So if we were the Giants....

[PrimeTime101]

So lets put us in Giants shoes and look at what they have.

 

1. They have an ageing QB but he has been given 2 more years.

2. Top end RB's are nice but will this RB be top end is hard to tell and the next tier is pretty good.

3. I am guessing they are getting trade offers from more then just the Bills.

4. They also have issues on there offensive line!

 

so what do you do if you were them?

Well I will tell you what I would do..

 

One minute left on the clock on second pick in round one.. Giants choose to trade with Buffalo and bleed

us with every pick Giants can get out of us then hit there Defense hard  in the draft while getting a project QB Like Lamar Jackson early round 2.

 

In short.. If there smart? they don't make that trade till draft. There is no point in it.. there is no... Profit in it

Thus

Tighten up your whitey tighties

loosen up them boxers

Let the wind go through your hair. cause nothing is going to happen for at least another 35D 11H or so

http://www.draftcountdown.com/

[BringBackFergy]

...but we aren't.

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

...but we aren't.

 

What if you were a Super Hero?

 

Which one would you be ... and why?

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

What if you were a Super Hero?

 

Which one would you be ... and why?

lol

[BringBackFergy]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

What if you were a Super Hero?

 

Which one would you be ... and why?

Easy question.

 

Super Beane...I'd fly around the country and use my super powers to locate the best QB in the draft and select him with a 6th round draft pick. All the other villainous GM's would fall under my spell and wait 7 rounds to draft one of the QB's. 

[DrDawkinstein]

20 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So lets put us in Giants shoes and look at what they have.

 

1. They have an ageing QB but he has been given 2 more years.

2. Top end RB's are nice but will this RB be top end is hard to tell and the next tier is pretty good.

3. I am guessing they are getting trade offers from more then just the Bills.

4. They also have issues on there offensive line!

 

so what do you do if you were them?

Well I will tell you what I would do..

 

One minute left on the clock on second pick in round one.. Giants choose to trade with Buffalo and bleed

us with every pick Giants can get out of us then hit there Defense hard  in the draft while getting a project QB Like Lamar Jackson early round 2.

 

In short.. If there smart? they don't make that trade till draft. There is no point in it.. there is no... Profit in it

Thus

Tighten up your whitey tighties

loosen up them boxers

Let the wind go through your hair. cause nothing is going to happen for at least another 35D 11H or so

http://www.draftcountdown.com/

 

If I'm the Giants, I'm staying at #2 and picking whoever is left from Darnold or Rosen. If all goes as planned, they wont have this sweet a shot at Eli's replacement again. And getting the kid a couple years behind Eli would be very valuable.

 

OR

 

I'm trading with the Bills, taking all our picks, and taking Rudolph at #12 or #22 (depending how draft goes). They can get OL and RBs later in the draft, and with all our picks.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2018 by DrDawkinstein

[Chuck Wagon]

Giants have a young QB they like (Davis Webb) on the roster, was drafted in round 3 last year.  They don't need another project.

 

 

Personally I think "Blue Chip" talent is the most overrated notion in the draft.  Seems like every year there's ~6 guys who are the "blue chip" guys.  Seems like almost half of them can't stay on the field due to injuries or wash out because of off the field problems (Blackmon) or just aren't as good as people thought (guys like Dion Jordon).  Meanwhile there's guys who are valued slightly lower at the position (Beckham vs Sammy) who are often times just as good if not better.  Nelson may be a once in a lifetime player, but the last two guards who went top 10 as "can't miss" guys (Cooper & Warmack) missed.  If you don't need a QB and someone is willing to offer you a "QB package" for a top pick, I think it's foolish to put all your eggs in one guys basket, regardless of how "can't miss" he may be viewed.

[auburnbillsbacker]

The Giants should take the QB they like best at 2.  

[MrEpsYtown]

I would trade down but force the Bills to give me both 1s this year and the 2019 1. Plus some other picks. 

[SouthNYfan]

14 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

What if you were a Super Hero?

 

Which one would you be ... and why?

 

Thor.

Then I could play QB myself, then play linebacker and smash Brady with my hammer.

[Rockinon]

If we were the Giants, we play the two teams with the most draft capital against each other.  That would be the Browns and Bills.  Whoever offers the most for the #2 pick.......

 

Is anyone willing to pay that kind of price? 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

18 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So lets put us in Giants shoes and look at what they have.

 

1. They have an ageing QB but he has been given 2 more years.

2. Top end RB's are nice but will this RB be top end is hard to tell and the next tier is pretty good.

3. I am guessing they are getting trade offers from more then just the Bills.

4. They also have issues on there offensive line!

 

so what do you do if you were them?

Well I will tell you what I would do..

 

One minute left on the clock on second pick in round one.. Giants choose to trade with Buffalo and bleed

us with every pick Giants can get out of us then hit there Defense hard  in the draft while getting a project QB Like Lamar Jackson early round 2.

 

In short.. If there smart? they don't make that trade till draft. There is no point in it.. there is no... Profit in it

Thus

Tighten up your whitey tighties

loosen up them boxers

Let the wind go through your hair. cause nothing is going to happen for at least another 35D 11H or so

http://www.draftcountdown.com/

 

Giants are so interesting.

 

2017 Off Season I heard a lot of talk about how the giants were going to be a dangerous team...then 2017 happened.  OBJ got hurt, other injuries and a over his head coach exposed.  Everything snowballed.  I think the Giants are closer to being that good team many thought in 2017 than they are needing to start from fresh.  In many ways Giants were hampered by poor coaching just like Rex Ryan hampered the Bills...but when Buffalo received competent coaching with McDermott...things turned.

 

giants now have a more competent Head Coach, OBJ healthy, Nate Solder locking down the blind side.

 

another factor...THE NFC EAST...I might be alone but I feel the NFC EAST is open.

 

- Eagles...Questions at QB position with the health of Wentz and possible debate should Wentz struggle.

 

- Washington...New QB (will it gel?), who isn’t a world beater and somewhat of an unimpressive overall team.

 

- Cowboys...Jerry Jones drama and failure to live up to unrealistic expectations...also D. Prescot migjt also not be the real deal.

 

i feel with Questions at QB for three other teams, the Giants have the strongest foundation at QB with Eli.

 

so what would I do?  I would probably want to trade down to #4 or within the Top 10, but not our of the Top 10.  UNLESS I was getting some actual players.

 

if Buffalo wants my #2 I want lots of picks, but I either want Buffalo to first move into the Top 10

OR

Trade me picks, along with either Jerry Hughes or LeSean McCoy. (I don’t know if Giants could fit tht cap wise)

[Starr Almighty]

I'd ask the Bills for all of their 2018 and 2019 picks plus Shady and White

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

If we were the Giants, we play the two teams with the most draft capital against each other.  That would be the Browns and Bills.  Whoever offers the most for the #2 pick.......

 

Is anyone willing to pay that kind of price? 

 

 

At this point I would give them 12 / 22 / 2019 1st / one of the picks between 53-65.  The 2nd/3rd rounder they can use to get back up a bit if they choose.  I just don't see anyone else in the league in a position to beat that.  The Broncos would need to offer #5 / #40 / #71 / 2019 1st to roughly have the same value, but they have to feel good that they likely walk out with Baker as a worst case scenario right now and I don't know they would be willing to not pick till round 4 AND be out a 2019 1st just to move up 3 spots.

[RiotAct]

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they’re*

[PrimeTime101]

5 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

Giants are so interesting.

 

2017 Off Season I heard a lot of talk about how the giants were going to be a dangerous team...then 2017 happened.  OBJ got hurt, other injuries and a over his head coach exposed.  Everything snowballed.  I think the Giants are closer to being that good team many thought in 2017 than they are needing to start from fresh.  In many ways Giants were hampered by poor coaching just like Rex Ryan hampered the Bills...but when Buffalo received competent coaching with McDermott...things turned.

 

giants now have a more competent Head Coach, OBJ healthy, Nate Solder locking down the blind side.

 

another factor...THE NFC EAST...I might be alone but I feel the NFC EAST is open.

 

- Eagles...Questions at QB position with the health of Wentz and possible debate should Wentz struggle.

 

- Washington...New QB (will it gel?), who isn’t a world beater and somewhat of an unimpressive overall team.

 

- Cowboys...Jerry Jones drama and failure to live up to unrealistic expectations...also D. Prescot migjt also not be the real deal.

 

i feel with Questions at QB for three other teams, the Giants have the strongest foundation at QB with Eli.

 

so what would I do?  I would probably want to trade down to #4 or within the Top 10, but not our of the Top 10.  UNLESS I was getting some actual players.

 

if Buffalo wants my #2 I want lots of picks, but I either want Buffalo to first move into the Top 10

OR

Trade me picks, along with either Jerry Hughes or LeSean McCoy. (I don’t know if Giants could fit tht cap wise)

I like your #2 option of possible McCoy or Hughes. I think your right I think this is the Giants "go big or go home" year.

great observation

15 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

Giants have a young QB they like (Davis Webb) on the roster, was drafted in round 3 last year.  They don't need another project.

 

 

Personally I think "Blue Chip" talent is the most overrated notion in the draft.  Seems like every year there's ~6 guys who are the "blue chip" guys.  Seems like almost half of them can't stay on the field due to injuries or wash out because of off the field problems (Blackmon) or just aren't as good as people thought (guys like Dion Jordon).  Meanwhile there's guys who are valued slightly lower at the position (Beckham vs Sammy) who are often times just as good if not better.  Nelson may be a once in a lifetime player, but the last two guards who went top 10 as "can't miss" guys (Cooper & Warmack) missed.  If you don't need a QB and someone is willing to offer you a "QB package" for a top pick, I think it's foolish to put all your eggs in one guys basket, regardless of how "can't miss" he may be viewed.

Eagles did it, how did that work for them?

[Chuck Wagon]

12 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I like your #2 option of possible McCoy or Hughes. I think your right I think this is the Giants "go big or go home" year.

great observation

Eagles did it, how did that work for them?

 

 

 If you don't need a QB and someone is willing to offer you a "QB package" for a top pick

 

 

Reading is hard.

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

 If you don't need a QB and someone is willing to offer you a "QB package" for a top pick

 

 

Reading is hard.

?

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

?

 

 

Exactly

[BuffaloBillyG]

51 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

What if you were a Super Hero?

 

Which one would you be ... and why?

Frozone from the Incredibles. 

 

Ability to free up room in  my freezer by instantaneously making my own ice AND have Samuel L Jackson's voice? Easy call.

[Dopey]

36 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I'd ask the Bills for all of their 2018 and 2019 picks plus Shady and White

[frostbitmic]

 

If I'm the Giants I'm going to hold a gun to the head of any team wanting pick #2 because I'd be happy picking Barkley or Rosen there.

 

If the Bills came knocking, I'd tell them I want both #1's, first #2, first #3 this year and next years 1st. If they take it, great, if not, no big deal.

[Mrbojanglezs]

Everyone who says so quickly that Giants should pick a QB put your self in a GMs shoes, there is constant pressure to produce a winning team now, these big market teams like the Giants don't always have the flexibility of waiting for the future to win. They may very well want an impact player to help them win now so the GM earns more years on his contract and not put a rookie on the bench for 2 years.

[BuckeyeBill]

Hello Mr. Beane,

 

I know we've talked a thousand times about this.  You want our #2 pick, but you don't want to part with any of your 2019 picks.  Well this is your last chance, my friend.  We've only got five minutes left on our clock,  so final deal.  Both of your firsts, both of your seconds, and your first next year or no deal.  

 

 

  

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

If I'm the Giants, I'm staying at #2 and picking whoever is left from Darnold or Rosen. If all goes as planned, they wont have this sweet a shot at Eli's replacement again. And getting the kid a couple years behind Eli would be very valuable.

 

OR

 

I'm trading with the Bills, taking all our picks, and taking Rudolph at #12 or #22 (depending how draft goes). They can get OL and RBs later in the draft, and with all our picks.

 

 

  The Giants and Bills can do anything but don't trust any "information" that has been put out for public consumption such as Eli getting two more years.  Even if Gettleman put that out there himself he is not obligated to stick with it.  I swear that some people have a mind of a child when it comes to assessing statements put out by media people.  

[buffalostu2]

54 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

 

If I'm the Giants I'm going to hold a gun to the head of any team wanting pick #2 because I'd be happy picking Barkley or Rosen there.

 

If the Bills came knocking, I'd tell them I want both #1's, first #2, first #3 this year and next years 1st. If they take it, great, if not, no big deal.

That would be insane for us to do but the Giants should ask.  These QBs aren't can't miss.  Questions on throwing motion, concussions, height and accuracy are too much to give away three first rounders + to move 10 spots.  If we were to make this deal it would certainly be because we traded Tyrod and are stuck with McCarron.  

[The Wiz]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

What if you were a Super Hero?

 

Which one would you be ... and why?

Green Lantern.  Can do basically anything just by thinking it.  I'd never need to leave my couch.

[DrDawkinstein]

17 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The Giants and Bills can do anything but don't trust any "information" that has been put out for public consumption such as Eli getting two more years.  Even if Gettleman put that out there himself he is not obligated to stick with it.  I swear that some people have a mind of a child when it comes to assessing statements put out by media people.  

 

Oh, I dont believe anything that comes out of the mouths of Coaches or GMs. Or rather, I recognize the way they speak with their "for now"s and "current plan"s.

[CuddyDark]

If there are 7 franchise type players and you trade to 12 what are you doing really?

[Sherman]

If the Giants are smart they draft the QB they believe is a franchise QB. He can sit behind Eli for 1-2 years and then take over. They can continue to compete and won’t be in the same situation we are in in 1-2 years. 

[RochesterRob]

14 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

If there are 7 franchise type players and you trade to 12 what are you doing really?

  7 franchise players is just one person's assessment.  Really won't know until 10 years goes by to analyze the actual careers of these 7.  12 might have gotten Beane to a point where he thinks he can get somebody that he thinks is vital to the Bills franchise.

[BillsFan130]

If I am Gettleman I would be taking a QB. Eli is what, 36 or something?

 

Not many times you have a chance to draft a QB at 2, so if I were them I would for sure do that. (Would suck for the Bills of course)

Edited March 22, 2018 by billsfan11

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, billsfan11 said:

If I am Gettleman I would be taking a QB. Eli is what, 36 or something?

 

Not many times you have a chance to draft a QB at 2, so if I were them I would for sure do that. (Would suck for the Bills of course)

 

Really depends on what the coach thinks about Webb. He loved him coming outta college I believe, so he might ride with him and see what happens.

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, Sherman said:

If the Giants are smart they draft the QB they believe is a franchise QB. He can sit behind Eli for 1-2 years and then take over. They can continue to compete and won’t be in the same situation we are in in 1-2 years. 

  i don't understand the bleak talk here.  We most likely will take a QB at some point this year even if it is not at the top of the draft.  If nothing we do QB-wise works out this year there is always next year with us having nearly 100M and picks we could offer to a team needing to unload a QB due to cap problems.  If we can offer up salary to other positions next year then we can surely do the same for a QB who would be less of an unknown unlike a draft pick.

[CuddyDark]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  7 franchise players is just one person's assessment.  Really won't know until 10 years goes by to analyze the actual careers of these 7.  12 might have gotten Beane to a point where he thinks he can get somebody that he thinks is vital to the Bills franchise.

I don't disagree. But you not getting the same player at 12 unless they take Jackson and he becomes Cam or Vick or Steve Young.

[K-9]

If I’m the Giants, I draft my successor to Manning and not worry about the most important position in sports for the next 10 years after he retires. 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

If I'm the Giants, I'm staying at #2 and picking whoever is left from Darnold or Rosen. If all goes as planned, they wont have this sweet a shot at Eli's replacement again. And getting the kid a couple years behind Eli would be very valuable.

 

OR

 

I'm trading with the Bills, taking all our picks, and taking Rudolph at #12 or #22 (depending how draft goes). They can get OL and RBs later in the draft, and with all our picks.

 

 

Agreed. If I’m the Giants I’d call Darnold or Rosen’s name and mic drop.  It’s a no brainer to me.  Hopefully Gettleman is a stooge and tries to win another SB with Eli,

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Really depends on what the coach thinks about Webb. He loved him coming outta college I believe, so he might ride with him and see what happens.

True... But at the same time pretty much whatever QB they draft at 2 will be a much higher prospect than Webb

[RyanC883]

This makes sense for the Giants.  There are other good RB's, and getting someone like L. Jackson or M. White or Falk in the 2nd would be great for the Giants.  Can learn from Eli for 2 years.  Then the Giants can beef-up the O and D lines and add a RB (one of the Georgia guys>?).  

 

I can't see them drafting a QB at 2.  It's like saying to Manning, "thanks for resigning, but we have given up on winning while your here.  Teach this guy."  

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, billsfan11 said:

True... But at the same time pretty much whatever QB they draft at 2 will be a much higher prospect than Webb

 

I don't disagree, it really depends on Webb and Eli and how they feel about them.

Eli has what? 2-3 years on his contract?

They might ride him out and see.

I highly doubt they will move on from Eli after this year, which means that Rosen isn't smart for them.

Even darnold isn't gonna sit TWO years.

The only QB who makes sense for them to sit for 2+ is Allen, and even then, I dont think they go QB @2.

 

I just don't see it.