NFL QB and with that in mind, you retain your picks and maybe even trade back from 22 depending on how the Draft comes to you. But, I am in the minority and that probably includes the Bills. However, as I've said elsewhere, everyone assumes all of this Draft capital is to trade UP. But Beane and company essentially showed their hand before last season and they believed they'd be a top 10 pick, without the need to trade up and STILL acquired these picks. That tells me the "original" plan was to Draft a QB in the top 10 with their pick, and use all of the other picks on remaking the roster. That means, IMHO, Beane would need to be so overwhelmingly convinced that the guy they need to trade UP for is much better than the guy they can get at 12 or later, DEMANDS they trade up. I'm not sold on that idea...that Beane believes he needs to make that jump. Maybe he does....I just don't think he's convinced at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 This is the same mindset that people expounded not to pick Orakpo because he was from Texas - where the lazy OT Williams was drafted from. Why was Maybin not a success since he came from same college as Conlan? I can see why some schemes produce players who may not succeed in the NFL but to go back 20 years with different schemes and coaches makes no sense. Zero correlation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Baker Mayfield was born on a Friday. No good QB's are born on Fridays. FACT 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Does the OP think there is a curse on USC QBs so that, no matter who they are, no matter who coaches them or who their college team mates are--they are forever doomed? Not for nothing, but the Bills putative starter is from a famous QB factory of (NFL) sadness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 You'd think after Robojoke we'd never want to see another Trojan again?...UCLA has had only 1 good qb in the last 50 years...you can't get caught up by the school. Just do your homework on the player. I still like Darnold but we're in no position to get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) From Cali, USC, and a ginger! the odds are certainly stacked! He's clearly Todd Marinovich. Edited April 10, 2018 by MrEpsYtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Baker Mayfield was born on a Friday. No good QB's are born on Fridays. FACT Link? Edited April 10, 2018 by Seanbillsfan2206 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Don't confuse coincidence with viable statistics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: You'd think after Robojoke we'd never want to see another Trojan again?...UCLA has had only 1 good qb in the last 50 years...you can't get caught up by the school. Just do your homework on the player. I still like Darnold but we're in no position to get him. I feel the same. Browns might take him #1, so if they want him, they won't trade the pick obv. If they take Allen, the Giants are heavily reported to want Darnold at #2 if Browns pass on him, meaning they won't trade the pick. We have to accept that he's not coming here, and look at Rosen, Allen, Mayfield as the "top 3" since a "top 4" doesn't exist for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Link? Friday, April 14, 1995 (age 22) Friday, August 9, 1985 (age 32) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Friday, April 14, 1995 (age 22) Friday, August 9, 1985 (age 32) Welp I guess I’m all in on Rosen now ??♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Baker Mayfield was born on a Friday. No good QB's are born on Fridays. FACT Jeff Saturday was born on a Wednesday. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Carson Wentz is a great young QB. He attended North Dakota State. We should draft every North Dakota State QB each and every year until we hit on another Carson Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Jeff Saturday was born on a Wednesday. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 49 minutes ago, T master said: Seeing as the last decent not great QB to come out of USC was Carson Palmer i can't see why all these so called experts are saying that Darold is suppose to be this all encompassing, fantastic, super QB because if you look at the history of QB's coming out of that school its not real impressive ! Although this article says he will be more likely than all his predecessors to be a great QB. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000925604/article/why-sam-darnold-will-be-best-nfl-quarterback-to-hail-from-usc Just a few have even made it in the NFL but most have been a flop . Palmer, Lienert, Sanchez, & who ever else you can put on that list & the one from the Bills past that should be remembered most & was nothing spectacular for sure that caused some of the biggest up evil in the Bills history was from USC also Rob Johnson !! I can't really say what makes a great QB because i'm just a fan but given what history has proven most all of the great ones (except a small handful the Mannings, Elway, & who ever else once again that you all can think of) came from later picks in the draft. Most all of the great QB's have come at a better value in the draft than the first over all picks those names are easy to remember Farve, Brees, Kelly, Marino, Rogers, Wilson & on & on. I guess given the history of QB picks good & bad a like along with what the Bills have this year as far as the number of picks in the draft i hope they stay with what they have & get the guy that falls to them with a better value & not so much risk given the Bills history of moving up to get their guy hasn't been all that great of decisions for sure. GO Bills !! Look at the history of QBs coming out of Wyoming, it’s even worse!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Friday, April 14, 1995 (age 22) Friday, August 9, 1985 (age 32) OMG, Baker is off the board. The guy on the bottoms throwing motion is out of sync, lazy feet, weight transfer and poor accuracy. He also had problems reading defense's locking onto his main target and letting the ball rip with very little touch on his passes. His WR's also dropped a lot of passes in college and the NFL, if I say the name of the QB in this draft that he really reminds me of I will be called ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 If you look at QBs coming out of any school it's not a good success rate. I hate this argument. You wasted so much of your time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 What I'm getting out of this thread is that Jamarcus is only 32, going on 33 this summer. If we can sign that guy I'll bet he has a good 7-8 years left, especially given the lack of hits he has taken in recent years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, TheFunPolice said: What I'm getting out of this thread is that Jamarcus is only 32, going on 33 this summer. If we can sign that guy I'll bet he has a good 7-8 years left, especially given the lack of hits he has taken in recent years! Purple Drank vs. TB12? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: Again with this "QBs from USC" crap? yeah well the Bills in our history DID draft a USC QB by the name of Dennis Shaw #16 waaay back in the day. AND today we are exactly 16 days from the 2018 NFL draft...coincidence? hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Yeah, because if one thing history has shown us, it's that where a QB went to college matters. I wonder, OP, without looking it up can you name single University with more than 1 hall of fame QB who went there or more than 1 considered a franchise QB currently? Didn't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuru4 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Miami of Ohio is a hot bed for stud qb’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Purple Drank vs. TB12? To be fair, we haven't seen the results of it on the field. For all we know, JR might be ready to start in the league now tat he has had plenty of time to learn and develop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) By reversing this logic, all RBs coming out of USC will be great. You've got OJ, Marcus Allen, Frank Gifford, et al. Ergo, it's appropriate to select Ronald Jones with Buffalo's highest pick. Sometimes this board resembles (in digital form) the scene in Monty Python's Holy Grail where they are debating whether someone is a witch. Edited April 10, 2018 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: What about Rodney Peete? https://youtu.be/Arh1l-RYYhM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: What about Rodney Peete? He ended up with a hot wife. So he has that going for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seven&nine Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Ooo! I can do this, too! Don't draft Peyton Manning because of Heath Shuler. Don't draft Aaron Rodgers because of Kyle Boller. Don't draft Andrew Luck because of Trent Edwards. That all checks out, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 hours ago, T master said: Seeing as the last decent not great QB to come out of USC was Carson Palmer i can't see why all these so called experts are saying that Darold is suppose to be this all encompassing, fantastic, super QB because if you look at the history of QB's coming out of that school its not real impressive ! Although this article says he will be more likely than all his predecessors to be a great QB. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000925604/article/why-sam-darnold-will-be-best-nfl-quarterback-to-hail-from-usc Just a few have even made it in the NFL but most have been a flop . Palmer, Lienert, Sanchez, & who ever else you can put on that list & the one from the Bills past that should be remembered most & was nothing spectacular for sure that caused some of the biggest up evil in the Bills history was from USC also Rob Johnson !! I can't really say what makes a great QB because i'm just a fan but given what history has proven most all of the great ones (except a small handful the Mannings, Elway, & who ever else once again that you all can think of) came from later picks in the draft. Most all of the great QB's have come at a better value in the draft than the first over all picks those names are easy to remember Farve, Brees, Kelly, Marino, Rogers, Wilson & on & on. I guess given the history of QB picks good & bad a like along with what the Bills have this year as far as the number of picks in the draft i hope they stay with what they have & get the guy that falls to them with a better value & not so much risk given the Bills history of moving up to get their guy hasn't been all that great of decisions for sure. GO Bills !! Logical discontinuities and false reasoning. Let me offer an analogy about a prospect from an earlier time: "Because no great boxer ever came out of Louisville, this Cassius Clay kid will never amount to much." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I'd put my money that Darnold's ceiling is probably Carson Palmer. I think he's simply got more play making ability than the other SC scrubs. Way too early to speculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 The ONLY relevance to this is that if you Quarterback a big prestigious school like USC you are likely to garner a high profile and level of attention regardless of whether you can play. It has happened in the past that this has translated to them being overrated and overdrafted but ultimately those guys fail because they are not good or go into a bad situation and can't handle it. They do not fail because they played at USC. Mark Sanchez could have played at West Tinpot State and he would still have sucked in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I'd put my money that Darnold's ceiling is probably Carson Palmer. I think he's simply got more play making ability than the other SC scrubs. Way too early to speculate. I see Darnold's ceiling as Tony Romo and his floor as Ryan Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 33 minutes ago, H2o said: I see Darnold's ceiling as Tony Romo and his floor as Ryan Fitzpatrick. I gotta admit, and maybe it's just the #14 but whenever I watched Darnold all I could see was Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 8:57 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: Let's not evaluate individual prospects in a given draft year and instead rely on history to dictate future actions with regard to player acquisition. This is simply ridiculous! Is it ridiculous though? Time after time highly touted QBs from USC come out and people say the same thing you just did. And time after time USC QBs flop. Now I fully understand that Sam Darnold is a different player and person than the guys that came before him and I will concede that I think he could be an excellent player in the NFL. But it does at least warrent a "buyer beware" tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Just now, No Place To Hyde said: Is it ridiculous though? Time after time highly touted QBs from USC come out and people say the same thing you just did. And time after time USC QBs flop. Now I fully understand that Sam Darnold is a different player and person than the guys that came before him and I will concede that I think he could be an excellent player in the NFL. But it does at least warrent a "buyer beware" tag. Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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