Josh Allen one of the most overrated QB prospects this decade

[xRUSHx]

There’s no questioning his physical potential, but the reality is that Allen was just never a stellar quarterback at Wyoming in the first place. He needs a stellar supporting cast and a line that gives him all day otherwise his throws get real bad. He is not a day one starter he is a QB to stash behind a franchise worthy QB for a few seasons and hope he cleans his game up IMO. I wouldn't touch him till late 1st round early 2nd.

 

Edited March 14, 2018 by xRUSHx

[RyanC883]

4 minutes ago, the skycap said:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763953-simms-spotlight-lamar-jackson-is-no1-qb-in-2018-draft

 

 

Big Ben had a 69.1 completion percentage his Jr. year (before the draft); Allen has 56%.  

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

He played on a terrible team. Put him with talent and he will shine. Also give him some protection. 

 

Why was he on a terrible team?  Not highly scouted?  A franchise QB makes the team around him better.  If he needs a "great team," then he needs to be drafted by a team that has better WR's than us.  In fact, the Steelers should trade up and make him Ben's backup.  

1 minute ago, xRUSHx said:

There’s no questioning his physical potential, but the reality is that Allen was just never a stellar quarterback at Wyoming in the first place. He needs a stellar supporting cast and a line that gives him all day otherwise his throws get real bad. He is not a day one starter he is a QB to stash behind a franchise worthy QB for a few seasons and hope he cleans his game up IMO.

 

 

exactly.   He could be a star, someday, but he cannot start day 1.  We need a guy who can.  Only two really fit that bill: Rosen and Mayfield.  

 

Wouldn't surprise me if Indy perhaps grabbed him.  

[17 Josh Allen]

He will be a Buffalo Bill so you better get used to it. 

[metzelaars_lives]

53 minutes ago, Yeezus said:

Can't think of many others that are projected this high in the draft with the skillset he has. 

 

he is literally being hyped solely based on his physical attributes. Height, weight, big hands. All factors that are virtually irrelevant when it comes to QB's translating into the NFL. 

 

Yet GM's are putting this guy infront of actual talents like Mayfield, Rosen, and Jackson, guys who have shown they have far more talent than Allen, but lack the physical size. It's a joke. 

 

Josh Allen has the skill set of a 5th round QB, the fact that he is being compared to Wentz is hysterical. He is one of the most inaccurate QB's in the ENTIRE DRAFT.  I can't even imagine wasting all of our hard work to take a guy who is a glorified JP Loseman. Lets throw away real skills like reading defenses, accuracy, footwork, QB vision. Allen is not good at any of these things, but he has 10 inch hands so let's put the franchise on his back. 

 

Every year there is always 1 team who gets suckered into these type of QB's, drafts them far too high, and wonders why they are looking for another QB in 2-3 years bc the guy they drafted has thrown more picks than TD's and still can't read an NFL defense. Please don't let the Bills become this team. 

As someone who has watched or attended every one of Allen's games as a college QB, I'm super impressed that you have a better idea as to how Josh Allen will be as a pro QB than myself, NFL scouts, analysts, coaches, etc.  You have a real talent.  And I'm only being half sarcastic; I'm not saying he's the be-all-end-all or that he's even the first QB on my board but the degree of certainty in your post is astonishing.

[KDIGGZ]

The guy is a legit talent but he needs to sit and learn behind a QB that knows what they are doing. He would have been great in NY behind Eli for 2 yrs. If he goes to the Bills who is he going to learn from? McCaron? He will beat him out and then get thrown in too early and flame out. Who do we even have as a QB coach? We are putting all of these resources into selecting a young QB but then what are we going to do to make sure they are successful?

[metzelaars_lives]

10 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Big Ben had a 69.1 completion percentage his Jr. year (before the draft); Allen has 56%.  

 

Why was he on a terrible team?  Not highly scouted?  A franchise QB makes the team around him better.  If he needs a "great team," then he needs to be drafted by a team that has better WR's than us.  In fact, the Steelers should trade up and make him Ben's backup.  

 

exactly.   He could be a star, someday, but he cannot start day 1.  We need a guy who can.  Only two really fit that bill: Rosen and Mayfield.  

 

Wouldn't surprise me if Indy perhaps grabbed him.  

Uggghh this is exhausting.  You realize he was really good his sophomore year, which was his first year as a college QB and was named first team MWC QB and was the MWC preseason player of the year going into this year, right?  For Christ's sake, people act like he sucked in college.  He was the best player on the football field almost every game he played in.  And yes, he lost everyone going into this past season and was playing with unheralded freshmen at every last skill position.  I could go on but it doesn't seem to matter.  I can't wait for this to be over.  

Edited March 14, 2018 by metzelaars_lives

[Buffalo Ballin]

I agree with OP.  Josh Allen is EJ Manuel 2.0.

[BillsFan4]

If you're scouting Allen off his highlight reel (which it seems like many people do this time of year), he looks amazing. 

 

But when you watch him play entire games, not so much... 

 

 

He may have the highest ceiling of any QB in this draft, but I think it'll take a perfect scenario, and maybe a bit of luck, for him to reach it.

 

If yoire trading up for a QB it's already a huge risk. No reason to make that risk even higher by going with such a total boom or bust QB prospect. 

 

Plus, Accuracy issues can be pretty hard to fix.

The only one I can think of that has ever succeeded in the NFL with a 56% completion percentage is Matt Stafford. But when you look at his career lege career, Stafford had a 55% comp. his first 2 years in college, but then he improved that to 61% in his final college season. So he wasn't entering the draft after throwing for 56% comp. He had already shown the ability to be more accurate over a full college season. He had steadily improved over his 3 years in college, too. 

 

 

Ill get excited about and support whatever QB the Bills take. But I'd prefer someone other than Allen. But I'm not expert, so I'll defer to their judgement. It would be quite a swing for the fences drafting Allen though. If he hit his ceiling, we'd be set for a decade +. 

 

 

Edited March 14, 2018 by BillsFan4

[metzelaars_lives]

44 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Looks great in shorts just like Trent Edwards

He looks so much better in shorts than Trent Edwards.  And was Trent Edwards the darling of the Senior Bowl and the combine?  

[buffalover4life]

I will only be good with 3 QBs in this draft at this point, Mayfield, Rosen or Darnold because they are home run, slam dunk Franchise QBs and we have everything we need to go get one.

 

Allen and Lamar Jackson are in a different category of tremendous, generational talent upside players but their floors are out of the league in 5 years(or a WR for another team). And of the two i would prefer Lamar Jackson

 

In beane I trust

[Buffalo Ballin]

2 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said:

He looks so much better in shorts than Trent Edwards.  And was Trent Edwards the darling of the Senior Bowl and the combine?  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

No one has more talent than Allen but he did not play well and hope we do not draft him.

 

 

[BBillsWestCoast]

I have not been high on Allen, but he was solid in front of the entire NFL and fan base at the combine. I am not sure how smart he is, but he has a chance to do quite well. I still rank the QBs Darnold, Rosen, Allen, then little Mayfield. I think the NFL is producing QBs at a faster rate with the pass friendly league. If Allen has the right coaching staff he can be successful. If he had Mayfield's will to win I would take him #1. If Mayfield could shop in the adult section I would choose him #1.

[Estro]

I agree.  I've watched every throw from 4-5 of his college games and I don't like Allen as a prospect at all.

 

Does he have a strong arm?  Yes.

 

Does he have the accuracy or pocket presence neccesary to play at a high level in the NFL?  Not even close.

 

I will be incredibly disappointed if this is the guy the Bills bet their future on.  After loving Mahomes as a prospect...to pass on him for someone as weak as Allen would be a total let down.  

 

Darnold.  Let's hope he's the target.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Yeezus said:

Can't think of many others that are projected this high in the draft with the skillset he has. 

 

he is literally being hyped solely based on his physical attributes. Height, weight, big hands. All factors that are virtually irrelevant when it comes to QB's translating into the NFL. 

 

Yet GM's are putting this guy infront of actual talents like Mayfield, Rosen, and Jackson, guys who have shown they have far more talent than Allen, but lack the physical size. It's a joke. 

 

Josh Allen has the skill set of a 5th round QB, the fact that he is being compared to Wentz is hysterical. He is one of the most inaccurate QB's in the ENTIRE DRAFT.  I can't even imagine wasting all of our hard work to take a guy who is a glorified JP Loseman. Lets throw away real skills like reading defenses, accuracy, footwork, QB vision. Allen is not good at any of these things, but he has 10 inch hands so let's put the franchise on his back. 

 

Every year there is always 1 team who gets suckered into these type of QB's, drafts them far too high, and wonders why they are looking for another QB in 2-3 years bc the guy they drafted has thrown more picks than TD's and still can't read an NFL defense. Please don't let the Bills become this team. 

 

 

There are a lot of questions about him. I personally don't want him. 

 

But having said that, when you say, "he is literally being hyped solely based on his physical attributes," you're wildly exaggerating. Yeah, that's the first thing people talk about. But he has more than that going. If he didn't he wouldn't be being considered the way he is.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

1 hour ago, Yeezus said:

Can't think of many others that are projected this high in the draft with the skillset he has. 

 

he is literally being hyped solely based on his physical attributes. Height, weight, big hands. All factors that are virtually irrelevant when it comes to QB's translating into the NFL. 

 

Yet GM's are putting this guy infront of actual talents like Mayfield, Rosen, and Jackson, guys who have shown they have far more talent than Allen, but lack the physical size. It's a joke. 

 

Josh Allen has the skill set of a 5th round QB, the fact that he is being compared to Wentz is hysterical. He is one of the most inaccurate QB's in the ENTIRE DRAFT.  I can't even imagine wasting all of our hard work to take a guy who is a glorified JP Loseman. Lets throw away real skills like reading defenses, accuracy, footwork, QB vision. Allen is not good at any of these things, but he has 10 inch hands so let's put the franchise on his back. 

 

Every year there is always 1 team who gets suckered into these type of QB's, drafts them far too high, and wonders why they are looking for another QB in 2-3 years bc the guy they drafted has thrown more picks than TD's and still can't read an NFL defense. Please don't let the Bills become this team. 

 

It's easy to blast Josh Allen for not putting up huge totals but as i stated before in a few other Josh Allen threads, some might look at his totals as a miracle that he was even able to produce those numbers with the talentless team he had around him, someone will need to check for sure but I read in an article about Allen that he will not have 1 offensive teammate drafted, not 1, no OL/TE or WR. again someone will have to check for sure but if that's the case he was pretty darn good. You could see flashes of greatness at the Senior Bowl with throwing to guys who actually know how to catch the football, he made several very accurate "NFL" types of throws.

[Thurman#1]

53 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Big Ben had a 69.1 completion percentage his Jr. year (before the draft); Allen has 56%.  

 

Why was he on a terrible team?  Not highly scouted?  A franchise QB makes the team around him better.  If he needs a "great team," then he needs to be drafted by a team that has better WR's than us.  In fact, the Steelers should trade up and make him Ben's backup.  

 

exactly.   He could be a star, someday, but he cannot start day 1.  We need a guy who can.  Only two really fit that bill: Rosen and Mayfield.  

 

Wouldn't surprise me if Indy perhaps grabbed him.  

 

 

 

Nobody should start Rosen or Mayfield either. All of this group would do well to sit and learn for probably a year.

 

What a QB does in his first year should have little to do with the decision of whether to draft him. You draft a guy based on the kind of career you think he might have.

 

I'm not an Allen fan, but I figure Beane knows more than me. And I hope that if they pick Rosen or Mayfield, both of whom I like, that they start them on the bench till their heads stop spinning.

Edited March 14, 2018 by Thurman#1

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

1 hour ago, xRUSHx said:

If they move up just to draft him the scouts should be fired before the season even starts. Got to be blind to think Allen will do anything in this league in the 1st 2 years if ever.

Which of the Wyoming games really caught your attention that he was going to be a bust ?????

1 hour ago, xRUSHx said:

Looks great in shorts just like Trent Edwards

Weak, very weak sorry

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

You are spot on.  He has terrible accuracy at WYOMING.  He has played terribly against Power 5 teams.  And anytime someone says, "His big arm would be great in Buffalo" I want to throw something.  You know who else has strong arms: Mayfield (gets windy in Oklahoma), Rosen, L. Jackson, and Darnold.  Take one of them.  I'd take L. Falk or Mike White over J. Allen. 

I like Mike White as well but the comments is ridiculous. Falk is a scrub who was getting benched off and on because he couldn't get to the second read. AND WSU usually had only two, sometimes three reads. Better think that one over. Allen needs three things. 1. Time to develop 2. A skilled QB coach who can correct his FOOTWORK  (ergo the inaccuracy at times) and 3. Getting rid of the ball sooner and not trusting his bazooka to make the play. Those won't work in the pros.  Just my opinion but I agree with almost everything I said !!!!

54 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

There are a lot of questions about him. I personally don't want him. 

 

But having said that, when you say, "he is literally being hyped solely based on his physical attributes," you're wildly exaggerating. Yeah, that's the first thing people talk about. But he has more than that going. If he didn't he wouldn't be being considered the way he is.

Exaggeration is the weapon of those unable to complete a deep argument. Personal attacks also can also be a sword in the arsenal for many. I don't know if will be make it. But the arguments against him by many.... not all, are people who are just reading the reports of others. Read enough negative and pretty soon it's assumed that it's fact. He looks more like a young Roethlisberger in the highlight reel. We'll see how it translates. I really don't LOVE any of these QB's but they are all going in the Top 40 picks in my estimation. 

Edited March 14, 2018 by MOVALLEYRANDY

[greeneblitz]

I think Josh Allen is way better than the OP makes him out to be but he is probably the biggest boom or bust of the QBs, potential to be the best QB in this draft even best QB in the NFL or a big time bust.

[transplantbillsfan]

Holy crap... are there posters seriously arguing Allen's going to be the best in this draft class?!

54 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Nobody should start Rosen or Mayfield either. All of this group would do well to sit and learn for probably a year.

 

What a QB does in his first year should have little to do with the decision of whether to draft him. You draft a guy based on the kind of career you think he might have.

 

I'm not an Allen fan, but I figure Beane knows more than me. And I hope that if they pick Rosen or Mayfield, both of whom I like, that they start them on the bench till their heads stop spinning.

 

Ummm.... have you watched the NFL lately?

 

Rookie QBs play and take fire in year 1. The best way for a QB to learn the game is on field experience with the bullets firing. Countless QBs have said this. And NFL rules are so QB friendly nowadays you can easily afford to do so if your team isn't in complete shambles and it's not a "project QB;" like Allen, who should sit if we draft him.

[Pbomb]

2 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Did you even watch the senior bowl. If you did that’s not what I saw or the scouts saw. you have no idea what your talking about. 

Ya didnt he start off a little slow but ended up doing really good? Didnt watch it myself

[KD in CA]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

 

I guess that means we should take Allen. I was on the fence before.

 

Now all we need is Buffalo Barbarian to give him a thumbs down and we'll know Allen is the guy.

[Klaista2k]

After watching film on Allen I was more impressed with him than I thought I'd be. 

[gr8billsfan]

Just wait and see what happens in a few years down the road.  Does he have the size? yes. Is he inaccurate? yes. Can he read defenses? Sometimes. Can he get better exponentially? yes.

Could he be a bust? Yeah. 

 

Too many questions, speculations, and "ifs".  Would I want the bills to take him top 4? No.

[bmur66]

Somebody will definitely grab him early in the 1st round just because of his potential. Probably a team with an aging starter that doesn't have an immediate need at QB.

[Pirate Angel]

My concern with Allen is that he seems to lock on to a single reciever and uses his athleticism to get that one receiver open instead of.gping through progressions. he may become.a very good qb who knows but most likely it will take time and the bills fan base may run him out of town to soon 

 

[Zebrastripes]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

It's easy to blast Josh Allen for not putting up huge totals but as i stated before in a few other Josh Allen threads, some might look at his totals as a miracle that he was even able to produce those numbers with the talentless team he had around him, someone will need to check for sure but I read in an article about Allen that he will not have 1 offensive teammate drafted, not 1, no OL/TE or WR. again someone will have to check for sure but if that's the case he was pretty darn good. You could see flashes of greatness at the Senior Bowl with throwing to guys who actually know how to catch the football, he made several very accurate "NFL" types of throws.

Last year a running back and center were drafted from his team.  Carson Wentz only had 2 tackles drafted from his team's in his entire college career and Wentz completion percentage was way better.  The big thing with Josh Allen is accuracy rarely improves and the next level and he has accuracy issues.

[Niagara Dude]

7 hours ago, Yeezus said:

Can't think of many others that are projected this high in the draft with the skillset he has. 

 

he is literally being hyped solely based on his physical attributes. Height, weight, big hands. All factors that are virtually irrelevant when it comes to QB's translating into the NFL. 

 

Yet GM's are putting this guy infront of actual talents like Mayfield, Rosen, and Jackson, guys who have shown they have far more talent than Allen, but lack the physical size. It's a joke. 

 

Josh Allen has the skill set of a 5th round QB, the fact that he is being compared to Wentz is hysterical. He is one of the most inaccurate QB's in the ENTIRE DRAFT.  I can't even imagine wasting all of our hard work to take a guy who is a glorified JP Loseman. Lets throw away real skills like reading defenses, accuracy, footwork, QB vision. Allen is not good at any of these things, but he has 10 inch hands so let's put the franchise on his back. 

 

Every year there is always 1 team who gets suckered into these type of QB's, drafts them far too high, and wonders why they are looking for another QB in 2-3 years bc the guy they drafted has thrown more picks than TD's and still can't read an NFL defense. Please don't let the Bills become this team. 

Much better then Mayfield by a country mile,  Mayfield is bust to happen

[DCOrange]

6 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

If we draft him I'll want him to succeed, but this great QB threw a whopping ZERO TD's against Power 5 teams last year.  Mike White will be a better NFL QB.  

 

To be fair, that’s the same number that Josh Rosen had against top 30 defenses this year and nobody seems upset about the idea of drafting him. Allen has plenty of holes in his game right now, but the deck was also stacked so far against him in those games. Nobody could reasonably expect him to produce.

 

And he also had at least one easy TD against Iowa that was dropped, not that 1 TD is much better. But I guess it’s easier to be dramatic since his WR couldn’t catch it and he therefore ended up with 0.

 

Edit: for what it’s worth, I have Allen rated as my #3 QB prospect in this draft, but I personally don’t like the idea of trading up for him. While I think the potential reward is worthy of a top 10 pick, I wouldn’t feel good trading so many assets to take such a risky prospect there. I think it’s going to be him or Darnold in Buffalo though. 

Edited March 14, 2018 by DCOrange

[Mickey]

6 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

you do know that Jim Kelly career completion percentage for his entire career is 60.1, he’s in the Hall of Fame. This kid has John Elway arm and mobility. Did you even watch the video I posted. 

 

 

...and Jimbo's college % was even worse, 55.6. Not a big fan of taking Allen at all because I am prone to mini-seizures whenever I see a Bills QB throw a pass 10 yards over the head of a wide open receiver. I just can't risk going through that again, however, Allen's arm is insane and he threw threw ball way better than any of the others at the combine. If we do take him, I won't be a happy but I'll trust the Mac and the Bean and roll with it.

[White Linen]

7 hours ago, Yeezus said:

 

yup. did you see him at the senior bowl? He looked like the event was too big for him.

 

but he can throw bombs in shorts, thats what we should look at. this board has become delusional. 

 

GM's should only concentrate on QB's from major colleges that throw bombs in games.  You know, to wide open receivers streaking down the sideline with no defender in sight.  That happens all the time in the NFL.  

[drf1835]

7 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

well you nay sayers better get ready because he will be the next Bills qb 

 

I’m all in on Allen. Seriously. Let’s go for it. He has no oversized ego. He does not get into trouble. He seems like a leader. He is smart. He is not injury prone. He has the strength to slice footballs through the howling winds. He does not look like a surfer, bird or leprechaun. He will not run at the first sight of panic.  His accuracy will improve as his footwork and supporting cast  improves. At least he is not afraid to take risks, and he is not the game manager type, like Tyrod, Edwards, free agent qbs, etc... Enough of that horse bleep.. That stuff is for losers.

[Teddy KGB]

Can’t draft a project qb after all the bridges signed elsewhere.   

 

Hard pass. 

[Tyrod's friend]

8 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

 

Your joking right Mr.check down please that’s like comparing Jim Kelly to Doug flute. Mr Allen has most air yards completions of any QB in this draft. it’s not even close. 

how is that important? the stat, I mean. Not to get on you here, or anything.

I'm a big Mason Rudolph guy. I watched a Waldman flick about him questioning his "internal processing film" - and it got me to questioning. NFL QB isn't about the 70 yard bomb. You throw that pass twice, MAYBE, three times a game. It's deciding and delivering quickly the 20-25 yard pass, which happens 25 to 30 times a game. 

It's like the 40 yard. The single two most important times are the 10 yard and 20 yard splits. Football isn't played by long distances.

 

Edited March 14, 2018 by Tyrod's friend

[FeelingOnYouboty]

He is an awful QB. I can't believe someone is going to get sucked into it because of his size/arm/mobility. He can't make routine passes to the flat.

[CountryCletus]

8 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

You are wrong. that’s not correct at all 

Not that you need me to confirm this, but I am with you on this.  I distinctly recall Sirius NFL Radio covering the senior bowl practices and raving about his strength, anticipation and ball placement....

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3000000911418/Top-5-D-J-Chark-plays-Reese-s-Senior-Bowl

[Cripple Creek]

8 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

 

In 2016, Yeezus (the OP) stated this same thing about Wentz and Goff lol.  Said the bills would be a joke to move up and take either of them and neither are worth a top 5 pick.  A solid quote "The bills do not need to be trading their future to pick top 3 in this draft. NO QB in this draft is worth a top 5 pick. They are all projects and hyped up b/c the QB class is mediocre at best. There is no Winston or Mariota in this draft." and 

 

 

See: 

 

 

 

It seems you do this every year haha

So you’re saying we can expect a couple more of these gems?

[CountryCletus]

8 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Yes.

I wouldn’t touch him before the 3rd.

Unfortunately WB’s are now drafted like 1 and done college basketball players... based on potential rather than what they’ve already accomplished...

8 hours ago, buffalover4life said:

I will only be good with 3 QBs in this draft at this point, Mayfield, Rosen or Darnold because they are home run, slam dunk Franchise QBs and we have everything we need to go get one.

 

Allen and Lamar Jackson are in a different category of tremendous, generational talent upside players but their floors are out of the league in 5 years(or a WR for another team). And of the two i would prefer Lamar Jackson

 

In beane I trust

I’m glad you aren’t the Bills talent evaluator.... I certainly don’t want another 6’0” QB... I would be happy with Rosen or Allen... Darnold doesn’t pass the eye test to me... lots of turnovers, poor ball security and his elongated throwing motion is the worst I have seen from a consensus top 10 pick in forever

[CSBill]

9 hours ago, Yeezus said:

Can't think of many others that are projected this high in the draft with the skillset he has. 

 

he is literally being hyped solely based on his physical attributes. Height, weight, big hands. All factors that are virtually irrelevant when it comes to QB's translating into the NFL. 

 

Yet GM's are putting this guy infront of actual talents like Mayfield, Rosen, and Jackson, guys who have shown they have far more talent than Allen, but lack the physical size. It's a joke. 

 

Josh Allen has the skill set of a 5th round QB, the fact that he is being compared to Wentz is hysterical. He is one of the most inaccurate QB's in the ENTIRE DRAFT.  I can't even imagine wasting all of our hard work to take a guy who is a glorified JP Loseman. Lets throw away real skills like reading defenses, accuracy, footwork, QB vision. Allen is not good at any of these things, but he has 10 inch hands so let's put the franchise on his back. 

 

Every year there is always 1 team who gets suckered into these type of QB's, drafts them far too high, and wonders why they are looking for another QB in 2-3 years bc the guy they drafted has thrown more picks than TD's and still can't read an NFL defense. Please don't let the Bills become this team. 

 

Stop . . . there is a reason those people work in the NFL and we don't.