rafter Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 bills might even have to trade to 4 with browns first. then trade that pick plus some to giants for their 2.. giants want barkley. if QBs go 1 2 3 and they have the 4th pick they will still get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: What do you mean? The Jets got "raped". They gave up 1 first and 3 2nds to move up a measly 3 spots. That's not good at all. Yep, people need to realize we would have to have kicked in 22 as well as another 2nd in addition to the three the Jets gave up and perhaps another 2nd or 3rd as well. Just too costly in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: IDK. If you asked my right now today if I rather have Ray Lewis or Joe Flacco I'd choose Ray Lewis. Because I don't see these QB as much more than Flacco or Matt Ryan I would give up an entire draft for them. JMO. We don't know. I would trade 2 1st and 2 2nds for Matt Ryan . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 If the Bills don’t go up to 2 in the next few days here, I hope they stay at 12. Either go up now before another team steals it...or just make all your picks. I don’t want the 3rd or 4th guy here. Either get to 1 or 2 before another team does, or just fill in the other needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 If I thought there was a can't miss type in the draft I'd be upset. I don't see any of these guys as fitting that category. So if they wait to get a guy fine. Or if they think a guy is can't miss and give up a lot to go to 2 fine as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Shaw66 said: You think Beane is snoozing? He knows exactly what he's doing. Look at what the Jets paid to move from 6 to 3. Now imagine what the Colts were asking from the Bills. Should have gotten Cousins. He's snoozing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: Cleveland: Likely taking Darnold Giants: Rosen, Mayfield Jets: Rosen, Allen, Mayfield Broncos: Allen, Mayfield or Jackson Bills: Leftovers We are doing 2004 all over again. You have to get the top guy. In that scenario that has Bills trading back into 1st for a QB, and I could be wrong but given the Bills’ two 1st round picks, I just don’t see that happening. As to taking a crappy QB, I trust Beane and his team - so I don’t think that happens either. Now, maybe waiting to Draft a QB until 2nd round, I could see that happening. But not overpaying, teaching too high, or failing to understand how to acquire the talent via the Draft, are not concerns as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Lamar at #12 may just be the best play if OBD is hell bent on acquiring a QB. Not my choice, but a developmental guy well worth exploring. I think fans are setting themselves up for disappointment thinking there is a miracle deal with the giants out there. And this may have been there plan all along. The 2nd tier of this QB class ain’t bad. And we keep all our picks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: I don't know how old you are but history has a freaking interesting way of repeating itself. I was being just as dramatic when we settled for Losman and everyone called me an idiot. We traded up to get Losman. Bills panicked when they heard the Packers wanted him. Packers stood pat and drafted Aaron Rodgers the next year. Sometimes, you need to wait even longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: He absolutely should. Have the lessons of history not been absorbed? There is no “we tried” - get it done or find a new job. He will be in hot water for sure, but he won't be fired unless all the QBs pan out. That won't be determined for a couple years at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: We don't know. I would trade 2 1st and 2 2nds for Matt Ryan . I wouldn't. Maybe for Aaron Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Can’t imagine the Colts GM didn’t call Beane to see if he would beat the Jets offer before they agreed to the trade with the Jets. Would be GM malpractice not to maximize their return for that pick. We’re not trading for the Giants pick now. If Beane wouldn’t pay the price for the 3rd pick there is no way he’s going to get raped to move up to the 2nd pick. They will likely wait and see how things fall and possibly move up some from 12 if by some chance their guy drops or just wait at 12 and restock the cupboards with all their picks and hope McCarron is a diamond in the rough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Shaw66 said: You think Beane is snoozing? He knows exactly what he's doing. Look at what the Jets paid to move from 6 to 3. Now imagine what the Colts were asking from the Bills. Should have gotten Cousins. Cousins was never in the cards as Beane said yesterday on the John Murphy Show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 If the Giants were drafting a QB why not move Eli out. They want to win with Eli AND get a QB to groom, trade #2 and pick up a ton to put around #10! Buffalo can offer 4 picks this year plus more next year. Giants only gave 5 picks total as of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 We are about to find out what Beane is made of. This is a big move for the Jets. If he doesn’t trade up, and a worthwhile QB doesn’t fall to 12, this town is going to start holding his feet to the fire. You can’t just trade away everybody on the roster and not come away with a top QB prospect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Elite Poster said: He's snoozing. We just traded to 12 and signed a backup. How is this snoozing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: Not if the plan was to trade up to three in case the giants don't want to trade up. Are you simple? So you know what Beane's plan is? And the Giants? And think the Colts weren't fielding multiple offers? And don't realize the Jets' #6 pick probably made their offer more palatable than anything the Bills could offer without giving up the farm? If Beane has demonstrated anything thus far, it's strong negotiating skills and patience. Are you able to dress yourself? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 This did set the market for what it will take. Value chart needed- Could the 12 pick and then our first pick in the second and first pick in the third and next years 1st get us up to 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Mango said: We are about to find out what Beane is made of. This is a big move for the Jets. If he doesn’t trade up, and a worthwhile QB doesn’t fall to 12, this town is going to start holding his feet to the fire. You can’t just trade away everybody on the roster and not come away with a top QB prospect At the presser the other day it sounded to me like they were taking Lamar Jackson at 12. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, BigBuff423 said: In that scenario that has Bills trading back into 1st for a QB, and I could be wrong but given the Bills’ two 1st round picks, I just don’t see that happening. As to taking a crappy QB, I trust Beane and his team - so I don’t think that happens either. Now, maybe waiting to Draft a QB until 2nd round, I could see that happening. But not overpaying, teaching too high, or failing to understand how to acquire the talent via the Draft, are not concerns as far as I can tell. You can't draft QB so passively. The statistics do not play in your favor. I am referring to 2004 where instead of trading up from where we were, we settled and had to panic to get leftovers. We are sitting in a "get the left overs" position and a DIVISION RIVAL just made a move to change their franchise. We are almost done with having to see Brady 2x a year. I really do not want to freakin have that turn into seeing a potential new stud QB twice a year. We will never win a damn championship prodding out these retread, reject choir boys at QB every damn year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: You are definitely an elite poster my friend... It's amazing how many people don't remember 2004. I saw people saying they wanted the Bills to stay at 12 and draft defense, then get whatever QB is left at 22. They can not accept leftovers. Or they need to abort this year and kick the can down the road to getting to the top in the next couple years. Some people do not learn! It's like they they are ok getting punched in the head over and over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, Fetou said: Something tells me if the Giants were trying to trade out of #2, the Jets would have aimed for that. I have a strong feeling that the Giants are taking a QB. They'd be fools not to. Eli is 37. QBs are going 1-2-3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Nooooooo!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: IDK. If you asked my right now today if I rather have Ray Lewis or Joe Flacco I'd choose Ray Lewis. Because I don't see these QB as much more than Flacco or Matt Ryan I would not give up an entire draft for them. JMO. They both led their teams to a Superbowl and one won it. Awful point. Edited March 17, 2018 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Mango said: We are about to find out what Beane is made of. This is a big move for the Jets. If he doesn’t trade up, and a worthwhile QB doesn’t fall to 12, this town is going to start holding his feet to the fire. You can’t just trade away everybody on the roster and not come away with a top QB prospect Start? He’s dead meat. If he doesn’t have the stones to get up to 1 or 2 he should go find employment elsewhere. The fans will revolt if they tell us they tried but it was too expensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: I wouldn't. Maybe for Aaron Rodgers. That's crazy. You know drafting other positions has a high fail rate also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rico Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I don't think that has ever been the plan. My guess is Beane is shooting for #1 or #2 before draft day. It better be a HELL of a lot earlier than draft day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: This. Over and over again. For Pete's sake we don't even know what the other offers were. The Bills may have tried but the 6th overall and 3 quality seconds ain't chicken feed in terms of beating an offer. Guys better start raiding the wives' Valium by the looks of the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Imo 3 was always fools gold. NYG now has the leverage. It will take nothing short than 3 firsts and 65. I dont think Beane wanted to do that if he didnt have to. Imo now he has to. But he also knows he needs to leap frog The jets and Broncos. The giants will walk away with a kings ransom now and Beane has to make the move if he covets one of those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Because of a guy named Eli. If the Bills think there's a guy they have to have they'll use the capital they need to use to get him. Or it may be they think a guy like Rudolph has as much potential as say Rosen. My bet is still they move up to get Rosen. But if not then they'll still take a guy they like in round 1 and get a stud MLB at 12. Eli is old and not that good and this draft class has good qb talent and they happen to have #2nand rebuilding. It is totally reasonable for the giants to take a qb. Lets hope not but how can you not see that. Don’t think for a second the jets did not make the same offer to the giants and they said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, buffaloaggie said: We traded up to get Losman. Bills panicked when they heard the Packers wanted him. Packers stood pat and drafted Aaron Rodgers the next year. Sometimes, you need to wait even longer. In 2004, GMs were still pretty awful at evaluating QBs. Mahomes went top 10 and a team traded up to get him last year. These same guys that were running drafts in the early 2000s said that guy was a second or third round pick. TIMES CHANGE, but the Bills don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said: Can’t imagine the Colts GM didn’t call Beane to see if he would beat the Jets offer before they agreed to the trade with the Jets. Would be GM malpractice not to maximize their return for that pick. We’re not trading for the Giants pick now. If Beane wouldn’t pay the price for the 3rd pick there is no way he’s going to get raped to move up to the 2nd pick. They will likely wait and see how things fall and possibly move up some from 12 if by some chance their guy drops or just wait at 12 and restock the cupboards with all their picks and hope McCarron is a diamond in the rough. You don’t pay for the 3rd pick now, not knowing if you are going to get your guy. Let’s say Beane does move to 3, then the Jets trade to 2. How dumb does Beane look then? You do this trade on draft day, when you know for certain the guy you want is there at 3. The Jets have opened themselves to being jumped at 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: That's crazy. You know drafting other positions has a high fail rate also. It's not the fail rate I object to, it's the cost. I'd understand if Luck was in the draft or Went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: If they don't trade up for a QB then they are in trouble and the positive vibes from last season will be gone. I said it in another thread, as teams take QBs, other top players in other positions slide to the Bills. Beane will now be in a position to draft a top player to fill another need. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: We just traded to 12 and signed a backup. How is this snoozing? Can't wait til we get Roquan Smith at 12 and take Mason Rudolph at 22, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Greg Gabriel @greggabe 22s23 seconds ago Buffalo will have to pay a ransom to get to 2 ( If Giants want to trade). Colts didn’t want to move further back than 6. Knew where drop off was. It’s about the quality of the player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fetou said: Eli Manning is 37 And has a few years left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I wonder if the Jets tried trading up to 2 but the Giants didn’t want to move out of that spot. Not good for us if the plan was to move up even further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: Cleveland: Likely taking Darnold Giants: Rosen, Mayfield Jets: Rosen, Allen, Mayfield Broncos: Allen, Mayfield or Jackson Bills: Leftovers We are doing 2004 all over again. You have to get the top guy. No Barkley in that scenario? I think he goes in the top two, but we shall see... While I’m a little bummed it wasn’t us in a trade up, it’s still all a crap shoot and I’m going to trust our boys to do what they think is the right thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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