ALF Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Davis had a base salary of $10M in 2017 , little more then Gaines is projected for 2018 by spotrac. Maybe a show me contract with incentives for Davis who will be 30 on May 27. Better then just letting Gaines walk if he is asking too much with injury history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Bad trade IMO. Watkins was primed for a huge year with Tyrod and without him the offense was pitifully out-of-balance all season. The WR pipeline looked great in 2014........there had to be more coming........right? Nope. The well dried up. The freak talents stopped coming. Which is why a WR with Watkins #'s as a late arrival in a new offense this year is even considered as a possibility to get a $16M franchise tag. The second round pick turned out to be pretty late......that's what happens when you make a team better by trading with them........and this draft is looking WEAK as !@#$ compared to some past years...........and now one of the Bills primary needs is a WR. Another thing that has to be considered in this trade is the cap. There is No way they were going to retain Watkins this year. Otherwise, I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: Watkins, in the one of the most high powered offenses last year, whilst staying healthy, got outplayed by Cooper Kupp. The guys is always primed for a good season, he never has them. People need to stop living off hope with Watkins. Learn to watch football. Watkins stretched the field for them and drew multiple players in coverage. He's the reason kupp and woods had so much free space. A player's impact on a game goes far beyond just the stat sheet (this goes both positively and negatively for many guys, such as tyrod holding the ball too long lowers his ints which looks good on paper but actually isn't that great during a game) Watkins helped that offense tremendously . Feel free to read this link below from a Rams' analyst, instead of a from the perspective of a Bills fan who probably didn't watch a single Rams game. https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/11/29/16712132/los-angeles-rams-nfl-sammy-watkins-tape-study-scouting-report He has another article that he's not sure the Rams offense scheme requires a true #1 wr, so they might still let Sammy walk, but that's not because of his talent (For the record, I am not upset we traded Sammy, as Gaines played great for us and we have another second round pick this year from it. To act like Sammy isn't an impact wr though is just wrong) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Learn to watch football. Watkins stretched the field for them and drew multiple players in coverage. He's the reason kupp and woods had so much free space. A player's impact on a game goes far beyond just the stat sheet (this goes both positively and negatively for many guys, such as tyrod holding the ball too long lowers his ints which looks good on paper but actually isn't that great during a game) Watkins helped that offense tremendously . Feel free to read this link below from a Rams' analyst, instead of a from the perspective of a Bills fan who probably didn't watch a single Rams game. https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/11/29/16712132/los-angeles-rams-nfl-sammy-watkins-tape-study-scouting-report He has another article that he's not sure the Rams offense scheme requires a true #1 wr, so they might still let Sammy walk, but that's not because of his talent (For the record, I am not upset we traded Sammy, as Gaines played great for us and we have another second round pick this year from it. To act like Sammy isn't an impact wr though is just wrong) Sammy was so important to the Rams they're letting him leave in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Beyond Gains missing games due to injury, take a look back and look at the Teams W/L record with him playing and not. They won more with him in the lineup and lost more with him out of the lineup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Jasovon said: Sammy was so important to the Rams they're letting him leave in FA. Do a little research and to why they might let him walk Their offense design might not require a #1 receiver (similar to how the pats have been for years) which I explained above. That doesn't mean that a receiver like Watkins doesn't impact their offense more than a lesser receiver would. Pats tossed moss when he was still putting up #s for him. The Rams might but feel that Watkins is worth the $$ he's going to command, in regards to their offensive scheme, and are going to franchise another player. A team letting a player walk doesn't mean he isn't good or that they don't want to keep him. We are probably letting Gaines walk, do you think he's not good? Cost of a factor. Teams let players walk all the time, does that mean that every FA that walks isn't good? Why would another team ever sign that player?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Do a little research and to why they might let him walk Their offense design might not require a #1 receiver (similar to how the pats have been for years) which I explained above. That doesn't mean that a receiver like Watkins doesn't impact their offense more than a lesser receiver would. Pats tossed moss when he was still putting up #s for him. The Rams might but feel that Watkins is worth the $$ he's going to command, in regards to their offensive scheme, and are going to franchise another player. A team letting a player walk doesn't mean he isn't good or that they don't want to keep him. We are probably letting Gaines walk, do you think he's not good? Cost of a factor. Teams let players walk all the time, does that mean that every FA that walks isn't good? Why would another team ever sign that player?! I said it elsewhere, and it's something that I haven't seen anyone (poster, media member, analyst, etc) mention... Sean McVay is doing with WRs what Steve Spagnuolo did with pass rushers; he's dressing 6 quality WRs and rotating them in bunches. And just like when OTs that had to play 70+ snaps per game couldn't hold up against Spag's pass rushers, CBs that have to play 70+ snaps per game can't keep up with McVay's WRs. As to Davis: smart signing that could be sneaky in terms of value. Now go get me Joe Hawley as a gameday interior backup and I'll be thrilled with the pre-UFA work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 The Cowboys should cut bait on Dez and sign Sammy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I assume that this means Gaines was asking for too much and the team decided Vontae was a better value at CB for the team. Hopefully this is at least a wash as to making the Bills a better team. I hope part of the strategy would be a mid-late round draft pick to pair with Tre for the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) I like the signing. It's not throwing the bank at him. If he can be 80% of his former self, that's a great #2 corner. If not, it was worth a shot. And it doesn't hurt to have a vet teach White a few more things. Edited February 27, 2018 by ProcessTheTrust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 11 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: i would hope so, but how do they play them ? what order?what scheme? Gaines and White as your 1 and 2. Davis as your 3. Depth behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, simpleman said: I assume that this means Gaines was asking for too much and the team decided Vontae was a better value at CB for the team. Hopefully this is at least a wash as to making the Bills a better team. I hope part of the strategy would be a mid-late round draft pick to pair with Tre for the future. Exactly my thoughts. Similar to the talk about Watkins. Letting a free agent walk doesn't mean you don't want them or that they aren't good. Sometimes they cost more than you'd like to spend/have available cap Sometimes they don't want to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chuck Wagon Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Hope we keep Gaines. Gaines and Davis are good injury insurance for each other, but if they are both healthy we'll be rolling out a very strong secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Hope we keep Gaines. Gaines and Davis are good injury insurance for each other, but if they are both healthy we'll be rolling out a very strong secondary. We need to spend the money on the front four. We need pass rushing bad, or McDermott's D is not going to work out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: We need to spend the money on the front four. We need pass rushing bad, or McDermott's D is not going to work out. Not to its fullest effect, no. The secondary performance was even better when you consider the lack of rush. We need to get more aggressive and more dominant up front in all 4 spots in my opinion. It's why for all the emotion put me down as one who doesn't believe Kyle Williams should be an every down starter if he chooses to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 12 hours ago, Bob&Doug said: ^^^^^ This..... it's his right to test the waters....maybe he stays, maybe he goes, but we will not be overpaying because of need. Good move by OBD Is this your original name? Or did you change? Don't know how to look anymore. Love Bob and Doug. 11 hours ago, Schmuggs said: It’s cool man. I know you’re learning, just trying to help. You've got a lot of braggadocio, don't ya fella? Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Forget Gaines. I think he priced himself out of the Bills' range. I'll be curious to see what he eventually gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, Doc said: Forget Gaines. I think he priced himself out of the Bills' range. I'll be curious to see what he eventually gets. Do we know this for sure? His asking price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) seems like a high character guy. We know he is a good a player. Great addition hope we sign EJ Gaines also. Edited February 27, 2018 by wppete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 So if Gaines leaves that’ll officially be the last nail in the coffin that was the Tale of Sammy. What a disaster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Gaines deserves credit. He had a very good year , playing with 3 other guys that Never played with each other. But Davis , if healthy has a very good shot of being an upgrade. Think about this - all 4 of our starting secondary are super ball Hawks as well. His ball hawk skills are not being talked about enough, on a secondary with 3 other Hawks, good luck to opposing QBs. More food for thought- The secondary balled out with one of the worse pass rushes in the game. Just imagine how much better they'd be with one , sheeshhhhh.. Just now, SoCal Deek said: So if Gaines leaves that’ll officially be the last nail in the coffin that was the Tale of Sammy. What a disaster! 2nd Rd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I like the signing. Don’t get me wrong. However, how much of an upgrade is Davis over Gaines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Jersey....exactly, a second round pick is all that’s left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Wow. He looks phenomenal. Quick , heady and I imagine will be a perfect fit in this scheme. That article just got me even more excited about his potential to excel with this secondary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Jersey....exactly, a second round pick is all that’s left. The pick was the main compensation in the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So if Gaines leaves that’ll officially be the last nail in the coffin that was the Tale of Sammy. What a disaster! No.. the second round pick this draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Did he buyout Poyer for the #21? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Jersey....exactly, a second round pick is all that’s left. You do know that Sammy is a FA, right? What is LA left with from that trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Did he buyout Poyer for the #21? Nah it’s just an edit that nfl.com did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The pick was the main compensation in the deal. Yea imo we won the trade hands down. This regime had no interest in keeping Sammy. LA likely doesn't tag him and Might make an offer to him but that 2nd was huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Wow. He looks phenomenal. Quick , heady and I imagine will be a perfect fit in this scheme. That article just got me even more excited about his potential to excel with this secondary. In his prime a few years back when the Colts first got him from Miami he was very, very good. Not sure we are quite getting that same player but he is a solid pickup, no question about it. Edited February 27, 2018 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, SWATeam said: You do know that Sammy is a FA, right? What is LA left with from that trade? Exactly! Lol Just now, GunnerBill said: In his prime a few years back when the Colts took him he was very, very good. Not sure we are quite getting that same player but he is a solid pickup, no question about it. Oh yeah he was elite as a Colt n Dolphin. The examples the article showed, it looked like he was playing fast and confident and has always been regarded as a film guy with high football i.q which is perfect for this secondary. Also he's a ball hawk. I'm loving this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 32 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Do we know this for sure? His asking price? Nope. Just my feeling. Seemed like the players were saying goodbyes to him a few weeks ago, and now this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: Nope. Just my feeling. Seemed like the players were saying goodbyes to him a few weeks ago, and now this. Interesting that last week during an interview on NFLN Trey White mentioned that the Bills had an open CB spot with him lobbying for his former LSU teammate Donte Jackson. May have been related to Gaines not coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Interesting that last week during an interview on NFLN Trey White mentioned that the Bills had an open CB spot with him lobbying for his former LSU teammate Donte Jackson. May have been related to Gaines not coming back. Yup. I'd be interested to know whether Gaines didn't want to come back, was asking too much, the Bills didn't want him back, etc. But we'll probably never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Mountain Man said: Watkins, in the one of the most high powered offenses last year, whilst staying healthy, got outplayed by Cooper Kupp. The guys is always primed for a good season, he never has them. People need to stop living off hope with Watkins. He never has them? He had two EXCELLENT seasons in 2014 and 2015. Nearly 80 yards per game in 2015. That's not good......that's elite production. Broke his foot and missed most of 2016 and got traded in preseason in 2017. I suspect he puts up a HUGE season in 2018. I wasn't one of those who projected crazy numbers for him in LA in 2017.........it was just too late in the process. See the ATROCIOUS seasons Matthews and KB after arriving late in Buffalo. Or the 150 yard season James Lofton had in 12 games with Jim Kelly in 1989 (and the 1800+ he put up the next two). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: The Cowboys should cut bait on Dez and sign Sammy. Wow Coach...that's a nigh-brilliant plan. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I wasn't one of those who projected crazy numbers for him in LA in 2017.........it was just too late in the process. Deonte Thompson with the Bills had about the same YPG as Sammy had with the Rams (31.9 to 39.5), despite being far less talented and showing up mid-season. He had 100 receiving yards in his first game off the plane from Chicago. That excuse doesn't work. Edited February 27, 2018 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Wow Coach...that's a nigh-brilliant plan. Seriously. Hey, i said that weeks ago! Where is my gold star Edited February 27, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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