Jobot Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Anyone notice all the Major headlines (ESPN.com NFL.com etc.) regarding Zay Jones incident? They all just state a guy being arrested for property damages... This story is not a 'property damage' story and the article titles are intentionally misleading IMO. I think it shows how sensitive the NFL still is with any association to mental health issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 No one knows what caused the melt down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: No one knows what caused the melt down. There's 29 pages of expert testimony on this board alone as to what caused it. A combination of synthetic drugs, likely flakka, amphetamines, and deep seeded depression stemming from childhood trauma from that time in the park when a man in a dirty clown suit threatened that if I didn't poop on his chest he would kill my whole family. Edited March 21, 2018 by Jauronimo 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jobot said: Anyone notice all the Major headlines (ESPN.com NFL.com etc.) regarding Zay Jones incident? They all just state a guy being arrested for property damages... This story is not a 'property damage' story and the article titles are intentionally misleading IMO. I think it shows how sensitive the NFL still is with any association to mental health issues. All I've heard is property damage - probably because I only noticed the major headlines. What else happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: There's 29 pages of expert testimony on this board alone as to what caused it. A combination of synthetic marijuana, likely flakka, amphetamines, and deep seeded depression stemming from childhood trauma from that time in the park when a man in a dirty clown suit threatened that if I didn't poop on his chest he would kill my whole family. well im not really sure what to do with that Edited March 21, 2018 by Wsam4031 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Could be drugs could be something else. My guess is we'll never know for sure unless he gets suspended for drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 if he's willing to attack his brother then he's willing to attack his teammates. They need to cut ties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Dude was clearly on the flakka... no way in hell he was sober. Somebody laced his ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worstcaseontario Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: There's 29 pages of expert testimony on this board alone as to what caused it. A combination of synthetic drugs, likely flakka, amphetamines, and deep seeded depression stemming from childhood trauma from that time in the park when a man in a dirty clown suit threatened that if I didn't poop on his chest he would kill my whole family. Lold hard at this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Jobot said: Anyone notice all the Major headlines (ESPN.com NFL.com etc.) regarding Zay Jones incident? They all just state a guy being arrested for property damages... This story is not a 'property damage' story and the article titles are intentionally misleading IMO. I think it shows how sensitive the NFL still is with any association to mental health issues. Anyone notice there was already a long thread on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Meazy26 said: Dude was clearly on the flakka... no way in hell he was sober. Somebody laced his ****. Wth is the flakka ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, White Linen said: All I've heard is property damage - probably because I only noticed the major headlines. What else happened? He kicked through a plate glass window on a balcony with his foot and tried to crawl through it to his impending death 30 stories below. His brother grabbed him before he got through and stopped the suicide. Your welcome. Now you do not need to waste time reading the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: Wth is the flakka ? 1 minute ago, cba fan said: He kicked through a plate glass window on a balcony with his foot and tried to crawl through it to his impending death 30 stories below. His brother grabbed him before he got through and stopped the suicide. Your welcome. Now you do not need to waste time reading the link. I’m sorry, but depression ain’t gonna make you do that... Flakka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, cba fan said: He kicked through a plate glass window on a balcony with his foot and tried to crawl through it to his impending death 30 stories below. His brother grabbed him before he got through and stopped the suicide. Your welcome. Now you do not need to waste time reading the link. You forgot the part about Zay being buck naked at the time. Or the part when he exclaimed: "I'm going to fight for Jesus." Or the physical altercation Zay had with his brother prior to kicking out the window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Some type of drug most likely...best bet is synthetic MJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, Meazy26 said: I’m sorry, but depression ain’t gonna make you do that... Flakka. Thanks for posting the video. Sounds like flakka is a real possibility. I noticed the video appears to be about 3 years old, so the problem has only become worse. Hope there is a solution soon, which I would guess will have to come from the kids, themselves, deciding not to use these synthetic drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 The crazy part is if his brother isn't there, this discussion is much darker and extremely sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Right now no one knows all the details of what went on and what caused this unfortunate episode. Which means it's the perfect time to throw stuff out there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 53 minutes ago, Jobot said: Anyone notice all the Major headlines (ESPN.com NFL.com etc.) regarding Zay Jones incident? They all just state a guy being arrested for property damages... This story is not a 'property damage' story and the article titles are intentionally misleading IMO. I think it shows how sensitive the NFL still is with any association to mental health issues. Because "property damage" is the only actual proof we know of in this story. To speculate on the cause of his actions is irresponsible journalism (despite the fact that tons of news outlets speculate all the time). IMO, Zay strikes me as a level-headed kid with the right type of character/attitude to have a decent career in the NFL. I think the dude has been chasing the pro football dream since he was little and that kept him away from the party scene through high school/college as he held his focus on making it into the NFL. Now that he's in the league, he's probably cutting loose and experimenting with things he's inexperienced with. There could be some underlying mental health issues but unless you're his doctor, nobody knows for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 The girlfriend may now have PTSD after having Zay run into her room buck naked, raving, and bleeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I think it reflects the known details of what happened, which were likely few at the time and perhaps still are. If that's what he's charged with, that's what's mentioned. Has zero to do with sensitivity etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I'm having my brother in law who is a US Marshal try to get some info on this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 58 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Because "property damage" is the only actual proof we know of in this story. To speculate on the cause of his actions is irresponsible journalism (despite the fact that tons of news outlets speculate all the time). IMO, Zay strikes me as a level-headed kid with the right type of character/attitude to have a decent career in the NFL. I think the dude has been chasing the pro football dream since he was little and that kept him away from the party scene through high school/college as he held his focus on making it into the NFL. Now that he's in the league, he's probably cutting loose and experimenting with things he's inexperienced with. There could be some underlying mental health issues but unless you're his doctor, nobody knows for sure. 17 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I think it reflects the known details of what happened, which were likely few at the time and perhaps still are. If that's what he's charged with, that's what's mentioned. Has zero to do with sensitivity etc. "Arrested for property damage" is a convenient headline for the NFL that basically says: "entitled black football player doesn't respect other person's property and is arrested" Anyone who watched that video knows this is not a 'property damage' case. IMO, I think it's intentional to gloss over the event as simple criminal act when there is clearly something larger at play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I think that mental health is becoming the biggest scapegoat for everything today. Anything bad happens, its a mental health issue. It can explain anything today. Maybe he just took some drugs and had a bad reaction to them. Doesn't mean he has some type of mental health issue unless you feel anyone who takes drugs or drinks for whatever issue has mental health issues. This is like kids today, don't want to do something or act up or won't pay attention?It's AD/HD It doesn't appear like Day has had any issues in the past with drugs or anything, might just have been a something stupid and bad reaction to some drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jobot said: Arrested for property damage" is a convenient headline for the NFL that basically says: "entitled black football player doesn't respect other person's property and is arrested" Anyone who watched that video knows this is not a 'property damage' case. IMO, I think it's intentional to gloss over the event as simple criminal act when there is clearly something larger at play. 1 All they can do from a PR perspective is report the facts. They start talking about drugs, bad for the brand. They start talking about mental health while he's still likely in an evaluation process, bad for the brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jobot said: "Arrested for property damage" is a convenient headline for the NFL that basically says: "entitled black football player doesn't respect other person's property and is arrested" Anyone who watched that video knows this is not a 'property damage' case. IMO, I think it's intentional to gloss over the event as simple criminal act when there is clearly something larger at play. Well he did damage property and that's probably the only charge they could lay at the time, unless it's illegal to be under the influence on private property? If they didn't find actual drugs in his possession at the scene I don't think there's anything else to charge him for, especially if his brother or others in attendance don't want to lay assault charges.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: There's 29 pages of expert testimony on this board alone as to what caused it. A combination of synthetic drugs, likely flakka, amphetamines, and deep seeded depression stemming from childhood trauma from that time in the park when a man in a dirty clown suit threatened that if I didn't poop on his chest he would kill my whole family. Whyd you say “I”...? Are you projecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jobot said: "Arrested for property damage" is a convenient headline for the NFL that basically says: "entitled black football player doesn't respect other person's property and is arrested" Anyone who watched that video knows this is not a 'property damage' case. IMO, I think it's intentional to gloss over the event as simple criminal act when there is clearly something larger at play. What the heck does the race of the player have to do with it? Ridiculous. If he was charged with property damage that's all that matters. No one has had their day in court yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jobot said: "Arrested for property damage" is a convenient headline for the NFL that basically says: "entitled black football player doesn't respect other person's property and is arrested" Anyone who watched that video knows this is not a 'property damage' case. IMO, I think it's intentional to gloss over the event as simple criminal act when there is clearly something larger at play. To be fair "NFL player high on synthetic drugs, likely flakka, and suffering from deep seeded depression stemming from childhood trauma from that time in the park when a man in a dirty clown suit threatened that if I didn't poop on his chest he would kill my whole family, arrested for property damage" is a tad long for a headline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said: I think that mental health is becoming the biggest scapegoat for everything today. Anything bad happens, its a mental health issue. It can explain anything today. Maybe he just took some drugs and had a bad reaction to them. Doesn't mean he has some type of mental health issue unless you feel anyone who takes drugs or drinks for whatever issue has mental health issues. This is like kids today, don't want to do something or act up or won't pay attention?It's AD/HD It doesn't appear like Day has had any issues in the past with drugs or anything, might just have been a something stupid and bad reaction to some drugs I agree that it's an easy scapegoat these days.... But I see the NFL as intentionally dodging this with the headline. Imagine someone throws a CTE claim at being involved with this situation? That's a pretty scary scenario and I think the NFL wants this to disappear... I sound like a super conspiracy theorist now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Will flakka help him catch the GDBall? If so, I'm for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Most drops in the league and now a felon Did not see that coming, seemed like such a stable, quality kid. Someone on this board was yelling for Smith-Shuster in the 2nd round instead of Zay last year, too bad we didn't go that way, he's a legit force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, blacklabel said: Because "property damage" is the only actual proof we know of in this story. To speculate on the cause of his actions is irresponsible journalism (despite the fact that tons of news outlets speculate all the time). IMO, Zay strikes me as a level-headed kid with the right type of character/attitude to have a decent career in the NFL. I think the dude has been chasing the pro football dream since he was little and that kept him away from the party scene through high school/college as he held his focus on making it into the NFL. Now that he's in the league, he's probably cutting loose and experimenting with things he's inexperienced with. There could be some underlying mental health issues but unless you're his doctor, nobody knows for sure. Lol so you think journalists suddenly remembered their duty to be objective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Hope it was the flakka. Because that was crayzay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, jr1 said: if he's willing to attack his brother then he's willing to attack his teammates. They need to cut ties LMFAO Heck when I was younger we'd get **** faced drunk while doing all kinds of crazy substances. Fights broke out on a rare occasion while inebriated only to be resolved the following days... Many times lessons were learned and never repeated Hardly mental health issue, just way too much of a good thing turning things sour The funnier things is I'm still extremely close with these same friends 30+ years later. We had the best of times we had the worst of times but we grew closer in the processes Edited March 21, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 17 hours ago, ko12010 said: Lol so you think journalists suddenly remembered their duty to be objective? Lol so you think every single news outlet in the entire world is wrought with subjective, speculative journalists? Did you count them all? 19 hours ago, Jobot said: "Arrested for property damage" is a convenient headline for the NFL that basically says: "entitled black football player doesn't respect other person's property and is arrested" Anyone who watched that video knows this is not a 'property damage' case. IMO, I think it's intentional to gloss over the event as simple criminal act when there is clearly something larger at play. WTF does him being black have to do with anything? And it is a property damage case.... because that's what he was freakin' arrested for... but yes, your theory of independent news outlets intentionally glossing over "something larger at play" is much more plausible because hey, black, entitled, football player. Maybe you read too many tabloid headlines because it sounds like you were expecting to read sh*t like, "FILTHY RICH INSANE LUNATIC ENTITLED BLACK PLAYER OF FOOTBALL HAS MANIACAL DRUG INDUCED MELTDOWN, SMASHES WINDOW, TRIES TO KILL SELF, THIS IS ALL A COVER FOR THE FACT THAT HE IS ACTUALLY A LIZARD PERSON FROM THE PLANET FARTLAX!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Lol so you think every single news outlet in the entire world is wrought with subjective, speculative journalists? Did you count them all? WTF does him being black have to do with anything? And it is a property damage case.... because that's what he was freakin' arrested for... but yes, your theory of independent news outlets intentionally glossing over "something larger at play" is much more plausible because hey, black, entitled, football player. Maybe you read too many tabloid headlines because it sounds like you were expecting to read sh*t like, "FILTHY RICH INSANE LUNATIC ENTITLED BLACK PLAYER OF FOOTBALL HAS MANIACAL DRUG INDUCED MELTDOWN, SMASHES WINDOW, TRIES TO KILL SELF, THIS IS ALL A COVER FOR THE FACT THAT HE IS ACTUALLY A LIZARD PERSON FROM THE PLANET FARTLAX!!!" These threads are conversational and unfortunately DO require some pensiveness to try and understand various arguments. Your uneasiness about the slightest mention that 'race' is also unsettling to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Jobot said: These threads are conversational and unfortunately DO require some pensiveness to try and understand various arguments. Your uneasiness about the slightest mention that 'race' is also unsettling to me. Be unsettled all you want, your pointing out of his race has absolutely zero to do with anything in this story. At the very bottom, baseline level of this story, these are the current known facts: Male athlete injures self while destroying window on 30th floor of apartment complex, attempts to jump out of it, restrained by his brother, arrested on charges of property damage. Does it look like this happened because of a drug-induced psychosis? Yeah, it does. But that's still conjecture until more facts emerge. And yeah, objective journalism still exists. I'm not exactly sure what you meant by your belief that the news is somehow covering for him for "something much bigger" by only reporting the known facts at this time. What's to gain for any news outlet with a story like this? I understand we are living in an age of subjective and sensationalist journalism but a story like this doesn't warrant that type of stuff because what's the point? It's not like the news has any interest in writing stories in such a way that make the Bills look good or somehow "covers" for a player who made some bad decisions and is now dealing with the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, blacklabel said: Be unsettled all you want, your pointing out of his race has absolutely zero to do with anything in this story. At the very bottom, baseline level of this story, these are the current known facts: Male athlete injures self while destroying window on 30th floor of apartment complex, attempts to jump out of it, restrained by his brother, arrested on charges of property damage. Does it look like this happened because of a drug-induced psychosis? Yeah, it does. But that's still conjecture until more facts emerge. And yeah, objective journalism still exists. I'm not exactly sure what you meant by your belief that the news is somehow covering for him for "something much bigger" by only reporting the known facts at this time. What's to gain for any news outlet with a story like this? I understand we are living in an age of subjective and sensationalist journalism but a story like this doesn't warrant that type of stuff because what's the point? It's not like the news has any interest in writing stories in such a way that make the Bills look good or somehow "covers" for a player who made some bad decisions and is now dealing with the consequences. You pointed out the actual story, I bolded it for you above... It's so clearly not just a property damage story and anyone who reads the current headlines will glance past the story and assume it as a petty criminal act. So you pick, piss-poor journalism in choosing a headline, OR side-stepping a mental illness discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 On 3/21/2018 at 12:48 PM, Jobot said: Anyone notice all the Major headlines (ESPN.com NFL.com etc.) regarding Zay Jones incident? They all just state a guy being arrested for property damages... This story is not a 'property damage' story and the article titles are intentionally misleading IMO. I think it shows how sensitive the NFL still is with any association to mental health issues. What is Zay's mental health diagnosis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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