dgr81 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The fourth overall pick, then. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzReaper Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Welp... One of them is right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 How does anyone know either way? Unless the league source is Dorsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Can't imagine they would get very far if they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Maybe it was for their first pick in the Second round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The front page is starting to look like my old Facebook feed (before I shut down my account). Repetitive, ill-informed opinions stated as facts. So much static, there's no real info. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, dgr81 said: DUH...I would say its highly unlikely the Bills will trade for #1 overall, nor should they. I say the odds are also now low after FA that the Bills will even trade up, and even lower that they will trade top 5. If the Bills covet a specific guy only, then absolutely they could trade up. I just dont know there is enough difference between some of the top 5 guys to say one is worth so much more than the other. But its all about what our FO thinks...if they feel there is one special guy, then yes a massive and expensive trade up could happen. I just personally dont know there is a QB that is head and shoulders better than the others that Beane will spend so much draft capital to get. We will see, either way its been the most exciting offseason I can remember. Edited March 19, 2018 by Alphadawg7 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: DUH...I would say its almost a certainty the Bills will NOT trade for #1 overall, nor should they. I say the odds are also now low after FA that the Bills will even trade up, and even lower that they will trade top 5. Then all those moves going back to trading down in the last draft, were for nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: How does anyone know either way? Unless the league source is Dorsey. Simon and White had the Jets beat reporter on this morning..the Jets/Colts deal was being discussed back in Jan in Mobile (senior bowl).Jets also talked to the Browns with no progress.The guy was on around 9:15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) What are you talking about? Nothing? We got SIX picks in the first three rounds, including moving up to #12. How is that for nothing? Do people here even pay attention to the reality of the NFL? After FA, its QUITE possible only 2 QB's go in the top 10 unless more teams (which there aren't a lot of candidates, if any) trade up into the top 10 for a QB. Only Cle and Jets are likely locks for a QB. This obsession for the Bills to trade up now is outdated, they have more options. Giants might elect to get Eli help rather than take a QB. And Denver spent good money on Keenum to be the starter, they didn't need a bridge if they were taking a QB at #5 as they already had 2 cheaper options on their roster to fill that role. Elway wouldnt have chewed up much needed cap space on Keenum if he was taking someone at #5 IMO. They will look to add D, and I think it will Fitzpatrick, at #5 to try and get that team back in position to make a deep playoff run this year before their window closes further. People need to relax with all this freak out and obsession with the top 4, its quite possible the QB the Bills prefer is NOT Rosen or Darnold, as each team has a DIFFERENT ranking of QB's than TSW fans here. The top 5 are all closely graded, Bills might be targeting Baker, Allen, or Lamar and will not NEED to go into the top 4 to get them. Just because some here think its got to be either Rosen or Darnold doesn't mean thats the Bills board or any teams board. Not every team has those 2 as the top 2 guys on their board. Yes its still plausible the Bills trade up, but its going to come down to whether the Bills see someone as a must get or not. And after FA, the whole landscape of the top 10 has a new storyline. If Bills covet a guy, which they very well could, they will make the big spend to trade up. But the point is, there are a LOT of options now in play after FA...so its not a trade up or bust scenario anymore is all I am trying to say. Edited March 19, 2018 by Alphadawg7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 And now a source needed Rodak to put it out there, as well. Methinks doth protest too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Then all those moves going back to trading down in the last draft, were for nothing. $$hitt happens. Man up, do a second half adjustment, and move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The front page is starting to look like my old Facebook feed (before I shut down my account). Repetitive, ill-informed opinions stated as facts. So much static, there's no real info. You just described the last State of the Union Address to a T. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: $$hitt happens. Man up, do a second half adjustment, and move on... If you know the adjustment that makes up for not having a franchise QB, then please share it with the Bills. 20 years of this garbage is far too long. "Running Game and Defense" hasnt gotten this franchise anywhere in its entire history. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: If you know the adjustment that makes up for not having a franchise QB, then please share it with the Bills. 20 years of this garbage is far too long. "Running Game and Defense" hasnt gotten this franchise anywhere in its entire history. Settling for a QB just to check off a box hasn't worked either. If the Browns and Giants don't want to trade, what do you propose? Holding our breath and stomping the ground? Make the best of a disappointing situation by drafting 4-5 starters and get to work on the next shot at a franchise QB pick/free agent signing in 2019... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: The fourth overall pick, then. Carry on. I see it playing like this. 1. Browns - Darnold 2. Giants - Barkley 3. Jets - Allen 4. Browns - Trade #4 to Bills. I would expect as soon as the Jets take Allen, the Bills immediately call the Browns. Or maybe they have in place a deal already if the Jets take Allen, it's a go. All speculation on my part though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Then all those moves going back to trading down in the last draft, were for nothing. Not really. We have a ton of holes in the roster. We got KEY contributors last draft (White, Dawkins, Milano); and even if we stay at 12, we could get a QB the FO feels is on-par with one of the guys picked in the top 10. If they feel someone like Falk, White, or Roudolph is the best, they may even go LB, DL, or something in the 1st and grab one of those in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: What are you talking about? Nothing? We got SIX picks in the first three rounds, including moving up to #12. How is that for nothing? Do people here even pay attention to the reality of the NFL? After FA, its QUITE possible only 2 QB's go in the top 10 unless more teams (which there aren't a lot of candidates, if any) trade up into the top 10 for a QB. Only Cle and Jets are likely locks for a QB. This obsession for the Bills to trade up now is outdated, they have more options. Giants might elect to get Eli help rather than take a QB. And Denver spent good money on Keenum to be the starter, they didn't need a bridge if they were taking a QB at #5 as they already had 2 cheaper options on their roster to fill that role. Elway wouldnt have chewed up much needed cap space on Keenum if he was taking someone at #5 IMO. They will look to add D, and I think it will Fitzpatrick, at #5 to try and get that team back in position to make a deep playoff run this year before their window closes further. People need to relax with all this freak out and obsession with the top 4, its quite possible the QB the Bills prefer is NOT Rosen or Darnold, as each team has a DIFFERENT ranking of QB's than TSW fans here. The top 5 are all closely graded, Bills might be targeting Baker, Allen, or Lamar and will not NEED to go into the top 4 to get them. Just because some here think its got to be either Rosen or Darnold doesn't mean thats the Bills board or any teams board. Not every team has those 2 as the top 2 guys on their board. Yes its still plausible the Bills trade up, but its going to come down to whether the Bills see someone as a must get or not. And after FA, the whole landscape of the top 10 has a new storyline. If Bills covet a guy, which they very well could, they will make the big spend to trade up. But the point is, there are a LOT of options now in play after FA...so its not a trade up or bust scenario anymore is all I am trying to say. Its so media driven. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I see it playing like this. 1. Browns - Darnold 2. Giants - Barkley 3. Jets - Allen 4. Browns - Trade #4 to Bills. I would expect as soon as the Jets take Allen, the Bills immediately call the Browns. Or maybe they have in place a deal already if the Jets take Allen, it's a go. All speculation on my part though. I'd be game for that. Get Mayfield or Rosen. I hope you are correct the Jets taking Allen. Perhaps their plan w/ giving McKnown $10 mill is that he teaches Allen and Bridgewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Do people here even pay attention to the reality of the NFL? After FA, its QUITE possible only 2 QB's go in the top 10 unless more teams (which there aren't a lot of candidates, if any) trade up into the top 10 for a QB. That's an absurd underestimation, and I think you know it. Cleveland NYJ Broncos AT A MINIMUM will be drafting a QB, and the NYG will likely too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I'm about ready just to go into hibernation mode for the next 5 weeks. Focus on other things besides the NFL. This back and forth nonsense between leaguse sources is pitiful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 anyone think it's funny that Rodak, Sal, and Skurski all got the same news from a league source within seconds of each other. How's that work, a group text? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: Settling for a QB just to check off a box hasn't worked either. If the Browns and Giants don't want to trade, what do you propose? Holding our breath and stomping the ground? Make the best of a disappointing situation by drafting 4-5 starters and get to work on the next shot at a franchise QB pick/free agent signing in 2019... That's not the situation I was replying to. Please dont "move the goalposts". Unless I misunderstood Alpha's post, he is suggesting the Bills shouldn't/don't want to move up any further. Or at least he doesnt think they should. I'm saying they definitely should keep going. You don't stop when you are this close. Of course, if the Browns and Giants dont want to play ball then we are screwed. And it's a major failure by Beane to not get that #3 overall pick which was obviously up for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: I'd be game for that. Get Mayfield or Rosen. I hope you are correct the Jets taking Allen. Perhaps their plan w/ giving McKnown $10 mill is that he teaches Allen and Bridgewater. I'm really hoping for that. Really hoping. If it happens, get drunk and crash the Jets board? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Not really. We have a ton of holes in the roster. We got KEY contributors last draft (White, Dawkins, Milano); and even if we stay at 12, we could get a QB the FO feels is on-par with one of the guys picked in the top 10. If they feel someone like Falk, White, or Roudolph is the best, they may even go LB, DL, or something in the 1st and grab one of those in the 2nd. Ok, so the same thing the team has been doing for 20 years. Got it. Let the new drought.... BEGIN! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: I'm really hoping for that. Really hoping. If it happens, get drunk and crash the Jets board? yeah, for sure. I will be texting my Jets friends and just laughing that they traded all those picks for Allen to learn for one year. Would be the best scenario. Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Ok, so the same thing the team has been doing for 20 years. Got it. Let the new drought.... BEGIN! Hardly the same thing the team has done for 20 years. You can't force one of these teams to make a trade that works. And 12 is a good spot. The QB they want could very well be there (Jackson, Mayfield). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: I'm about ready just to go into hibernation mode for the next 5 weeks. Focus on other things besides the NFL. This back and forth nonsense between leaguse sources is pitiful. i think i'm with you on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 32 minutes ago, dgr81 said: 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 So imngoing with they did. If you havrnt who cares if thats out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I notice it doesn’t say we haven’t contacted the Browns. Just that it wasn’t in reference to #1. 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 That's BS because you are not going to tell me that during the TT trade that the topic of trading up did not come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, joesixpack said: That's an absurd underestimation, and I think you know it. Cleveland NYJ Broncos AT A MINIMUM will be drafting a QB, and the NYG will likely too. And you know this how? Have sources deep within all 3 organizations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, prissythecat said: And you know this how? Have sources deep within all 3 organizations? It's common sense. Anyone saying otherwise is intentionally wearing blinders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Then all those moves going back to trading down in the last draft, were for nothing. Not really for there was no way to see the future unfold as it did. They most likely expected the team to have a setback last fall as they rid the team of players that did not fit. Only in hindsight could they see that did not result in a top ten pick as they most likely expected. Further, a major impact player such as Smith or Evans may be found at 12 who will influence the coming season more than a QB expected to ride the bench in the same time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherChazz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I wish I had the willpower to disconnect myself from all of this until the Draft... FML 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 42 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: How does anyone know either way? Unless the league source is Dorsey. Aaaand this is why I believe Twitter is for Twits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Obviously one of the sources is lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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