Why is Baker Mayfield getting the least amount of buzz?

[CajunBillsBacker]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I want him... bad.

 

No one else?

 

I go through 3 pages on the Stadium Wall expecting some thread title indicating people are talking about how much they want Mayfield.

 

Nothing.

 

Even the national narrative is somehow focusing most of its discussion at the Combine on Rosen's question marks, Jackson's up and down performance, and Allen's stellar performance.

 

But very little discussion about Baker Mayfield's stock going up. 

 

I was listening to the Cowturd show this morning and he had a guest on who said he spoke with a couple NFL GMs after the weekend and one told him that Mayfield just absolutely blew him away in the interview portion. 

 

Plus, maybe behind Allen, Mayfield looked the best in passing drills at the Combine.

 

Yet, very little talk about him.

 

Why?

 

Is the issue with him more his height or his immaturity?

 

If it's his height, measuring in at 6' 5/8" seems just fine.  He seems to have great pocket awareness, anyway and is able to find throwing lanes.

 

If it's his maturity, I actually love his attitude.  He's made mistakes, but the guy just comes off as the perfect leader of a team as long as you've got some veterans on the team and a good coach to help guide him.

 

 

I'll be happy if we get Rosen or Darnold or Jackson.  Stay the hell away from Allen.

 

But can we please please please just go up and get Mayfield!

I had a dream last night about Baker Mayfield in a Bills uniform. Creepy I know, but he looked damn good in a Bills white jersey/blue pants combo.

I think I’m going to move him up to my top choice soon, if not, at least dead even with Rosen.

Living here in New Orleans, we get Drew Brees shoved down our throats constantly. The more highlights I watch and listen to him speak, the more I see of Drew Brees in him, and less of Manziel.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Now that you mention it...the Mayfield hype machine is coming up rather short.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

 

That was last year.. Feburary 2017. Disorderly conduct,  public intoxication. That was every single Friday and Saturday night for me when I was his age.

 

if the cops came you bet we ran.

Scattered like cockroaches.   

 

Durand Eastman Park - beach access through a tunnel under the unused RR track bridge.   

 

2 to 4 cops walk down the cause way 100 people go scrambling up the hillside 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Doing dumbshit and getting arrested are somewhat different.    

 

I did a lot of things in the 70', 80's and 90's and never got arrested.  

 

You were probably lucky, then.

 

Do you think that all people who get arrested are bad people?  Especially college kids when it comes to alcohol?

 

He was drunk, evidently being yelled at by someone and in the middle of a fight and then confronted by a cop... bad combination.  By the sounds of it, unlike Johnny Football, he's not a big worry in terms of being addicted.

 

I think the guy just has a massive chip on his shoulder. 

 

[rodneykm]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I remember the 2012 draft and wanting Russell Wilson in the 1st rd. He only dropped because of his height, if you watched him play you knew he was going to be a good QB. I remember being at a Mustangs game watching Jimmy G and just being blown away. Derek Carr is another QB that I wanted in the 1st rd, I would say that all 3 of the QB's that I mentioned are better than any of the QB's in this draft. I would say there is a very good chance Mayfield, Allen and Rudolph could be there when we pick at 21.

 

I hope you're right about Baker...and we don't mess up like we did last year with missing out on Watson. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, DallasMac said:

Rudolph I see but I don't think there is any chance that Allen and Mayfield are there.  

I'd take Mayfield earlier than 21, but as I've said old stereotypes die hard in the NFL.  I hate to parallel with Johnny Manziel because there have been many comparisons between him and Mayfield. I think these are mostly lazy ; they really are two different guys . The height issue is a real one. The only QB under 6' 1" drafted in the first round since at least 2000 is Manziel. I'm not so sure that Mayfield doesn't fall out of the top 15. 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

 

That was last year.. Feburary 2017. Disorderly conduct,  public intoxication. That was every single Friday and Saturday night for me when I was his age.

 

if the cops came you bet we ran.

 

Yep.

 

College was fun 

[DallasMac]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

I'd take Mayfield earlier than 21, but as I've said old stereotypes die hard in the NFL.  I hate to parallel with Johnny Manziel because there have been many comparisons between him and Mayfield. I think these are mostly lazy ; they really are two different guys . The height issue is a real one. The only QB under 6' 1" drafted in the first round since at least 2000 is Manziel. I'm not so sure that Mayfield doesn't fall out of the top 15. 

I've said in other threads that I feel he gets happy feet in the pocket.  Not sure if it's height related or just pocket awareness.  But he's shown enough that he's going to be picked in the top 10.  IMO

[transplantbillsfan]

56 minutes ago, CajunBillsBacker said:

I had a dream last night about Baker Mayfield in a Bills uniform. Creepy I know, but he looked damn good in a Bills white jersey/blue pants combo.

I think I’m going to move him up to my top choice soon, if not, at least dead even with Rosen.

Living here in New Orleans, we get Drew Brees shoved down our throats constantly. The more highlights I watch and listen to him speak, the more I see of Drew Brees in him, and less of Manziel.

 

Yes.

 

Mayfield looks like he has a similar type of pocket awareness and ability to find passing lanes to Brees.  Mayfield is 6' 5/8".  I don't know how accurate Brees's listed 6'0" is, but the guys just seems like a winner and a leader of men. 

[NickelCity]

I actually think Mayfield is very much in the mix to go #1. I hope he doesn't. I'm close to bumping him above Rosen if I'm being honest. I'm a huge fan of his, and I didn't think I would be when I first started hearing his name kicked around. 

[Rico]

Because if I’m going to trade up for a QB and they both pan out, I’d rather have the next Marino than the next Russell Wilson. Nothing against Mayfield, it just is what it is.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, NickelCity said:

I actually think Mayfield is very much in the mix to go #1. I hope he doesn't. I'm close to bumping him above Rosen if I'm being honest. I'm a huge fan of his, and I didn't think I would be when I first started hearing his name kicked around. 

I think if he was 3 inches taller he's the first or second pick, and it's probably not close.

[Logic]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I want him... bad.

 

No one else?

 

I go through 3 pages on the Stadium Wall expecting some thread title indicating people are talking about how much they want Mayfield.

 

Nothing.

 

Even the national narrative is somehow focusing most of its discussion at the Combine on Rosen's question marks, Jackson's up and down performance, and Allen's stellar performance.

 

But very little discussion about Baker Mayfield's stock going up. 

 

I was listening to the Cowturd show this morning and he had a guest on who said he spoke with a couple NFL GMs after the weekend and one told him that Mayfield just absolutely blew him away in the interview portion. 

 

Plus, maybe behind Allen, Mayfield looked the best in passing drills at the Combine.

 

Yet, very little talk about him.

 

Why?

 

Is the issue with him more his height or his immaturity?

 

If it's his height, measuring in at 6' 5/8" seems just fine.  He seems to have great pocket awareness, anyway and is able to find throwing lanes.

 

If it's his maturity, I actually love his attitude.  He's made mistakes, but the guy just comes off as the perfect leader of a team as long as you've got some veterans on the team and a good coach to help guide him.

 

 

I'll be happy if we get Rosen or Darnold or Jackson.  Stay the hell away from Allen.

 

But can we please please please just go up and get Mayfield!

I've said this on these forums many times before, but...

I really, REALLY want the Bills to draft Baker Mayfield. If he was 2 inches taller, he'd be the consensus top pick in the draft. In my opinion, he will be the best quarterback of this class and has Hall of Fame potential. 

He will give the Bills an identity and swagger that they have been lacking for 22 years. He is the consummate "earned everything he ever got" underdog, and he's PERFECT for this city and this team.

I only hope McDermott and Beane see it the way I do. Teams are really going to be kicking themselves for passing on this kid.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Can you imagine what the stories would have been like about the early 90's Bills players had social media been around back then? College kids do dumb sh*t all the time, especially when alcohol is involved. Hell, I did a bunch of dumb sh*t without alcohol involved or a college campus for that matter. He'll be fine. 

The 90’s was a different era. Social media allows these transgressions to become a distraction. The majority of today’s franchise QB’s are higher character guys who don’t have a rap sheet from their college days. Can anyone imagine Carson Wentz or Drew Brees getting in big trouble? 

 

I also don’t find it comparable to those of us who had character concerns in college, or as a younger person in general. The majority of us transitioned into adulthood by working a 9-5 job. We weren’t given multi million dollar contracts, and semi celebrity status that gave us access to everything we want. Transitioning from college to the workforce can be a humbling experience. Becoming a highly touted NFL draft choice does nothing to bring humility to braggadocious guys like Mayfield. I’d prefer to invest the future of my franchise in the hands of the countless others who don’t have these concerns. 

Edited March 5, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5

[Coach Tuesday]

Mayfield is Drew Brees 2.0.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Mayfield is Drew Brees 2.0.

 

Maybe Drew Brees is Mayfield 1.0?

[Augie]

Part of me wishes he’d do just just one more stupid thing!    

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Some of what I've heard/read is that after this weekend the top 3 guys are Rosen, Darnold, and Allen who has propelled himself up into discussion as the top pick.

 

People are reacting to the hype and the Combine storylines.

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I have watched a lot of YouTube video of the top 8 QB's in this draft and watched some live college games on TV. The guy I think is a can't miss pick and has separated himself from everyone else is Baker Mayfield. I am now hoping the Bills try and get the 1st or 2nd pick to try and get Mayfield. I do think he could drop like Wilson because of height but any team that passes on him will be making a huge mistake. 

 

So in the past I have identified Wilson, Jimmy G and Derek Carr as the QB's that I most wanted from those draft classes. I am now making my all in push for Baker Mayfield, I don't go all in on QB's very often but when I have they have worked out. I watched Jimmy G in high school on the Mustangs and I watched a lot of his games at Eastern Illinois. He broke almost all of Tony Romo's passing records. To me it was a no brainer for the Bills to draft Jimmy G, I 100% knew he was going to be a great QB. This is the exact same feeling I have right now for Baker Mayfield. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Mayfield is Drew Brees 2.0.

 

That actually wouldn't be good news, since Brees was drafted in 2001 and it took until 2004 'til the lightbulb switched on.

In fact, San Diego was so impressed by Brees development they spent a 1st overall on QB in 2004

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

You were probably lucky, then.

 

Do you think that all people who get arrested are bad people?  Especially college kids when it comes to alcohol?

 

He was drunk, evidently being yelled at by someone and in the middle of a fight and then confronted by a cop... bad combination.  By the sounds of it, unlike Johnny Football, he's not a big worry in terms of being addicted.

 

I think the guy just has a massive chip on his shoulder. 

 

Look, you asked a question and I supplied you A possible reason.  

 

I did not pass judgment (here).  

 

I had in the past said that if he’s a Johnny Manziel clone then I wouldn’t want him.  

 

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

Because if I’m going to trade up for a QB and they both pan out, I’d rather have the next Marino than the next Russell Wilson. Nothing against Mayfield, it just is what it is.

^^This

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

^^This

We will be lucky to get the next Russel Wilson

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

We will be lucky to get the next Russel Wilson

I don't want the next Wilson...I want the first Darnold or Rosen.

 

Again another one of the common things Bean has said since July 2017 is:

 

"Obviously, you draw them up, from a physical standpoint, they look like Cam (Newton)," Beane said. "But how many are there like that? You want a guy, the stature, the height, you know, they're standing over, they're not worried about linemen in their face. It gives them the vision and all that." 

[nickrage]

3 hours ago, teef said:

i've heard he's riddled with herpes.  

Baker Mexico

[MrEpsYtown]

Mayfield is a gamer for sure. I just don't think coaches and GMs can convince themselves he is the guy. I think if you are going to be small you have to have some qualities that make you super special. Wilson is really athletic with huge hands, and absolutely no red flags. He went in the third. Drew Brees was a special passer who scanned the entire field during his college career in an early spread system, but he was pinpoint accurate with the football also had plus 10 inch hands. Also squeaky clean and went in the second round.

 

I think we are  asking a lot of GMs to overlook everything about Mayfield and convince themselves that this is the guy they are going to hitch their careers to. Athletically, he is not super special. If you look at the  numbers, he tested similar to Brees. A small quarterback better be an unbelievable athlete, or a pinpoint precise passer. Even when they are, they still don't go in the first round. Add red flags and such and it just doesn't add up. I like Mayfield, but I do think its Rosen, Darnold, Allen, and honestly I might hitch my future to an elite athlete like Lamar before Mayfield. I actually think the Saints should draft him at the end of the first and groom him behind Brees. I doubt he lasts that long. 

[John from Riverside]

23 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I don't want the next Wilson...I want the first Darnold or Rosen.

 

Again another one of the common things Bean has said since July 2017 is:

 

"Obviously, you draw them up, from a physical standpoint, they look like Cam (Newton)," Beane said. "But how many are there like that? You want a guy, the stature, the height, you know, they're standing over, they're not worried about linemen in their face. It gives them the vision and all that." 

What if you cant have them?  (that is not meant to be snarky...just a reality that we are in competition and at a dissadvantage from where we are int he draft slotting)

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

What if you cant have them?  (that is not meant to be snarky...just a reality that we are in competition and at a dissadvantage from where we are int he draft slotting)

No worries John 

 

It comes down to how much we are willing to give up to get there and how we feel about them. You can't play the could've, would've, should've game and this would have been an excellent draft if we did indeed stay at 10 last year and draft a QB like Watson or Mahomes (my choice after Trubisky); but we didn't.

 

So, the question becomes do you go all in this year? Yes, well be prepared to pay. If you don't, now you have to look at next year and as of now next year's crop does not look good at all. Are you willing to piece meal this together until 2020 and hope there is someone there? I don't think you can since that QB will need a couple years to develop. The longer you wait, this keeps getting delayed. This has to be the year you make a move...

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I have watched a lot of YouTube video of the top 8 QB's in this draft and watched some live college games on TV. The guy I think is a can't miss pick and has separated himself from everyone else is Baker Mayfield. I am now hoping the Bills try and get the 1st or 2nd pick to try and get Mayfield. I do think he could drop like Wilson because of height but any team that passes on him will be making a huge mistake. 

 

So in the past I have identified Wilson, Jimmy G and Derek Carr as the QB's that I most wanted from those draft classes. I am now making my all in push for Baker Mayfield, I don't go all in on QB's very often but when I have they have worked out. I watched Jimmy G in high school on the Mustangs and I watched a lot of his games at Eastern Illinois. He broke almost all of Tony Romo's passing records. To me it was a no brainer for the Bills to draft Jimmy G, I 100% knew he was going to be a great QB. This is the exact same feeling I have right now for Baker Mayfield. 

 

Me too  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Buffalo Bills: Where the roster can be improved this offseason

Quarterback

 

 

 

Could we not expect a rookie quarterback to come in, complete 63 percent of his passes, throw for 2,800 yards, and toss 14 touchdowns? I believe at least four of the top six guys could do that at the top of this year’s draft.

 

With that being said, I think that is where the team should find their guy. Whether it is standing firm at 21 and 22, hoping someone like Lamar Jackson falls to them or my preferred option, trading up to get the guy they want in Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen, or Sam Darnold.

Edited March 5, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Real McClappy]

Rosen or Mayfield all day!!!

[transplantbillsfan]

57 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Rosen or Mayfield all day!!!

 

Something about Rosen just rubs me the wrong way, but I'll be happy if we get him.

 

I just feel like he has such an expansive injury history, though.  And I think Mayfield's attitude fits in with WNY much better than Rosen, who seems like a New York Giants type of QB.

[BringBackOrton]

It wouldn't have mattered if we took Watson.  Damn you, McD!

[The Jokeman]

Lack of ideal height and failures of Hiesman trophy winning QBs past. I don't want any part of him.

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Lack of ideal height and failures of Hiesman trophy winning QBs past. I don't want any part of him.

 

Seem like poor reasons.

 

Cam Newton was the last Heisman winning QB to come into the NFL, wasn't he? Or was it Mariota?

 

Regardless, both are doing just fine in the NFL, aren't they?

[Turk71]

10 hours ago, Augie said:

Part of me wishes he’d do just just one more stupid thing!    

I was thinking the same thing while reading this thread. Just stupid enough to fall far enough.

[Paulus]

13 hours ago, SoTier said:

Maybe he looked even shorter next to Allen, so the other teams lost interest in him and he'll slide to where the Bills have a realistic shot to trade up for him.  NFL guys really don't like short QBs which is why they all passed on Russell Wilson to chase after Brock Osweiler.  Mayfield seems to be a real gamer who will do whatever he needs to do to win ... and he seems to play clutch, too.  Big guys who can chuck the ball a mile when they're wearing shorts and/or red jerseys are a dime a dozen.  Potential NFL QBs, not nearly so plentiful.

 

Mayfield is the only one of this crop of QBs I'd trade up myself.

He ain't'no Russell Wilson. 

[Turk71]

Just to put Baker Mayfield college career into perspective. This is where he stands on the all time NCAA ranks in various statistics (from 1956 till now). Passer rating #2.     Yds/att #3.    Pass Yds #7.   Pass tds. #4 

Total tds. Rush and pass #2. The last 2 seasons his stats have been otherworldly.     https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/baker-mayfield-1.html.   It would be amazing if the Bills could get him. fwiw I read where a gm said that Mayfield football knowledge was 'off the charts' . He also said Rosen Darnold and Rudolph were good but Jackson and Allen were a long ways off as far as next level football knowledge.

 

Edited March 6, 2018 by Turk71

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Seem like poor reasons.

 

Cam Newton was the last Heisman winning QB to come into the NFL, wasn't he? Or was it Mariota?

 

Regardless, both are doing just fine in the NFL, aren't they?

He just feels like a bust to me, if I'm wrong so be it but rather not roll the dice on him.

[billsintaiwan]

Have there been any Josh Rosen - Rob Johnson comps? There should be.

 

Also some Mayfield-Flutie on steroids comps.

 

That is a compliment to Mayfield